Regarding 2000: What Good Do Articles Do Now?

[RestoreGore]

Where was this country, namely this CONGRESS when it mattered most? Almost SEVEN years later and all Americans can do is continue to TALK about it as if that absolves them from not doing their duty THEN. No wonder Al Gore has stated he has no intentions of running. Why should he? Winners shouldn't have to do it all again, especially in the same TOXIC system that spawned this. And why have this all dragged up again to be reminded of all of that pain when nothing was done to stop it by the very people who had the power to do just that?

Why were Bush and his cronies allowed to subvert this government? He surely didn't do it alone... WE helped him, and I for one am ASHAMED when I see people crying about the injustice of it all as if doing that even comes close to doing enough. And now, these bastards still sit in the White House DAY after DAY after DAY because WE ALLOW THEM TO, while Congress continues to just hold meetings and put out BS resolutions that do absolutely nothing to check the executive powers they handed over on a silver platter with our Constitution.

This system is just a smoke and mirrors show, because there isn't ONE resolution they can pass that will now hold any weight until they IMPEACH these usurpers once and for all. But it doesn't seem they have the guts to do their real job. Now they even give conditions to impeachment. If he attacks Iran, we can impeach him... Wow, that is simply ridiculous. The Constitution is not a bargaining chip. Impeachment is not just something to be used a threat. STEALING THE 2000 ELECTION was already enough grounds for impeachment! But they have allowed him to subvert our rights, our freedoms, our habeus corpus, and plunge us into the abyss of an illegal preemptive war so they could look good when they down the line introduce some politically expedient bill to "get it all back." As if a piece of paper can magically bring all that we lost back. How stupid do they think we are?

Color me unimpresssed with these petty political games meant only to set up for 2008. Our Democracy was ripped from our hearts, and at THE TIME it happened we should have stood up like REAL CITIZENS to this CORRUPT Congress and forced them to do their duty... but we didn't. So now here we sit and read all of the articles that only serve as red meat for certain lobbies to try to get votes which comes as no surprise as the epithet to a nation we allowed to be taken right out from under our feet because of that.

And there were those of us who tried to the very end of 2004 to ses some sort of justice for it...but we were mocked, called crackpots, and told to "get over it" by the usual suspects, and Democrats of all people! That is why like Mr. Gore, I too have seen firsthand that the people of this country on the whole are simply too uninformed, inspired, and gullible to the politics of coercion and fear to EVER stand and demand TRUE Democracy, so those changes must come from educating and informing them first in order for them to disenthrall themselves from the diversions that brought us to this point, and then find a way to move forward to a place far better than what we see when we look back. I just hope there is enough time to accomplish that because from where I sit, that is going to be a huge undertaking.

[proReality]

1. Why?

Because history has a way of fading into nothingness, causing us to repeat the same mistakes over and over. I'm all for bringing back the oral history tradition, so we can teach each new generation just exactly what it is they need to look out for.

It won't change the past, but it can change the future.

[RestoreGore]

2. Yes,

But my question was geared toward the moral imperative we faced as a nation that we choked on then.

[Larry Ogg]

3. I have ask the question many times concerning the 2000 election coup d'état

ware the signature of only one Senator was needed to allow the recount. I had one DUer explain that All Gore didn’t want the recount to continue either. I don’t know if that’s true or not. Either way it spelled serious and grave problems. And in my opinion every elected official had a constitutional duty to see it done.

Once every four years the American people become the deciders by there vote, not the elected few, when that doesn’t happen any more neither does our democracy, and that is exactly what has been going on since 2000. Those who allowed the coup should not now be in office, but they are and voters cheer them on. Maybe Americans don’t care about Democracy any more because life is too good, but now many are beginning to worry that there going to find out what fascism really feels like, although I don’t think enough are waking up. This country has been going in the wrong direction for a long time. Politicians keep promising a new direction but we keep going in the same direction… Down… OK the brakes are being applied were slowing and have to stop before we can start in the other direction… Up… But will that happen before we crash and burn?

[RestoreGore]

4. Yes, and that response to you was a copout

Let us even suppose that Mr. Gore told Senators to not sign off on challenging the electors in 2000 for whatever reason...Did that absolve them from thinking for themselves and doing what was Constitutionally right? No, it did not, and that is why I really cannot even discuss this too much because I feel my blood boiling. And If Mr. Gore did indeed tell Senators to not follow their Constitutional duty (which I personally do not believe he did and believe that just a lie to get others off the hook,) I would be more than surprised, I would be downright disappointed. But as I stated I don't believe it, which was why I and a few others tried to do something about it and learned very quickly just how indifferent people in this Congress and in other groups really are to thinking outside the box to make an egregious wrong right.

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Patriots_for_Gore/index.php?showtopic=3119

But now however, we are simply supposed to FORGIVE Congress for all of this? For DISMISSING DEMOCRACY? For treating citizens who do take up the cause to restore it in any small way we can as if it means nothing? For continuing that status quo unabated even after this when they know it goes against what the people believe? Not bloody likely.

[Larry Ogg]

7. And my blood boils along with yours, as I really feel this is one of the most important issues

of our time and as serious as JFK’s assignation and cover-up, if not more. It was a crime against the American people and the constitution, and nobody really gives a shit! If it happened in Venezuela I guarantee Bush would send in the Marines, no doubt what so ever… Unless of course, the unelected government would give us all there oil!

[RestoreGore]

9. You hit it : " Nobody gives a shit"

And yet they want Al Gore to enter this shitty system again where it can happen again. The logic escapes me.

[karynnj]

5. You wouldn't get a recoiunt if a Senator had signed

What you would have gotten was what you did get when Boxer signed in 2004.

You would get the time in Congress where they could present the case taht there was a reason to deny that state's electoral college delegates from being approved. This would have led to a vote.

The likelihood id that it would end the same way as 2004. If they weren't seated, who would be. One argument - by I think Roberts - was that the constitution leaves the process to the State legislature - which was Republican. At this point we would have been in a constitutional crisis.

One reason it made sense to have a Senator in 2004 and not 2000, was to get on the record that there were major irregularities and voter suppression and to increase knowledge of this. In 2000, the long period of recounts and court cases already did this.

The reason we need this now - is that history should be honest and because only by admitting the truth aan we even hope to fix it.

[RestoreGore]

6. NO Excuse

And we don't know what we would have gotten... but we would have at least known that our Congress wasn't a bunch of simpering wimps who just throw their hands up at a Constitutional crisis because they are too damned lazy or afraid to fulfill their oaths based on principle or because it wouldn't look good on a GD poll. Good thing Jefferson and the Founding Fathers didn't have this way of thinking... God only knows where we would be today.

[Larry Ogg]

8. And I second the NO EXCUSE

The Constitution was circumvented and that in itself was a constituently crises in my opinion, although I am no lawyer, I do know right from wrong unlike some Supreme Court judges and dishonest politicians who look for the loop holes that might legally give them the right (in there opinion) to turn over our democracy to a Neo-Conservative Nazi clone tyrant bastards, which they did. The founding fathers probably turned over in there graves.

[RestoreGore]

10. Yes, they aren't just turning... they are spinning n/t

[Larry Ogg]

11. Agreed, like a top… along with all those who gave there lives for this country and the constitution.

I can’t believe that nothing could have been done. I can believe the cost of fighting the coup would have been a lot less than what we are paying now.

[RestoreGore]

12. This stain will never fade

And now we will never get back what was lost. I agree. I can't see how people can say they love this country but continue to watch her very foundations being knocked down. I have moved on from 2000 in that I know nothing will be done to bring restitution for it , and that is sad. But I will never ever forgive this Congress and those involved in brining us to this point.