Am I the only one who sees Hillary and similar to Lieberman?

[ButterflyBlood]

As far as I'm concerned, they're the same thing, whiny moralist Bush-enabling idiots who think fake blood in video games is much worse than real blood in Iraq. Sure Lieberman is going more out of his way to backstab the party now, but he didn't back when he was officially a Democrat.

I supported Lamont to remove Lieberman from the Senate. Unfortunately Lieberman stayed in through backstabbing the party. But we still nominated the right person and we should do the same thing in 2008, and not nominate a Lieberman as our pick for President.

[tridim]

1. Sen Clinton is a centrist Democrat, Joementum is a Bush Republican

I see no similarities whatsoever.

[Skidmore]

2. What's the difference?

[pnwmom]

15. Actually, Sen. Clinton's record is far more liberal than Lieberman's. n/t

[Forkboy]

23. That's not hard to do

:evilgrin:

[PassingFair]

39. Before he lost his primary...

he was defended here as adamantly as Hillary.

And for the same transgressions.

[apnu]

3. I agree with you, Hillary is a bad choice.

She's a lightening rod to the GOP that galvanizes their zombie horde. Even if, by some miracle, she wins the Presidancy, she'll be more hated and embattled that Big Dog. Plus she is DLC and they gotta go.

[SaveElmer]

4. My nomination...

For lamest post of the day...

[KingofNewOrleans]

8. It's still early eom

[Tellurian]

11. I'll 2nd that nomination..

as the lamest premise for sure!

[ihelpu2see]

13. You have to admit... Hillary has a lot of negatives and really is not progressive

enough.... I worked real hard for Lamont and I am not ready to get into 2008 choices yet. But the right and the moderate republicans would love to see Hillary as the Dem. nominee... she is viewed as able to be beaten, just like Dean in 2004 the right got the media to destroy him because he would have been difficult to beat...

[SaveElmer]

14. No I do not have to admit that...

Hillary's voting record is quite progressive...she votes the Democratic position 95% of the time. She gets top marks from labor, environmental, choice, and civil rights groups...and gets very low marks from anti-choice, anti-labor, and pro-business groups...

And the notion that the Republicans would like to see Hillary as the nominee is a left-wing meme developed to convince themselves she can't win...all evidence shows the exact opposite is true...

And in any case comparing her to Lieberman is not only wrong, but underhanded IMO...

[enough already]

37. Don't be so hard on yourself

[LoZoccolo]

5. Another similarity is that the Republicans really like Hillary Clinton as well.

They'd vote for her in a heartbeat. They had nothing but good things to say about her in the nineties.

[Tellurian]

12. Sure, thats why they persecuted her and Pres Clinton for 8yrs..eom

[DemBones DemBones]

20. They'd like her to be the nominee because they think they can beat her,

just like they did Kerry and Gore, with a little help from their friends at SCOTUS and DIebold. I think she will fight back, which Kerry and Gore didn't do enough of, but I don't know if it will work. Going against her is the no-more-dynastic-presidencies viewpoint and the women-shouldn't-be-president viewpoint. The question is how many likely Democratic voters have either of those viewpoints.

[SaneInSC]

6. I agree

[Orrex]

7. Lieberman's husband has never cheated on him

And I think that Joe is taller.

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[quinnox]

10. nah

Hillary is much smarter than Lieberman. Plus she isn't a jew like Lieberman is.

[Warpy]

16. Not quite

Sen. Clinton has a much more progressive voting record than Lieberman does. She's corporatist and feels a woman has to be pro war to succeed, but her record on labor issues and women's rights is superior to his.

Voting records and progressive ratings can be found at http://www.progressivepunch.org

[elehhhhna]

17. I see it, and the resemblence does NOT end with their hairdo's, either.

[AndreaCG]

18. Is Hillary making noise about becoming a Republican

like Lieberman has hinted to Time Magazine?

Enough said.

[sandnsea]

19. Lieberman actually has convictions

So from the standpoint, no, he and Hillary have nothing in common. I don't think Hillary is as far right as Lieberman, but you don't have to be that far right to still be wrong. She's still wrong on war, foreign policy, trade, and the economy. She won't promise health care in her first term because politics is more important than the people who are dieing. Her scorched earth politics are no better than the Republicans. It'd be a guaranteed 8 more years in the gutter.

[Forkboy]

21. Bingo

I hate Joe but at least I think he believes in what ha says at the end of the day.I think Hillary puts her finger in the air to test the winds before deciding what color panties to wear that day.

[kath]

40. Yep - CONSTANTLY with her finger in the air.

[Hippo_Tron]

33. Do you have a link to her statement about no health care until the second term

I'm not doubting you but I find it extremely hard to believe. Politically the best time to do that is early in the first term when you have political capital and a Democratic Congress which we will likely have in 2008.

[sandnsea]

35. It was at the Carson City 'debate'

In the form of a 'campaign promise' - she promised health care by the end of her SECOND term. I suspected we wouldn't have an attempt in her first term because of her last fiasco. She would have to know how easy it would be for the right to destroy any health care proposal and her presidency in the process. Seems to me she just confirmed it. I can't see anything positive coming from her Presidency. The 'first woman' just really isn't enough considering how much is at stake.

[enough already]

38. Bingo

You said it as well as I've heard anyone say it.

[Debs]

22. I dont know if you are alone

But I dont think Hillary is like Lieberman. She is a centrist Democrat, she always has been. She has never been a liberal and will most likely never be a liberal. For that reason only I am not that supportive of her but I have no animosity toward her. She is smart, she is tough. If she gets the nomination I will have no problem voting for her, at least no more of a problem than I would have voting for Biden. I dont really get the Hillary hatred. She isnt my cup of tea but I dont despiser her.

[CTD]

24. They have one thing very much in common

Their full unwavering allegiance to AIPAC. It's why they are both unrepentant war hawks with respect to both Iraq and Iran.

Fortunately, that's where the similarity ends. But that's bad enough to rule her out unconditionally in my book.

[NoPasaran]

25. "Hillary and similar to Lieberman?"

I'm not sure. I can't find my Gibberish-to-English dictionary to figure out what you're asking.

[ButterflyBlood]

28. bleh, typo

to late to fix. Hillary AS similar to Lieberman.

[NoPasaran]

34. I'll grant they're both carbon-based lifeforms

But beyond that, not so much. Lieberman voted FOR the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (the "Torture Bill"). Hillary Clinton voted AGAINST.

[mtnsnake]

26. No, you're not the only whiner. There are a few more if you look hard enough.

[Czolgosz]

27. I'm not a big fan of Hillary, Lieberman, Richardson, Biden, Vilsack, or any other DLCer, but with

that said, all of them are a hell of a lot better than ANY of the candidates for the Repub nomination.

Even as the wingnuts at freerepub wringing their hands about how their party's front-runners, Giuliani (at 29% in latest Iowa poll), McCain (22%), and Romney(9%), are "Godless libruls," you can compare any of them to Hillary, Lieberman, Richardson, Biden, and Vilsack, and there is no question that even the most conservative among our DLCer candidates is still head and shoulders better than Rudy McRomney.

[mopinko]

29. yup, never saw a RW frame that she didn't swallow whole

til i find a candidate who know how to turn those frames inside out, i am not hyped.
(someone like al.)

[DianaForRussFeingold]

30. I agree with you

Her record speaks for itself!

[Hippo_Tron]

31. Nope, Hillary is a Democrat, Joementum is not

Lieberman is entertaining the possibility of caucusing with the GOP if the Democrats do anything too drastic on Iraq. Joementum has gone into the league of Zell Miller and no real Democrat comes even close to those two.

[Dr Fate]

32. I see the DLC connection, yes. I also see how they both hate us grass-roots "upstarts." n/t

n/t

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

36. Yeah, in fact Lieberman won via a quirk

The GOP had no candidate and they found Lieberman to be at least tolerable, so they supported him instead of their own weak candidate.

Whereas in 2008, the Republicans hate Hillary Clinton even worse than alienated Democrats do, so they'd pick a tough opponent in this case and support their ticket enormously. Hillary is among the rarest of candidates-- one who's able to thoroughly alienate and disgust the bases of both major parties.

[Tigress DEM]

41. Don't trust her overmuch, but she isn't lip man.

Lieberman has his head right up *ush's ass.

Hil isn't *ush's anything. She is too cozy with big bidness which could be bad and she did drop her election protection legislation which made me wonder if the rethugs WANT her in office and if so why.

Thing is, I think she has the cajones to turn on them after elected and put the country back together. So I'd rather someone else got the nom, but if she gets it I'll vote for her and bring the tar and feathers if she doesn't do what needs to be done.

Lieberman is like a kid on the special bus making friends with the bullies to keep his lunch money. Hil talks them out of their lunch money and I don't like it but she just isn't as pathetic as jl.

[snowbear]

42. Some of the members of SmirkingChimp refer to her as....

...."a female version of Joe Lieberman"

No kidding.

I keep seeing a handful of DU'ers telling other DU'ers that they have to stop being so hard on her.. but truth be told, if they stroll the leftie sites (SmirkingChimp, KOS, MyDD, Political Cortex, etccccccccccc....)

The members here are actually quite cordial in comparison.

Seriously makes you wonder who's voting in these polls the media keeps releasing!