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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:14 PM
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Now let me get this straight....no senator has been elected POTUS since JFK...
and now the media is telling us the three running for the nomination now are the only viable candidates Democrats have?

Anybody else see anything wrong with this picture?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:16 PM
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1. They don't expect you to look.......just do as they tell you....
OK?

Now just be a good little voter and just listen to the pundits. That's what they get paid for...aweright!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:19 PM
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2. A Democratic Senator has a better chance of getting elected if...
the Republican candidate is also a Senator.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:21 PM
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4. So that stands to say that if we don't run a Senator and they do....
we have an even better chance, NON?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:03 AM
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22. As long as it is not a US Representative
and they are either a Governor, VP or war hero
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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:20 PM
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3. And even JFK got less than half the vote!!! Unlike, say, ...
...his predecessor, who won easily both times.

Fellow Democrats, don't choose a Democrat who if he/she wins will just barely win, choose one that has the potential to utterly swamp the Republicans (thereby bringing more Dems into Congress too!)!

General Clark has the potential to pull a General Eisenhower. Think about it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:23 PM
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6. Hey...that was 1952, the last time no incumbent from either party was running,
and an unpopular war was being fought (Korea) and the President's ratings were at an all time low (so low, Truman decided not to run again).....
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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:29 PM
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9. Well, Yes, But Eisenhower also won easily in 1956 too.
The point is that generals (and to a lesser extent governors) don't have political records that can be slimed and distorted by the other side. Unlike, say, senators. And we all know how much Republicans love to slime and distort!!!
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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:39 PM
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14. I mean, when the Dems chose Kerry, I knew that Karl Rove...
...would have a field day, sliming and distorting Kerry's record. Rove may have had slightly more difficulty in dealing with Governor Dean. But there would have been relatively little he could have done to continuously attack Clark through commercial after commercial after commercial, and Clark has the added bonus of coming from a battleground state (Arkansas) that borders another battleground state (Missouri).
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:22 PM
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5. It's said that every Senator wakes up in the morning and sees a President in the mirror
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:24 PM
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7. Better if they looked at a photo instead.....
This one would be good!

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:29 PM
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8. Dupe Deleted
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 10:29 PM by LiberalFighter
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:30 PM
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10. So, no woman, african american, or hispanic has ever been elected POTUS...
Does that mean we should not bother?

Who the hell cares where they came from...?
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:30 AM
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30. for many that office is a white male only club. nt.
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 02:30 AM by k_jerome
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:31 PM
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11. Not really.
We may very well have two senators running against each other in the general this time. We also have a woman Speaker of the House for the first time in history. It would be a huge mistake to allow trends to dictate our political decisions.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:34 PM
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12. Hey, we'd never elected a cokehead before, either!
I think that it's difficult to predict anything in today's political world. Too much has changed in recent years, and I think all bets are off.

It's difficult to do trend analysis when there are no trends.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:36 PM
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13. Lucky For Mr. Gore He Was Vice President Also! nt
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:41 PM
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15. Well.....
The rethugs top 3 are

mccain
giuliani
romney

do any of them have a chance?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:53 PM
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16. Whichever one the media decides should have a chance....
Cause that's how it works.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:12 AM
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25. Depends who we run. nt
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 01:13 AM by Clarkie1
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:57 PM
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17. And no general has won since 1956 so that's a lame argument for Clark. n/t
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:19 PM
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20. When's the last time a general had the nomination and lost the election?
Not wanting to get involved in this thread, since I dislike this kind of thread, but I do think you bring up a valid point.
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:58 PM
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18. Gore
Gore was elected Vice President and then elected President. He just didn't get selected President.
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:34 AM
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31. Gore was elected, and a good case made for Kerry as well. nt.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:01 PM
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19. That's For Damn Sure!!
There's a LOT wrong with this picture. Clark is the answer. If he runs and wins, I'll feel like I can dream again, dream for my son, my parents, my students, and once again, dream for this country.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:46 PM
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21. 3 senators elected POTUS since Lincoln
It is obvious senators have more obstacles than non-senators. I'm glad that we have strong non-senators in Richardson and Clark (from flippable red states too!).

What's with all the senators running on the Dem side?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 12:08 AM
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23. Sad thing is when you add up all of these Senators on both sides....
that's like 10% of the Senate! at least 9% too many, IYAM!
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:10 AM
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24. That's an even more incredible statistic. Thanks for posting. nt
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:12 AM
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26. All this Democrat bashing by Clark supporters is getting REALLY OLD n/t
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:52 AM
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28. it is what they do. nt.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 02:08 AM
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29. All this lumping all Clark supporters together is a tired lie.....
Listen closely so that even you can understand....

I say what I want and I DO NOT represent Clark supporters, I represent "A" Clark supporter.

Clarkie1 says what he wants, and he does not represent Clark supporters. In fact, he doesn't even represent me....cause I don't alway agree with him.

As far as K_Jerome, he shouldn't even have anything to say about Clark supporters....as he does nothing but bash Clark with one liners 24/6! :eyes:

I'm sure the frontrunning senators they've got the money, the media and the poll numbers....but what they don't have is a corner market on opinions or on the truth.

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DonkeyInChinaShop Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 01:28 AM
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27. Since JFK, it's been Goldwater, McGovern, Mondale, Dole, and Kerry
who have won their party's nomination. While 0-5 is not pretty, think about those five.

Goldwater was facing President Johnson.

McGovern was facing President Nixon

Mondale was facing President Reagan

Dole was facing President Clinton

Kerry was facing President Bush


Notice a pattern? Senators tend to go up against Presidential incumbents. In 2008, that won't be the case.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-13-07 05:30 AM
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32. No mayor has been elected president
Edited on Tue Feb-13-07 05:30 AM by Tiggeroshii

Ever.

And it looks as if he's the only viable candidate running for the Republican nomination.
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