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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:51 PM
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who would glbt community support....
if it came down to rudy against j. edwards or hillary. is there any danger here? im just trying to map out all strategies, and i dont know if this is an obvious question or not?
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:07 PM
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1. Talk about the lesser of evils...
Not much of a choice here...

Both Edwards and Hillary are on the record as being AGAINST full civil rights for GLBTQs (both oppose marriage equality for GLBTQs).
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:14 PM
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2. that is why i have some concern.
i dont know where all the others Ds are. i, of course, know where the other Rs are. Im curious about richardson
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 10:06 AM
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9. Civil unions are a huge step forward
Insofar as the federal government can insist that all States recognise Civil Unions granted in other States, that would also be a huge step forward.

In England, same-sex couples have been able to get "Civil Partnerships" for the past 2 years. Most gay groups are satisfied with the situation. Very few people are pushing for the right to call it "marriage".

My guess is that Civil Unions - if they ensured full legal protection and nationwide recognition - would satisfy the needs and wishes of 90% of same sex couples.

To sum up: Yes, rights are important, but names (like "marriage") are less important - IMHO
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:58 PM
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10. Civil unions for gays. Marriage for hets. Separate but equal
We've been down the road of "separate but equal" in this country (your profile says you're from Belgium) and the SCOTUS determined "separate but equal" to be unconstitutional.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:26 PM
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3. Neither will get my queer OR other vote.
They both push the bullshit about Iran being a threat, so they're off the table for that alone.

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:02 PM
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4. Rudy will NOT get my vote - end of discussion
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:49 PM
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5. Kucinich is the only pol -- dem or repub -- on the record for GLBT equality
He has been very vocal about full equality for GLBTQs...
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:00 PM
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6. Rudy can't get the nomination unless he regresses on gay rights
he won't get the nomination anyway, but the only way he could would be to find Jesus and start hating.
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 09:16 PM
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7. i think you may be right
he will probably shift his position to where he is at least as bad as edwards. i really like edwards too, but he is bad on this issue.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:03 AM
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8. None of the candidates really care about GBLT equality
So it doesn't matter anyway. Neither the Democratic nominee nor the Republic nominee will work to make any genuine progress towards GBLT equality.

So I don't think there's any reason to worry about en masse GBLT voting for Guiliani.
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