Folks, it is time to squarely face the facts

[Parisle]

--- Paul Pillar is on the Diane Rehm show this morning. The former CIA analyst and whistleblower in the "manipulated intel" investigation is offering commentary on recent developments (Feith, etc) in that widening scandal,.. comments in no way helpful to the administration. What had once been a barely-articulated suspicion has turned into a flood, and now the floodgates are opened wide.

--- There are no longer sufficient grounds to warrant any further discussion. The pre-war intelligence WAS deliberately and dishonestly manipulated by the White House. The jury is no longer out. The party's over. It's a done deal. Lt. Columbo has just raised his hand and said, "Mr. President,.... I gotta tell ya,... I think you lied to the American people."

--- So,... where does that leave us? In the words of Josey Wales,.. "Are you gonna pull those pistols, or whistle Dixie?" This is, without any doubt, the most toweringly egregious case of executive criminal malfeasance in American history.

[ShortnFiery]

1. And when the third carrier group is set up, The Unitary Executive is

going to bomb the hell out of Iran without batting an eye. Bank on it! :grr: :nuke:

What can us "little people" do when the Pentagon controls the message of the M$M?

[Parisle]

3. What can "us little people" do?

--- I'm working on it.

[Jackpine Radical]

2. It does at last seem to be making it into public view.

I have for some time felt that the people who really run things have decided to cut their losses & pull the curtain on Bushco. It now seems to be a contest between Bushco & the guys trying to hook them off the stage. The White House has essentially dropped all pretense of democracy; as Cheney said, public opinion "isn't going to stop us." They're going to pull out all the stops & go for it all while they're still in power. Captain Queeg is at the helm, and it's gonna be a helluva ride, all the way into a concrete abutment somewhere not far down the road.

[ShortnFiery]

4. Let me know when matey Dunken Hunter abandons the Bush-Co. Warship?

Because when Duncan Hunter jumps ship, we've fully passed through The Gates of Hell.

Yo ho Yo ho ...
It's for BASIC survival
Yippee! :eyes:

[havocmom]

5. When does that last carrier group get to station?

They will need a trigger event. Lots of provocation, but so far, Iran not snapping at the bait. Makes me worry what the MIHOP will be. Is one of those carriers old? Isn't there big bucks in building new carriers?

Doesn't bush look like a man who is trying very hard to impress his superiors that he should keep his job these days? The guy is in a panic and since he cares only about himself, he must feel personally threatened. Cheney or Baker?

We know Cheney will never give up.

Wounded animals, backed into a corner.... Yeah, dangerous times.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. Oh, God, you're sounding like me...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3108953&mesg_id=3108953

[havocmom]

7. JR, you and I are cursed

with clear vision and the knack of putting things together with logic.

Sometimes I wish for being wrong about this stuff, but my track record on prediction has been fairly accurate, as has yours.

Damn

[Parisle]

8. Hey, you two,........

--- The fatalistic outlook is a good thing in my book,.... it motivates, eh? Sure beats hoping and praying that Bush isn't as crazy and evil as he appears to be. Believing in those appearances seems a safe assumption,... an assumption upon which one can confidently get on with the grim business at hand.

--- Mom, my own prediction success rate has been virtually perfect. JR, our intellectual fatalism is just instinctive fear, though with a prologue and footnotes,..... It's still an important survival tool. And at age fifty-seven, it can be very liberating.

--- Today, the United States of America has a rogue fascist executive branch,... allied with powerful corporatist elements, but lacking the support of 70% of "We the People." What would Tom ("a revolution every generation") Jefferson do? What would Patrick ("If this be treason, let us make the most of it") Henry say? We can literally do no wrong, for we write the history of our own future.

[havocmom]

9. You be right on many points, especially about age & reality

I am free and will die that way. Fear is a faint memory for me, from the days when I thought there was safety and justice.

My concerns now are for those who have a longer span ahead of them. Try to teach practical things (like gardening, preserving, making do with what's at hand) and critical thinking. Those are skills the younger ones will need.

I tell my young friends that, when the time comes, they must curb their youthful courage and bravado to let us gray warriors head the charge in the streets. The boomer generation is big and by the time the powerful cut through us, they may have a change of heart or be out of bullets. Perhaps just being rid of a huge pool of soon-to-be retirees will sate them for now.

They have the resources of money and technology. We have numbers.

Ask the powerful how is that particular equation is going in Iraq? ;)