CNN - Lou Dobbs RE: Border Agents that are in prison...

[oldtimecanuk]

It would seem that the Justice Department has a done an about face on the two Border Patrol Agents that shot the Drug Smuggler in the Ass. According to the report on Lou Dobbs, the Justice Department is about to release the two agents on bond pending an investigation and appeals... hmmmmm Very interesting indeed...

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

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[goclark]

1. Lou Dobbs "Border Control Supervisor" nt

[wakeme2008]

2. I do not think the Justice Department can do that

Only the Judge can allow these killers out on appeal.

[oldtimecanuk]

3. I can't answer that, that's how I thought I heard it though.... will

get very interesting from here I am sure though..... Looks like a large bag of shit from the get go...

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[Saturday]

8. They didn't kill anyone....

therefore they are not "killers".

[oldtimecanuk]

9. Thanks yaday..... I missed that one.. lol eom

[fuzzyball]

26. Justice dept can present NEW evidence to a judge causing quick

release of defendents pending further investigation if required.
IOW justice dept in this case will be the instigator to cause a change
in status of the convicted individuals.

[EST]

4. My, oh my.

It is truly amazing to me that so many people just love to mix their own particular blend of ignorance, hyperventilation, idealogical fervor, and blind idiocy and spread it around-damn the consequences.

A careful reading of the charges against these agents reveals their own willingness to abandon legal niceties and the rules and regulations that were enacted for very good, thoughtful reasons. What they did was bad, wrong and illegal. (alleged to have done)

[ret5hd]

5. "Shoot'EmInTheBack" Dobbs at it again, huh?

What a hateful bigot some around here have aligned themselves with.

[martymar64]

33. You mean Lou "Kill all Mexicans" Dobbs

What a hateful racist POS he is.

[oldtimecanuk]

6. Yep, apparently the Drug Smuggler breached the conditions of..

his immunity deal, and was never arrested on that.... and the Justice Department had a hand in covering up the details of evidence... We will see what happens with this one, but it does get curiouser and curiouser as we move along...

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[Kagemusha]

10. That's not clear-cut though is it.

My understanding is that even if the government can go after you for breaching the conditions of a deal, it is not a mousetrap; it's not an automatic trigger, someone has to consciously decide to go after you. Now concealing 'the' details of evidence, that sounds like a pattern of misbehavior but we'll see...

[oldtimecanuk]

7. My own opinion is that these two will out of jail before this year is...

up..... They did things that were wrong, but not enough to land them in jail for 11 and 12 year sentences....

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[Greyhound]

11. Really? Since when is shooting an unarmed innocent person in the back OK?

Oh, I know, when it is a law enforcement officer riding herd on the terrified flock of sheep our country has become...:eyes:

[oldtimecanuk]

13. There was no attempted murder... They thought the "Fleeing"

drug salesman had a gun pointed at them, and they defended themselves.. pure and simple, clear cut.. He was shot in the ass.... (There only crime was not reporting the events, and if they had of, we would'nt even be discussing this.

And note, this same asshole was again caught smuggling drugs across the border and was again given immunity.... duh, how the hell does one explain that?

I can't believe that some on this thread are defending a known Drug Salesman, that was smuggling illegal drugs into the US.... If this happened on the US/Canada border the guy would have been shot dead... End of story.... He is the fuckup that deserves to be in jail...

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[Greyhound]

16. That story doesn't hold water on the face of it. It defies the laws of physics

to shoot a person in the back/ass while simultaneously claiming they were pointing a gun at them. Obvious bullshit. Whether or not the victim is/was a criminal is irrelevant, the officers had no way to determine that at the time, and there is/was an assumption of innocence in our legal system.

The willingness of so many citizens to grant carte blanche to LEOs in the name of the illusion of safety is terrifying. History dictates that the militarization and ongoing escalation of LE organizations and operations will end up with their guns pointed at our heads.

[oldtimecanuk]

18. I have no idea where your coming from... and I am very disappointed

that not one Democratic Senator or Congressman/women defended these two, even knowing that the Justice Department was covering up on this.... Apparently you have your views (wrong in my opinion) but as far as I know we still have freedom of speech in this country until notification comes......

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[Greyhound]

20. You can't understand how it is impossible to point a handgun at someone

while shot in the back? I've been using firearms since I was 10 and have yet to see a bullet turn around in mid-flight. I suppose it would be possible to ricochet of a relatively vertical stone and come back toward the point of origin, but the ballistic evidence would be quite obvious.

As for who is right and who is wrong, I'll take my chances with freedom every time, your amerika is a threat to the whole world as well as all of its citizens. More's the pity that you cannot see that.

[Robson]

22. He was shot in the ass not back

It's actually quite easy for an escapee to turn and fire while his buttocks are exposed while running away. BTW since when are the Border Patrol considered the bad guys, and known drug peddling illegal immigrants the good guys and given the benefit of doubt?

One would think that being a law enforcement officer who confronts a known drug dealing felon should carry some consideration by our US Justice Dept. Apparently with the chimp-in-chief (who has a long bed time relationship with Vicente Fox), it's our own law enforcement that are first considered guilty.

[Greyhound]

27. IIRC, there was no gun, one of the officers claimed to have heard a shot, but

no guns, other than the agent's, were found. OTOH, they were convicted of lying in court, attempting to cover up the incident, and destroying evidence. Now I'm not really defending the smuggler, but when a court find officers guilty of this kind of abuse it is quite rare and the evidence must be overwhelming. So in going with the odds, I have to believe that they were wholly in the wrong, and also knowing how arrogant many BP agents are and having seen first-hand the abuse they regularly mete out to non-citizens they know have no means to fight back, I am indeed inclined to believe that, in this case, they were assholes who got caught doing something quite illegal and wrong.

I also got straight 'A's in all of my A&P classes and the ass is right below the back and above the thigh, he was shot while running away, period. Since you have disabled your profile I have no way of knowing where you live and whether you have any idea of what BP agents in the southwest are like, but I have lived in both SoCal and Arizona for over two decades, and have seen first-hand what incredible assholes they routinely are, more so if you happen to have a dark complexion.

Your attempt to put this criminality in the best light by writing that the officers confronted a know drug felon is disingenuous at best. They didn't know who they were pursuing at the time and so had no way of knowing that he was smuggling pot. Regardless, your claim that they should receive "consideration" by the DOJ is antithetical to the very concept of America where all are supposedly assumed equal, a nation of laws, not of men.

Your "I have nothing to hide, so why should I mind if they break the law in searching out the bad guys" attitude is how we got into this mess in the first place. Ironically, there was an excellent thread just yesterday about how throughout history the "loony leftists" have always been right and the conservative "submit to authority" types have always, in every case, been wrong. You might benefit from considering that.

[oldtimecanuk]

14. The terrified flock of sheep are "illegal alliens"... eom

[Greyhound]

17. They too are terrified, but I was referring to us. As Ben Franklin pointed

out, nobody respects sheep, and the have only one destiny.

[oldtimecanuk]

19. My problem is your defense of a known Drug Smuggler..... WTF

[Greyhound]

21. My defense is for an innocent person and the use of unreasonable force.

Again, we have/had a presumption of innocence as the foundational concept of our legal system, this was done explicitly and purposefully by the founders of this nation because they had first-hand experience with the opposing view and, knowing full well the potential consequences of it, decided it was still a better choice.

[ret5hd]

23. Why are you and dobbs so afraid of sheep?

[oldtimecanuk]

24. That post hardly requires a response... but I am guessing that you...

are a strong advocate of illegal alien's, I will say it again illegal alliens... cause that's what they are.... You cross some other countries border without permission, you are.... yep you have guessed it, and illegal allien........ And shit, to be carrying 750 pounds of illegal drugs to top it off... Well, thats just plain nasty... "GO TO JAIL, DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT your illegal bounty" Wow, that's clear to me...

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[ret5hd]

25. No trial, no jury, no judge, except those that oldtimercantnomore approves

xenophobic bigot, go back to shafley land.

[frylock]

12. right, because attempted murder should be treated as a misdemeanor..

these poltroons would be awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom if it were up to people like you and that bigoted POS Dobbs.

[RC]

15. Reading some of the replies here, one has to wonder

which side some are on. The border patrol or the drug runners.

[wakeme2008]

28. If you read the case and hear what the jury heard, they shot the man

NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT DRUGS...

[RC]

29. That the chance ya take when you cross the border with a van full of drugs.

Getting shot that is. One would start to think you may be friends with a courier the way you are defending the bad guy.

[wakeme2008]

30. They did not stop him thinking of drugs...

Just profiled him.. If you are OK with profiling then that's you thing.

[Starfury]

31. I don't think it's about "defending the bad guy" so much as it's about

things like not reporting a shooting, destroying evidence, and lying to investigators.

If anyone wants to read the official investigation report, including a detailed synopsis of events, it's here: http://www.dhs.gov/xoig/assets/OIG_foia_RamosCompean.pdf

[amandabeech]

32. Three of the jurors now say that they did not want to convict,

but that the foreman of the jury told them that the judge had said that jurors in the minority had to submit to the will of the majority. Those not wanting to convict then changed their votes.

I heard this while flipping the channels, so perhaps I got the story wrong. However, if true, the incident could present grounds for a mistrial.