Man, no love for Clark from Kos in the latest Dem Cattle Call.

[More Than A Feeling]

10. Wesley Clark

He's not even in the race, has no operation, and his public profiles is fading as the rest of the field takes center stage. This is the last time I include him in either the straw poll or cattle call unless he announces. He's bleeding support in the Daily Kos straw poll as people lose interest and move to other candidates. Given that his big mistake in 2003 was wait too long before entering the race, it's crazy to think that he's going to make the same mistake again (and the race is definitely accelerated this year). So I'm starting to assume he's not going to run.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/22/18131/0479

Harsh assessment, but is it accurate, do you think?

[snowbear]

1. Link? (That's only a snippet of a quote)

General Clark always does well on the KOS polls..

Where's the rest of the link?

[More Than A Feeling]

2. There ya go, sorry 'bout that. n/t

[snowbear]

3. KOS makes it clear the list isn't his -- he's going by media buzz and.........

he also includes the most recent KOS poll in that article..

2008: 2/6 straw poll results
by kos
Wed Feb 07, 2007 at 03:24:44 PM PST
dKos Reader Poll. 2/6. 25,514 respondents (as of 2.7.07 3 p.m. PT)

2007 2006 2005
Feb Jan Dec Jul May Mar Jan Nov Sep Aug Jul

Edwards 26 35 28 15 8 7 8 12 10 7 7
Obama 25 28 28
Clark 14 17 26 17 15 15 22 26 34 35 34
Other 8 * * 3 6 3 6 2 3 4 4
Richardson 6 5 4 2 1 2 3 5 3 4 4
No F'ing Clue 6 * * 3 4 6 6 6 6 9 13
Kucinich 4
H. Clinton 4 4 5 2 2 2 3 6 8 9 10
Vilsack 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Biden 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 3 3
Dodd 0 0 0 0 0
Gravel 0 0 0

~~~ According to the KOS poll, there's still plenty of love for General Clark --

[Tinksrival]

4. My 2 cents

I love Wes and Gert. They are the reason I got so involved in politics. (besides my seething hatred for *)
Right now the General is torn. He knows once he declares he is a politician everything he says is political, and words don't have the same weight.
Right now he is trying to work the foreign policy angle because America is in danger and the danger is Bush. We still have 22 months for the idiot in chief to kill more Innocent people.
I trust General Clark to know how he can best serve his country in the next months ahead. It's a damn shame if he is not running, he is the exact leadership we will need to clean up after jr.
I fear this country would rather watch a train wreck than face reality. Smith, Spears, and O'Reily. They probably want their politicians train wrecks also. If Clinton, McCain, Obama keep it up it will be an MSM wet dream. :(

[Tom Rinaldo]

5. It's a bit ironic

Clark's personal Diary has been on the kos Recommend list all day, as was the Iran kos Diary Clark did on the 22nd which got well over 800 comments. When Marcos mentions Clark's fading public profile he obviously forgot to look at his own site.

I think many of the highest profile net bloggers have been lightly seduced into the lifestyle of professional pundits being courted full time by the big money campaign operations. They are learning to be dismissive of the opinions of the people whose support put them into those roles to begin with. Kos is certainly not speaking for kossacks with his statement.

It would be perfectly legitimate for kos to cut Clark out of his cattle call if he only wants announced candidates in it. It is silly beyond belief to include Clark anyway, but then place him below Sharpton for example in his rankings. The only way Sharpton can claim to have a better chance of becoming the Democratic nominee over Clark is if Clark stated he would refuse that nomination if offered to him.

All kos was essentially saying here is that he doesn't believe that Wes Clark is running. In fact he ended his comments on Clark with this: "...So I'm starting to assume he's not going to run". Sure, if Clark doesn't run he has no chance of winning the nomination. And for another amazing prediction, the sun is likely to rise again tomorrow morning.

Meanwhile, even though Wes Clark has not announced his candidacy, in the most recent national 2008 political poll, just released by Quinnipiac, it looks like this:

DEMOCRATS............Tot Men Wom
Clinton...............38 33 42
Obama.................23 25 21
Gore..................11 14 8
Edwards.................6 7 6
Clark...................2 3 1
Richardson..............2 1 2
Biden...................1 2 1
Kucinich................1 1 1
Dodd...................... - - -
Vilsack................... - - -
Someone else............1 1 1
Wouldn't vote...........1 1 1
Don't know..............13 11 14

In other words Clark is still polling above everyone in the field other than the current break out big three front runners and Al Gore. I am not claiming that is wildly impressive, but it ain't bad for someone who isn't even running yet, still edging out the entire second tier of 2008 announced candidates.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1019

[snowbear]

6. You can sure tell that these national polls are still going by NAME RECOGNITION alone!

Hillary Clinton (for example) at MyDD comes in after Obama, Edwards, Richardson and Clark .. http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/2/17/193557/067

And at KOS --- with over 25,000 people voting --- she comes in after both Kucinich and "No fucking clue"!!

[Sparkly]

16. So mush for "the rest of the field takes center stage."

Looks like Vilsack has jumped into the orchestra pit, and Richardson, Biden, Kucinich and Dodd haven't yet made their entrances -- and these are the announced candidates!

It's SO early the whole discussion is meaningless at this point! Fine, let Kos stamp his foot with impatience. He can hold his breath until he turns blue -- it won't hurry up the process.

If Clark's "public profiles is fading" (sic) as a member of the candidates list, I think that's fine during this phase of candidates damaging each other, risking overexposure, and adding little to the public discourse on policy (Kucinich excepted, perhaps). His "public profile" is alive and well from the important things he's DOing.

And, if the General decides not to run, this early fighting may still bode well for people like Dodd and Richardson in the same way, imho.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Kos sold his soul to the CW company store.....

But then, what else is new? Sometimes folks become legends trapped in their own minds.

And like Tom mentioned, some forget how they got to be where they are..... :shrug:

[blm]

17. Yeah, but money changes everything. And the money is being spread.

.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Jeez, kinda early to close the gate, isn't it?

I know many of us are hoping for a dark horse to jump in.

[Auntie Bush]

10. Would Clark be a white horse or a dark horse? n/t

[AtomicKitten]

11. Hmmmm, a conundrum.

Both? :)

[Auntie Bush]

12. I dob't think he's look too great riding on a dark brown and white spotted pinto.

I think he'll ride in on a white horse and save this nation...and all us females will love to be saved by him. :bounce: :loveya:

[incapsulated]

9. Fuck the what??

Are you fucking kidding me, we are like less than 2 months in and already purging people unless they jump up to say "me too" immediately?

Fuck Kos.

I don't know if Wes is gonna run but this is bullshit.

[Clarkie1]

13. You forgot the most important part....

"But what do I know?" -Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/22/18131/0479

[Adelante]

14. kos makes these pronouncements

If Wes runs, it will change.

[dazzlerazzle]

15. wes clark intelligent and impressive

There should be a defense secretary positon for him when we win the presidency.