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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:39 PM
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The Roots Of RW Philosophy
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 02:41 PM by bluedawg12
Following the elections in 2000 and the subsequent Supreme Court ruling that decided who would occupy the white house it seems that certain political, social and economic concepts emerged with a speed that could only indicate that they had been pre-determined and waiting to emerge.

The decision to attack Iraq, to cut taxes, to raise social wedge issues and divide the nation, to promote school vouchers, to involve the Federal government in local issues such as education with the “No Child Left Behind” bill, privatization of social security, an all volunteer military thus creating in effect the imperial legions, the concept of a mono-polar world following the bi-polar power balance of the cold war, the mandate to spread democracy and more....these all came so quickly and in such short order that it was as if these ideas had been floating around for some time just waiting to be liberated once power was achieved. They were.

Where did these carefully articulated ideas come from? Certainly they weren’t hatched on the post- 2000 and pre-9-11 golf courses of our fair nation?

I have looked up a few influences on current conservative thinking and tried to identify their importance in today events.

See if you can identify any influences on today’s political events as ushered in by the RW, when and where they arose and how they impact us today.

The issue of the rise of the religious right still needs exploring.

What is the importance today of Friedman’s plan to abolish the draft?

Is Grover Nordquist derivative or a cohort?

Why is there such a vicious attack on feminism by the RW today? What purpose does that serve?

Like wise, why the virulent homophobia by the RW? What is the real purpose?

Who is Shadia Drury and should the left embrace her and listen to her?

I was hoping that this thread could be on going with people contributing their research and resources and ideas.

Economics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman

“Milton Friedman (July 31, 1912 – November 16, 2006) was an American economist and public intellectual who made major contributions to the fields of macroeconomics, microeconomics, economic history and statistics while advocating laissez-faire capitalism.

Friedman himself considered classically liberal, stressed the advantages of the marketplace and the disadvantages of government intervention, shaping the outlook of American conservatives and libertarians. He adamantly argued that if capitalism, or economic freedom, is introduced into countries governed by totalitarian regimes that political freedom would tend to result.

(Yeah that worked well in Chile under Pinochet)

during the 1980s, a watershed decade for the acceptance of Friedman's ideas. His views of monetary policy, taxation, privatization and deregulation informed the policy of governments around the globe,

Friedman also supported various policies such as:

decriminalization of drugs and prostitution

the possibility of a move towards a paid/volunteer armed force

the abolition of the draft

many of the services performed by government could be performed better by the private sector.

promoting school vouchers that can be used to pay for tuition at both private and public schools

a negative income tax to replace the existing welfare system

Friedman and more than 500 other economists called for discussions regarding the economic benefits of the legalization of marijuana.”

We see current examples of this thinking in:

The move to privatize social security
The avoidance of a draft for our “wars” in the ME.
School vouchers
The elevation of the entrepreneur and small businesses.
The rise of multinational conglomerates, corporations providing jobs with-out borders as a way of obtaining cheap foreign labor.
Anti-public welfare programs
Anti-union views.
Anti-minimum wage.
Pro-corporate welfare.


laissez-faire capitalism- the duty of corporations is only to their share holders, not society. Thus, no clean air and water concerns, no worry about out sourcing jobs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laissez-faire_capitalism

“After the Second World War, laissez-faire thinking was in part resurrected through the Austrian School and Chicago School, and such liberal thinkers as Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman, who argued that if the Free World was truly defined by its freedom, then its citizens should have full economic freedom.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Hayek

“Friedrich August von Hayek, CH (May 8, 1899 in Vienna – March 23, 1992 in Freiburg) was an Austrian-born British economist and political philosopher known for his defense of liberal democracy and free-market capitalism against socialist and collectivist thought in the mid-20th century. He is considered to be one of the most important economists and political philosophers of the twentieth century.”

“Hayek was one of the leading academic critics of collectivism in the 20th century. Hayek believed that all forms of collectivism (even those theoretically based on voluntary cooperation) could only be maintained by a central authority of some kind. In his popular book, The Road to Serfdom (1944) and in subsequent works, Hayek claimed that socialism required central economic planning and that such planning in turn had a risk of leading towards totalitarianism, because the central authority would have to be endowed with powers that would impact social life as well, and because the scope of knowledge required for central planning is inherently decentralized.”

“Hayek attracted new attention in the 1980s and 1990s with the rise of conservative governments in the United States and the United Kingdom. Margaret Thatcher, the Conservative British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, was an outspoken devotée of Hayek's writings...Likewise, some of Ronald Reagan’s economic advisors were friends of Hayek.<6>.”

“Hayek's discussion in The Road to Serfdom (1944) about truth, falsehood and the use of language influenced some later opponents of postmodernism (e.g., Wolin 2004).”


Neoconservatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-conservative

“Neoconservatism is a political movement, mainly in the United States and Canada, which is generally held to have emerged in the 1960s, coalesced in the 1970s, and has had a significant presence in the administration of George W. Bush.”

“According to Irving Kristol, the founder and "god-father" of Neoconservatism, there are three basic pillars of Neoconservatism:

1. Economics: Cutting tax rates...necessity of the risks inherent in that growth, such as budget deficits...

2. Domestic Affairs: Preferring strong government but not intrusive government, slight acceptance of the welfare state, adherence to social conservatism, and disapproval of counterculture

3. Foreign Policy: Patriotism is a necessity, world government is a terrible idea, the ability to distinguish friend from foe, protecting national interest both at home and abroad, and the necessity of a strong military. “

The original neoconservatives were a band of liberal intellectuals who rebelled against the Democratic Party's leftward drift on defense issues in the 1970s

neoconservatives' support for aggressive foreign policy...unilateralism and lack of concern with international consensus through organizations such as the United Nations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

“Leo Strauss (September 20, 1899 – October 18, 1973), was a German-born Jewish political philosopher who specialized in the study of classical political philosophy. He spent most of his career as a Political Science Professor at the University of Chicago, where he taught several generations of devoted students, as well as publishing fifteen books. Since his death, he has come to be regarded as an intellectual source of neoconservatism in the United States.”


“Strauss taught that liberalism in its modern form contained within it an intrinsic tendency towards relativism, which in turn led to two types of nihilism.<3> The first was a “brutal” nihilism, expressed in Nazi and Marxist regimes. These ideologies, both descendants of Enlightenment thought, tried to destroy all traditions, history, ethics and moral standards and replace it by force with a supreme authority from which nature and mankind are subjugated and conquered.<4> The second type- the ‘gentle’ nihilism expressed in Western liberal democracies- was a kind of value-free aimlessness and hedonism, which he saw permeating the fabric of contemporary American society.”

“Strauss is a controversial figure,<12> not only for his political views, but because some of his students and their followers are themselves controversial public figures.
Allan Bloom, best known for his critique of higher education.

Harry V. Jaffa, another student of Strauss, served as a speechwriter for 1964 Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater and is a proponent of Declarationism constitutional theory.

Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense during the United States invasion of Iraq and later President of the World Bank, was briefly a student of Strauss .

The Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, which worked under Wolfowitz to gather intelligence for the Iraq War, was headed by Abram Shulsky, another of Strauss's students.<8>

Harvey C. Mansfield, though never a student of Strauss, is a noted Straussian (as followers of Strauss frequently identify themselves) and prominent neoconservative whose notable students include:
Andrew Sullivan
Elliott Abrams
lan Keyes
Richard Pearle
Bill Kristol
and Irving Kristol”

“What Ryn calls the 'new Jacobinism' of the neoconservative- and Straussian-controlled pseudo-Right is no longer 'new.' It is the warmed-over rhetoric of Saint-Juste and Trotsky that the philosophically impoverished American Right has taken over with mindless alacrity.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Juste

“Louis Antoine Léon de Saint-Just (25 August 1767 – 28 July 1794), usually known as Saint-Just, was a French revolutionary leader. Closely allied with Robespierre, he served with him on the Committee of Public Safety and perished with him after the events of 9 Thermidor.”

“Saint-Just was despatched to Strasbourg, in company with fellow deputy and friend, Philippe Lebas, to superintend the military operations. It was suspected that the enemy without was being aided by treason within. Saint-Just's remedy was to follow his experience in Paris, organise the Reign of Terror, and soon the heads of all suspects sent to Paris were falling under the guillotine.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kristol

Irving Kristol

“Irving Kristol (born January 22, 1920, New York City) is considered the founder of American neoconservatism. He is married to conservative author and emeritus professor Gertrude Himmelfarb, and is the father of William Kristol. He describes himself as a ‘liberal mugged by reality’.”

“He was the managing editor of Commentary magazine from 1947 to 1952, cofounder of the British-based covertly CIA financed magazine Encounter and its editor from 1953 to 1958, editor of the Reporter from 1959 to 1960, executive vice-president of Basic Books from 1961 to 1969, and professor of social thought at the New York University Graduate School of Business from 1969 to 1988. Since 1988, he has been John M. Olin Distinguished Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Olin_Foundation

John M. Olin

John M. Olin Foundation was a grant-making foundation established in 1953 by John M. Olin, president of the Olin Industries chemical and munitions manufacturing businesses

“...one of the principle funders of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the think tank in which prominent members of the (George W) Bush Administration (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz) aligned themselves with in the late 1990s to articulate their neoconservative foreign policy..”

“The John M. Olin Foundation has also given large amounts of money to conservative groups at prestigious colleges and universities, including the Federalist Society.”

Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts is a member of the Federalist Society.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Society

The basis for selecting judges that are not “activist judges” and are “strict constructionists.”

“The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, most frequently called simply the Federalist Society, began at Yale Law School, Harvard Law School, and the University of Chicago Law School in 1982 as a student organization that challenged the perceived orthodox American liberal ideology found in most law schools. The Federalist Society states that it is founded on the principles that "the state exists to preserve freedom," that "the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution," and that the duty of the judicial branch is "to say what the law is, not what the law should be."<1>


The Society has many prominent conservative members, including United States Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia (who served as the original faculty advisor to the organization), Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas, former United States Circuit Court Judge Robert Bork, former United States Attorney General Edwin Meese, former United States Solicitor General Ted Olson, Senator Orrin Hatch, former United States Solicitor General Kenneth Starr and Congressman Dan Lungren.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadia_Drury

Anti-Straussian

Shadia B. Drury (1950-) is a Canadian academic and political commentator. She is Canada Research Chair in Social Justice at the University of Regina

“Drury has stated her aim as an interdisciplinary social scientist is to temper enthusiasm for social ideals and values that are taken too seriously and which thus threaten moderation and justice. In her opinion, when society starts to believe that its ideals and values are "worthy of every sacrifice, every hardship and every abomination", moderation and justice are threatened. Accordingly, much of her writing is aimed at a debunking of, or an attempt at critique of, extreme political views, as she sees them.”

She has not shied away from voicing a critical interpretation of Strauss' work, linking it to American right-wing public policy. In print and on the airwaves she has stated that Straussians are a "cult"

“In Terror and Civilization: Christianity, Politics, and the Western Psyche, Drury regards the contemporary political problem as "thoroughly Biblical." ‘Each (civilization) is convinced that it is on the side of God, truth and justice, while its enemy is allied with Satan, wickedness, and barbarism.’”

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 02:54 PM
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1. Social Darwinism
Paul Krugman is the first to note the strong underlying social Darwinism of conservatism. Of course, social Darwinism has nothing to do with Darwin and predates him, maybe going back to the very beginnings of us as a species. I guess you could also call it Calvinism, which olds that outward signs of success are indications of inner goodness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism#Sovereign_grace
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:20 PM
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3. Calvinism and Social Darwinism

Interesting and makes sense in the way they see the world.

Calvinist view man as fallen and corrupt and waiting for Go'ds grace to be redemptive, hence, the strong tie with the religious right and their rigid view of morality as absolutes and the abhorence of the relativist morality.

This has become ascendent in conservative strains of Catholocism and Judaism. Back to the fundamentalist views of the big three- Judeo-Christian and Islamic-- in some quarters especially the more militant.

Social Darwinism - the success of the fitest and best suited- seems to go along with the some of the ideas of Manifest destiny, slavery, as a way to oppress or conquer or decimate non-Caucasian no Christian peoples.

As an aside, when the Brits began colonizing Tazmania with prisoners it took only 70 years to wipe out the Tazmanians.

This is consistent with the us and them conservative view, you either become us, straight, God fearing, nationalistic or you don't deserve a place in our system. Color is on longer the big barrier, and as long as you are a person of the "BooK" any will do, the Old Testament, New testament, Quran - we respect you. It's those Godless atheists, agnostics, and gays we can't accept.

They don't just hate the sin...they actually hate the sinner...unless they repent and become them.

These ideas are so powerful that the masses will accept any gibberish from the right including Friedmans views, as if any of them were top corporate execs, or on the Board of directors or major share holders- with out that the average guy/gal is being cut out of the pie but has the Calvinist certainty of being on the side of rightousness.

The Calvinist influence may explain why they vote agains their own economic self intertest and shows how gerbilboyRove used these wedge issues so potently because they were almost subliminal messages.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism
"The term "social Darwinism" first appeared in an 1879 article in "Popular Science" by Oscar Schmidt, followed by an anarchist tract published in Paris in 1880 entitled "Le darwinisme social" by Émile Gautier. However, the use of the term was very rare - at least in the English-speaking world (Hodgson, 2004) - until the American historian Richard Hofstadter published his influential Social Darwinism in American Thought(1944) during World War II."

"Enlightenment thinkers who preceded Darwin, such as Hegel, often argued that societies progressed through stages of increasing development. Earlier thinkers also emphasized conflict as an inherent feature of social life. Thomas Hobbes' 17th century portrayal of the state of nature seems analogous to the competition for natural resources described by Darwin. Social Darwinism is distinct from other theories of social change because of the way it draws Darwin's distinctive ideas from the field of biology into social studies."

"Despite the fact that social Darwinism bears Darwin's name and Darwin's works were widely read by social Darwinists, the theory also draws on the work of many authors, including Herbert Spencer, Thomas Malthus, and Francis Galton, the founder of eugenics."
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:21 AM
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28. Olin is just one of the "Four Sisters" of conservative funding
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_n3_v56/ai_18292698

A group of foundations--Bradley, Olin, Smith Richardson, and Scaife--generally give to the same right-wing organizations and are sometimes referred to as "the four sisters" According to Leon Howell, "the four sisters" gave a collective $3.8 million in 1993 to the Heritage Foundation and $3.4 million to the American Enterprise Institute.

add in the Coors family and Koch oil as well as some assorted others.



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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:24 AM
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29. (Sorry misposted that as a response) add in Lewis Powell's memo to the Chamber of Commerce
About the only thing Powell misses here is the rise of the RW noise machine

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/corporate_accountability/powell_memo_lewis.html

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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 03:12 PM
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2. A study of Leo Strauss would be a good place to start!
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 06:29 PM
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4. Strauss seemed to have a strong authoritarian view
Strauss seemed to have a strong authoritarian view. Like the Calvinists, which is why they seem oddly, to fit on the same RW side, I get the impression that Leo felt that man cannot handle freedom.

"While modern liberalism had stressed the pursuit of individual liberty as its highest goal, Strauss felt that there should be a greater interest in the problem of human excellence and political virtue."

Who is to say what is human excellence and what is political virtue?

Ivory tower egg heads like Strauss of course.

"Strauss taught that liberalism in its modern form contained within it an intrinsic tendency towards relativism, which in turn led to two types of nihilism."

Hence the right's castigation of moral relativism. I recall morality czar Bill Bennet disparaging moral relativism, as did helium head Drug Limpbags only to find that they both had a teensy problem, one with gamling the other with pain meds.

"Strauss noted that thinkers of the first rank, going back to Plato, had raised the problem of whether good and effective politicians could be completely truthful and still achieve the necessary ends of their society. By implication, Strauss asks his readers to consider whether "noble lies" have any role at all to play in uniting and guiding the pols. Are "myths" needed to give people meaning and purpose and to ensure a stable society? "

We know where that led "for our own good," and the search for those weapons of mass deception..no matter...Wolfywitless still said going in was a good idea.

Wouldn't the average Joe or Jane plotz to know how they have been played for fools.


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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 08:34 PM
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5. test
this is a test
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 08:35 PM
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6. well it seemed to work
:hi:
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sandyd921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 09:04 PM
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7. What about Ayn Rand
and her championing of untrammeled free enterprise and self-interest at the expense of the larger good? There's definitely a strong libertarian streak at least as far as their economics (not in terms of the militaristic and moralistic underpinnings) goes. The corporate fascist types certainly appear to subscribe to these ideas.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:33 AM
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12. Corporate freedom vs. indivdual freedom is switched
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 10:38 AM by bluedawg12
It's the old switch and bait trick.

Here’s where they cleverly blur the lines.

They use the language of progressives: i.e. “Individual freedom”

and apply it to corporations.

Ayn Rand wasn’t extolling freedom of personal expression and desire as much as her writings were allegories about the little guy as “business man” going up against “big brother,” in this instance government interference in the freedom to conduct business with out a conscience.

Progressives would probably say (can’t speak for everyone):

individuals have the right to freedom when it comes to ideas, speech, association, dissent, choice of sexual partners.

Corporations have some duty to society and the workers. Fair wages, decent working conditions, cleaning up the environmental mess they make in the course of conducting business.

Conservatives say the opposite:

Individuals have clear moral choices and the right way is dictated by the word of a higher power, as found in a book/text/scripture, and the right way is narrow and involves family values, monogamy, heterosexuality, patriotism, and almost unconditional support for RW leaders who embody the conservative social, political and economic dogma of the right.

Corporations have a duty only to the share holders to make a profit. The less government interference, the higher the profits. The “free market” will weed out bad business (not profitable) practices from the good ones (profitable) and that means society should use tax payer dollars to clean up the fouled streams and that business has a right and duty, to either chase cheap over seas labor markets or import lower pay workers and they have no duty to the American worker. Pensions are becoming rare, health insurance on the job is becoming rare, and even the government seems to resent having a social safety net for ageing workers known as : social security, which, if they can’t raid and drain then they will privatize and put the transaction fees in the pockets of Wall Street brokers. This is why the RW fights the unions- as they support workers interests.

The liberal message has been cast as flighty and wanton and the conservative message has been framed as solid, dutiful and traditional.


In fact, conservatives believe that if we all straighten up and fly righteously we won’t need welfare and social safety nets. Thus, neatly ignoring the fact that there is not a level playing field. Odd, yet, they demand corporate welfare, tax cuts and unfettered rights for off shoring of labor and capital.


The RW only cares about America's Main Streets when it comes time for the July 4th parade and waving those little flags and makig big high toned speeches.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:43 PM
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17. Well then, what say you to my friends Calvin & Hobbes:


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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:30 AM
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8. 3 step program:

1. be a sociopath
2. come up with excuses for your evil deeds
3. present 2 as "philosophy"
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:04 AM
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9. K&R
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:26 AM
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10. Leo Strauss: Lie to the masses, then do as you wish.
That's the lesson learned by the Bush Crime Family.
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:28 AM
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11. I'd guess that the purpose of violent homophobia
is to get votes of the homophobic. In many areas, more people vote because of 'moral' issues like abortion and gay rights than they do on issues that affect things like economy, environment and foreign relations.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 11:01 AM
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13. It's the fire and brimstone coercion
It's the fire and brimstone coercion of Calvinist theology that they buy into. You know, there is only one right and wrong and you have the choice to follow that way or be deemed as evil.

It is so powerful that Mittenflopper and MCCainFlipper are now courting them avidly.

The RW wants big time theologic interference into our daily lives and small time government interference into our financial dealings.

The masses have been controlled by theocratic ideas for a long time. It still works.

Those that don't follow the creed are secular humanists. Another term cleverly taken on a negative connotation.

This is why so many people "believe" that science can't explain man place on earth with evolution only Genesis can.

This is why so many people believe that there is no morality with out religion. I guess the pre-Christian, pre-Muslim, non-Judaic ancient philosophers didn't know right from wrong??? Hardly.

They sell their message well because it has been sold for a long time- remember Constantine found faith useful in uniting an empire.

Progressives get to sell that message when there is a glaring disconnect between truth and reality and propaganda, so much so that the masses awaken from their slumber. It happened in the 60's with Nam and a whole cultural revolution took place. It is happening now with the cognitive dissonance of the war as it is and the words spoken by those in power about the war. The difference is: Milton Friedman wisely got rid of the draft and now, with out a draft there are no street riots as only a minute fraction of the country has kids serving and those folks bought into to the post 9-11 rhetoric and many still "believe."

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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:03 PM
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14. That belief about 'no morals without religion' has always pissed me off.
I mean... on one side, you've got people who are moral because they don't want to be punished by some supreme father figure.
And on the other side you have people who don't believe in a father figure, but still manage to go around WITHOUT killing people and stealing stuff. Even though there's no threat hanging over their heads. So which one's more moral? :)
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:23 PM
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20. The Golden Rule
Morality goes back in time and transcends orgnaized religion.

http://www.goldenruleradical.org/goldenrule_statements.htm
"The practice of the Golden Rule does not require the practice of any faith or secular tradition. Nor does it preclude or discourage such practice except where that tradition is antagonistic toward or dismissive of other experiences of the Divine.

The universal presence of the Golden Rule suggests the presence of the Divine. It therefore encourages religious pluralism and interfaith dialogue.

The Golden Rule implies that all people, without qualification, have intrinsic value and worth. By extension, so too do all aspects of Creation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule_(ethics)

"The ethic of reciprocity or "The Golden Rule" is a fundamental moral principle found in virtually all major religions and cultures, which simply means "treat others as you would like to be treated."

It is arguably the most essential basis for the modern concept of human rights. Principal philosophers and religious figures have stated it in different ways,

"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD." — Torah Leviticus 19:18

"When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Torah Leviticus 19:33-34

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." — Jesus (ca. 5 BCE—33 CE) in the Gospels, Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31, Luke 10:25

"None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." — Muhammad (c. 571 – 632 CE) Hadith.

Similar statement have been made with other traditions, which teach a passive reciprocity. These teachings do not explicitly require generosity or charity, but merely prohibit harming others. These are referred to as the silver rule. (Robert Spitzer, The Life Principles, 1999)

"What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man." — Hillel (ca. 50 BCE-10 CE)

"This is the sum of duty; do naught unto others what you would not have them do unto you." from the Mahabharata (5:15:17) (ca. 500BCE)


This loophole can be addressed by invoking a supplementary rule, which is sometimes called the silver rule. This states "treat others in the way that they wish to be treated".
"What you do not wish upon yourself, extend not to others." — Confucius (ca. 551–479 BCE)

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:17 PM
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15. george spelled it out in three words last week: Money Trumps Peace.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:27 PM
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16. Adolph Hitler -- Republicans have been involved in Middle East politics...
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 08:27 PM by PhilipShore
for years, from day one. When the "Palestinian Israeli issue" was a non-issue in the MSM; wealthy Nazis, contacted Republicans in the USA. The Nazis then funded a campaign to make Palestinian Rights a story.

And thus creating the foundation for the CIA and the Military-Industrial-Complex. JFK wanted to close it all down but was shot.

Don't expect to read this story -- even in the liberal press; I read about it in a out of print book.

The Nazis in Dubya's closet

When Adolf Hitler needed money, who did he call?

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A13683

Here's a tiny sampling of what's known about the Bushies.I was working in Miami in the early 1980s when Jeb Bush popped up on the scene like a malevolent jack-in-the-box. Doors, especially those in Little Havana, swung open wide for the "vice president's son." My interest was drawn to one particular door -- a health maintenance organization owned by Miguel Recarey. It would turn out that Recarey had ties to the Contra terrorists in Nicaragua and to the Mafia family of Tampa's godfather, Santos Trafficante. Bush brushed aside the mob allegations and declared that Recarey was "a good supporter of the Republican Party." And Bush helped arranged for the HMO to treat wounded Contras -- part of the larger clandestine, and very illegal, Reagan Administration scheme to help the terrorist outfit (a group that, as it would later turn out, was padding its coffers by smuggling drugs into American cities).

I later covered a story about a scummy real estate deal of Jeb's: He tanked more than $4 million in loans on a commercial building -- money you and I ended up paying. Ah, what a capitalist, I thought.

My curiosity about Bush was piqued, and it was amazing to watch his South Florida story unfold. There wasn't a rake or a blackguard he didn't seem to befriend. They only thing that mattered was that Bush's friends had to be sufficiently fanatical (often maniacal) in their right-wing extremism.

Those pals included Leonel Martinez, a major league cocaine smuggler. Even more interesting was that Jeb -- who would later join his brother's "war on terrorism" (aka the war for Halliburton and against American liberties) -- finagled the release from prison of a really bloodthirsty terrorist who rivals any of Osama bin Laden's boys: the ultra-right Orlando Bosch, who had committed 30 acts of terrorism, including the bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed 73 people. Likewise, Bush was ever-so-tight with Jorge Mas Canosa, the thoroughly low-life (and now thankfully deceased) leader of the Cuban-American National Foundation. Mas boasted of his terrorist exploits, including the machinegun strafing of Havana residential neighborhoods.

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 01:59 AM
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23. Interesting to see where the money comes from
those wonderfully moral RW supporters.

Strange bedfellows, the religious RW, neocons,Chenyburton and the Miami RW groups.

yeech. The common denominator is money.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 08:57 PM
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18. Of course they were planted along time back.
k/r
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:27 PM
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21. The many tentacles of power n/t
n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:09 PM
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19. Then, there's all of the RW think tanks
even today, conservative thinking is being honed in places like the AEI.

I wonder what we would list as the roots of contemtporary progressive thinking?
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 10:31 PM
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22. The bios of great liberals -- JFK, Jesus Christ, Gandhi, Einstein, King, Gorbachev, Kunstler etc.
Edited on Mon Feb-19-07 10:36 PM by PhilipShore
"Never do anything against conscience even if the state demands it."

-- Albert Einstein
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 02:21 AM
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24. Who would be a great progressive thinker for the 21st cent?
The RW has no derth of blabber mouths. There is the self-styled intellectual Newt Fatrich, hinting at running in 2008, they have at their resources Bill Kristol and his rag the Weakly Standard.

Who could we compare them to in our ranks? Bill Clinton is pretty broad thinker but he is not writing political theory these days.

Obama is a very clear thinker, I love listening to him, but he does not yet have the depth and body of work to point to, you know books, articles,etc.

Do we have depth of thinking on global issues, a world view and philosphy, a comprehensive and attractive human rights package that is well stated and appealing to the public covering topics like: womens right, civil rights, workers rights, gay rights?

Who besides Al Gore is our voice for ecology and global climate change?

I am hoping some of you guys have names I can check out and get introduced to their thoughts and ideology.

Yes, Jesus was a progressive, odd, how grubby sweaty little power hungry men with a quick eye for the buck have made Jesus into a RW icon of law and order and family values and judgmentalism and hate when he was actually kind,open, accepting and a rebel. Imagine kicking the Pharasees out of the temple and cmoing to prominence in occupied Judea under the Roman Empire? That took sand!

Whe I see protestors carrying signs saying Jesus Hates Fags, I want to change their placard and exchange them for one that say: Jesus hates fat little greasy men who boast of hating fags.





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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-20-07 03:29 AM
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25. General Wesley Clark
As a ultra liberal, I actually understand the history of liberalism, unlike the prescription drugged up clown Limbaugh.

Basically -- liberalism has been dead as a movement; when in the late 60s the hippies left because of the lunatics that started showing up at demos.

The actual progressive/liberals of the time, were still able to stop the war from demos, but the demos became strategic in nature. Such as the burning of the draft cards, that was a staged event created by a few Catholic Workers -- but the impact of that image in the media is a symbol for dissent in America.

The people of Vietnam used the power of the media in more violent ways such as the person that set themselves on fire, and right before they set the fire said: "All we want is for the Americans to leave Vietnam".

General Wesley Clark best represents the liberal of the 21st century, a person of the future, intelligent a non-politician -- yet with a basic ability to be open to world points of view. And most of all non-corrupted by the Military-Industrial-Complex -- as a General he was probably kept from it, because of his liberal perspectives, and education at West Point.

The PNAC and Military-Industrial-Complex hires only the incompetents, because they are easier to bribe.

The politician of the late 20th and 21st century -- could not get elected unless the Military-Industrial-Complex bribed them at some point in their career.

The protestors of today have much more challenges -- then the Anti-Vietnam protestors: because the warmongers purchased the whole show making media machine, and the political system itself -- but I'm sure the liberal/Progressives -- could still win.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 01:58 AM
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26. If the liberal movement is dead
If the liberal movement is dead then other than Wes Clark, how can progressives compete with an ideology that has a finely honed message that, as you said, is promoted by the few who own the media, regurgitated on a local level by activist preachers, spun by those in power, and in the end confusing the average person into believing all their lies?

This is no longer about the war. Before the wat there were the wedge issues and those got a lot of traction and still do that's why flipperMcCain and flopperMitt are stumbling over their own tongues revising their own history and words.


With out a movement, thinkers, writes, think tanks, and a coherent message to the public...well, winning is dicey.

I can also mention Katrina Vandenhueval- she is pretty bright and articulate and publishes a magazine.

At least the internet has given voice to progressive bloggers, by-passing the military-industrial-4th estate complex.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-21-07 09:15 AM
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27. Ah the intellectual crapper. You might as well post this:
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