PAC for Hillary haters..

[k_jerome]

StopHillaryPAC...they have talking points and everything.

[JeffR]

1. why do you conflate opposing a Clinton candidacy with hatred?

[k_jerome]

2. when the "criticism" is the labeling of her as a corporate whore...

DLC pig, or her organization and/or followers are characterized as not being true white er... blue Democrats.

[ShortnFiery]

8. But she fully supported the Bankruptcy Bill in 2001.

Further having a fundraiser buddy named Rupert Murdoch is not too far of a stretch to *connect the dots.* :shrug:

[k_jerome]

10. Murdoch has donated to several Democrats, including John Kerry...

do the same dots apply?

[ShortnFiery]

17. Show me the reference?

If he did is was a piddle in the ocean compared to all his support for HRC.

[k_jerome]

20. yeah...a new excuse. nt.

[ShortnFiery]

26. No, I asked you for a site reference. It has been ESTABLISHED

all over the M$M that HRC had fund raising Big Bucks from Murdoch. Show me where Murdoch donated significant chump change to Kerry's Presidential Campaign?

[k_jerome]

27. bwahaha. it has been established that Kerry took money from Murdoch. lmao. nt.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. Question For You

Why is Mrs. Clinton, far-and-away, the largest recipient in Congress of big-money contributions, i.e., those not from average individuals?

[k_jerome]

12. please provide the source of your information. nt.

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Well Documented - For Example

Clinton top recipient of money from 27 industries

Are these nice people just hoping that Mrs. Clinton will do the right thing for the average Jill and Joe? That's what you're thinking?

[k_jerome]

25. traditionally Democratic industries supporting the top Democrat....

that unusual. you're right...she's no Democrat, I mean the top industry by far is lawyers/law firms...followed by, OMG, retired people. That is a huge industry.

So, lawyers, whose top 10 recipients are all Democrats, and retirees. Yeah, she's no Democrat. Yet you are.

[JeffR]

14. I don't like those pejoratives myself

and I think they're absurd. Having said that, I feel there are a lot of very legitimate criticisms she's wide open for, and I've been described as a "Hillary hater" for thinking that way.

Quite frankly, if someone on this or another website doesn't like "my" candidate (AL Gore, BTW - but he seems sincere about sitting this out) I really just don't care. It's all talk, and only that. I think the candidates can take care of themselves, frankly. If they can't, they shouldn't be running. No amount of heated debate on DU, FR or anywhere else is going to influence the course of the race. Which, BTW, is a hell of a long way off.

[Erika]

3. Because the Dems should promote all Dem candidates

The GOP are the ones to be criticized.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. No

Then we get the normal "sucks less than the other guy" candidate that we have to hold our nose for while voting. We've had those candidates for 30 years now, and our Nation has suffered mightily.

It's time for primaries that count. People should absolutely be held accountable for their votes and other documented actions.

[JeffR]

18. I seldom miss an opportunity to trash the GOP

but I don't have to like everyone who throws his or her hat into the ring simply because there's a (D) behind his or her name. Viz: Biden, Vilsack and, well, Clinton.

Not to compare Senator Clinton to Zell Miller, but if crazy ol' Zell started campaigning for the Democratic nomination, are you seriously suggesting that no-one would have a right to criticize him?

[Forkboy]

28. A tool is a tool regardless of party

[jobycom]

4. That's not in the OP, is that a running debate with the OPer?

hehe. I love that word. O P'er... hehehe... They need a beavisandbutthead smilie...

[ShortnFiery]

5. Isn't that EXACTLY what the Bush-Bots revert to whenever there's any criticism

of Dear Leader? IMO, not a good habit to pick up on the tactics of the Right Wing. :(

[MethuenProgressive]

11. I don't "oppose" a Clinton candidacy, I propose a Clark one!

You won't find me quoting the corny AM radio hate-speech aimed at her.
I rather talk up my candidate than talk down yours.

[JeffR]

21. That's fair

though if you don't like Al Gore and want to talk him down, it wouldn't make any difference to me. I'm sorta hoping Clark will run, FWIW. I like him.

[oasis]

6. The anti- Hillary mob can split their donations between "Stop Hill" and

any Democrat who embraces their pet issue. :bounce:

Everybody happy now?:party:

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Sorry, That's For Republicans

I belong to the Democratic party - as in the DLC - you remember, the one which HillShill Carville claimed suffered a defeat of "Rumsfeldian" proportions in the '06 elections?

We Democrats believe and hope that by articulating true Democratic values, like defending the Middle Class against the Predator Class, we can have a real Democrat win the White House.

[k_jerome]

13. thanks for making my point. nt.

[longship]

16. I oppose Hillary. I do not hate her.

I reject your artificial dichotomy. Either you support Hillary, or you hate her? That's an extremely argumentative way of putting things. Sounds like something Cheney would come up with.

I just don't agree with Hillary politically. I like her as a Senator. But I really do not like her patent equivocation on her IWR vote. It's amongst the sleaziest, smarmiest political jargon I've ever heard from a candidate. It's hurting her very, very badly to respond to those questions like she is. This is the saddest thing about her candidacy, that she seems intent on self-destructing on this very simple issue.

There are many of us here who could support her if she only would only answer questions on the Iraq war directly, succinctly, without equivocation and without changing the subject.

After all, it's only the most important political issue at this time.

And this is precisely why I cannot support her and why I will not support her. As long as she continues her equivocations on Iraq she's not going to gain the nomination. There are too many Democrats who see through her cloud of obstructional responses.

For christ sakes, all she has to do is tell us her position on the Iraq war. Just the fact that she refuses is enough to take her out of the running.

[illinoisprogressive]

22. Carvelle alluded to the fact that it was the Clintons behind the coup attempt

on dean. The clintons want to control this party and run it as their personal mafia. threatening donors, trying to derail the dnc and make the dlc the democratic party head. Hillary is in good with Lieberman and there are just alot of things that have almost wrecked this party. Lost our identity.
I don't think because Bill was president it gives him and hillary the right to run it as their own personal organization their way.
Besides, it's way past time for them to retire from the stage and move on to another life like all the other presidents and their families have done.

[ShortnFiery]

24. "My Husband" IMO that HRC too often refers to in stump speeches started this TRIANGULATION

to the Center.

I guess you'd have to thank my "all for the Democratic Party centrists" husband for convincing me to cast my second vote for Bill Clinton as our President. :shrug: I was so damn sick of his floating to the center type positions while the right wing and hate radio MADE those positions further and further to the Political RIGHT.

Moderate / Centrist Democrats today, especially those folks from the DLC and The Third Way would have been Moderate to Liberal Republicans in the 60s and 70s.

Why do you think that she was a Goldwater Girl?

Thanks to all these CENTRIST positions while the Republicans tack right, our precious Country has shredded The Bill of Rights. Part of the reason that Dear Leader pulled this off is too many "middle of the road" Democratic Senators did not want to make waves.

It's time for our Democratic Politicians to support The Working People BEFORE their Corporate Sponsors. Not leftist ---> populist politicians. Voting for social conservative issues that are PERSONAL and FAMILY matters (Pro-Birth, Pandering to Evangelicals) is NOT serving the people of America.

Our Democratic Party has been RULED by centrists for over a decade. They are killing the Middle Class of America by doling out all the wealth to the Corporations while kissing up to the Social Conservatives. :grr:

We need politicians who place Their Country over Their Political Careers. If not that lofty goal, at least we should DEMAND representatives of good character who will take the tough stands against Corporate America. HRC is the consummate triangulating politician. We don't need more of the same. :(

[Forkboy]

23. GD:Politics 101

Any criticism of preferred candidate = hate.

Next.

[proud patriot]

29. I'm going to lock this

blatant flamebait

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