No One Dare Criticize Hillary Clinton

[Purveyor]

There's a new mortal sin in American politics: criticizing Hillary Clinton.

Nobody's allowed to do it.

Certainly none of her opponents. If they dare to, Hillary sends in one of her boys, who practically accuses them of being un-American.

In January, without ever mentioning Hillary's name and before she was even a candidate, John Edwards dared to express the view that silence on the Iraq War was "betrayal." Ignoring the substance of Edwards' speech, Clinton gun slinger Howard Wolfson immediately shot from the hip, attacking him for waging a negative campaign:

"In 2004, John Edwards used to constantly brag about running a positive campaign. Today, he has unfortunately chosen to operate his campaign with political attacks on Democrats who are fighting the Bush administration's Iraq policy."

If you like the idea of censorship of critical political speech, you'll love Hillary Clinton as President.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/no_one_dare_criticize_hillary.html

[jobycom]

1. You're fucking quoting fucking DICK MORRIS????

[babylonsister]

2. Stopped watch and all of that. Even Tweety brought this up; it's their

way or else?

[jobycom]

7. I know this is my fault and not yours, but

I can't figure out what you are saying! :) What do you mean "stopped watch" and which part did Tweety bring up? And do you mean Tweety/Morris's way or else, or Hillary/someone else or else? Frankly, Tweety is in the same category to me as Morris--Republicans running sabotage.

[babylonsister]

20. A stopped watch is right twice a day, so Morris could be also.

Tweety interviewed Clinton's press guy yesterday, and he bashed anyone who might have a word of criticism for her. It's their shot across the bow and it's not working because Matthews called them on it today; it's okay for them to bash but not to accept it? :crazy:

[Erika]

25. That's politics

A healthy interchange between rivals. We don't need the hate Hillary posts here.

[babylonsister]

30. Geeze, you, too? I didn't say anything about hating Clinton, for cryin' out loud. nt

[illinoisprogressive]

3. Not Morris. It's a fact. Her spokesman said as much.

she is not to be criticized or questioned. She can do whatever to whoever but, no one is allowed to hit back. Bull. obama will fight the witch

[ronnykmarshall]

8. OOooooo

Just side stepped calling her a bitch.

How noble of you.

Fuck this shit.

This place is turning into a fucking dump.

[jobycom]

No kidding.

Although I think that is part of the plan. Send enough plants here to piss the legite Democrats off, so they will leave.

[babylonsister]

Sorry, ronnykmarshall, but it's the truth. Read this all the way through:

Wolfson's slick, but it's said if not implied.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17278084/

MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL.

Hillary Clinton seems to have a strategy: nobody gets to criticize her. This morning at 9:38 a.m., her communications director put out a statement accusing Senator Obama of being responsible for, quote, “vicious attacks.” The alleged attacks were quotes in a Maureen Dowd column by Hollywood entertainment mogul David Geffen, a former Clinton supporter who was backing Obama this time.

So where‘s the vicious? Here‘s what Geffen said in the article. Quote, “I think Republicans think Hillary‘s the easiest to defeat. I don‘t think anybody believes that in the last six years, all of a sudden Bill Clinton has become a different person. It‘s not a very big thing to say, ‘I made a mistake‘ on the war, and typical of Hillary Clinton that she can‘t. I don‘t think that another incredibly polarizing figure, no matter how smart she is and no matter how ambitious she is—and God knows, is there anybody more ambitious than Hillary Clinton? -- can bring the country together. Everybody in politics lies, but the Clintons do it with such ease, it‘s troubling.”

Howard Wolfson is communications director for the Clinton campaign.

You find that all vicious, I guess.

HOWARD WOLFSON, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, CLINTON CAMPAIGN: I find it unacceptable political discourse, yes.

MATTHEWS: So what do you want the other side to do, speaking for your candidate?

WOLFSON: Well, our expectation was that Senator Obama, who was running a campaign premised on changing our politics, who has decried the politics of slash and burn, would denounce the comments, say that these comments don‘t represent his thinking or his campaign. We were, frankly, surprised that he didn‘t do that. It makes you wonder whether or not he agrees with them.

It‘s a little ironic that the candidate on one day would say, “I want to change America. I want to change politics. I want to lift us up. I want to stop the politics of slash and burn,” while at the same time his leading supporter in California is attacking the president and Senator Clinton in very personal terms.

MATTHEWS: Senator Clinton was on, discussing this today out in Nevada, and she said it was the politics of personal destruction. Is that your view as her communications director?

WOLFSON: I think that we can have differences of opinion over policy. I hope the Democrats will stay united and mostly focus on winning in November of ‘08, but obviously, there will be some differences on policy.

But when you start getting into personal charges against people and you make personal insults against the candidate and the candidate‘s spouse, I think that‘s going too far. I think the American people will think that‘s going too far.

And I‘m surprised, as I said, that a candidate whose campaign is premised on changing politics, who‘s campaign is premised on hope and changing—supposedly premised on hope and changing and getting rid of the politics of slash and burn wouldn‘t just disavow these comments. It makes you wonder whether or not he agrees with them and whether or not the campaign put Mr. Geffen up to this.

lots more...

[ShortnFiery]

61. Oh my, isn't that how the right wingers acted right after 9/11 to any criticism

of our Dear Leader? Not a good tactic to play on Democrats NOW.

Bush Haters! Hillary Haters! Do the people who censure us about this have something in common? Want us to roll over for tummy rubs?

[jobycom]

10. Show me.

Show me an exact quote from a reliable source where Hillary's spokes"man" said she is not to be criticized or questioned.

Or else go to FreeRepublic where you belong.

[ronnykmarshall]

13. No shit joby!

Damn! We come full circle from our Tom Cruise days, huh?

SEE! Hillary IS a uniter!!!

[jobycom]

16. I was thinking that, too.

Nice to be on the same side, on something that actually matters. :hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

18. Smooch!

[jobycom]

19. Back at ya!

[Erika]

12. "The witch?" Just another hate Hillary post

I hope the mods stop these.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. Let's hope huh?

[oasis]

15. "witch" huh?. Now there's the brand of Hillary "criticism" that we're used to at DU.

:eyes:

[k_jerome]

28. the "witch"....not even the bravery of your fellow haters. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

4. What the fuck is this shit?

The 2004 primary season was a cake walk compared to this fucking bull shit.

[Forkboy]

21. You gotta be kidding me

DU ain't even warmed up yet.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. And it's only Feb and SEVEN

God help us.

[Forkboy]

37. Yep...get your protective gear now!

[Erika]

5. Another Hate Hillary post

quoting Dick Morris, the adulterer and toe sucker?

[AtomicKitten]

6. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

If it's Clinton-bashing, any source will do. We all know perfectly well what others would do if this kind of dubious sourced hit piece was posted on "their" guy. Sheeeesh. Fingers would be broken hitting the alert.

[ronnykmarshall]

No shit atomcat

These fuckers don't give a god damn rats ass. I'm sure there will be quotes from fucking Ann Coulter next.

I am so fucking pissed off right now.

[Erika]

22. I hope the mods stop these hate Hillary posts

Why don't these people go somewhere else. This is democraticundergound.

[Colobo]

31. And all members of the Democratic Party support Hillary, right?

I mean, we are in the beginning of a primary campaign, and these kinds of threads are inevitable, especially when we are talking about such an important and, yes, polarizing figure like Hillary.

Look, I agree this is getting out of hand, and I wish people would just calm down a bit. It doesn't seems like it will happen, though.

[Erika]

35. We love all the Dem candidates

We're so lucky to have the field we do versus the pathetic GOP line up.

[Colobo]

41. True, we do have a superb lineup

However, as you have probably noticed, there are many people here that simply dislike or, in some cases, hate Hillary. She's my 5th option right now, and would vote for her in the General Election if she is the nominee. I think she is a good, capable person and politician.

[ronnykmarshall]

39. Lemme tell ya

I LOVE Obama.

And I'll be fucking PROUD to support him if he's our nominee ... and if it gets to it later in 2008 and Hillary isn't out. You can bet the farm, I'd vote for him in the California primary.

BUT. I love Hillary Clinton and I wasn't going to get all up in anyone face about my support of her ... BUT this fucking bullshit has made me a big ass Hilster booster now.

You will NEVER see me attack ANY Democratic candidate for president. But because of this horse shit ... I'm standing up and saying ... I'm a Hillary supporter and I've changed my sig line just because of this fucking thread.

[AtomicKitten]

42. you go, girl

I feel EXACTLY the same way. This bashing has made me stand up and defend her.

NO MORE.

[Erika]

45. Obama is great! n/t

[Colobo]

56. Amen! I'm with you

I respect Senator Clinton and I have a positive image of her. She's not in my top 3, but I'll vote for her if she's the nominee. She doesn't deserve the hatred she's getting over here, that's for sure.

I'm glad to see you like Obama, though.

[AtomicKitten]

24. this sourcing would send some into a tailspin

They would have this thread locked in 3-seconds flat if it was about you-know-who.

Jeez, the hypocrisy in this place reeks sometimes.

[Forkboy]

40. Possibly...just possibly...there are no mods around at the moment

Nahhhh...they're just biased against Hillary I bet.They can't possibly have lives or anything better to do than clean up GDP messes.

Something reeks...but it isn't the mods hypocrisy.

[Name removed]

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[Erika]

51. Go Atomic Kitten!

Maybe admin needs to stop this hate Hillary garbage.

[AtomicKitten]

59. If DU isn't going to enforce rules

fairly across the board - for ALL the Democrats - then we just have to call bullshit on it until they do. I think they have just responded to the biggest whiners until now.

[Forkboy]

52. Now there's a post the mods should deal with

And I thought we were getting along swimmingly. :(

and the way you assholes bash HRC is OVER.

It's over when a candidate is picked for the general.I know you wish you made the rules but you dont.Quit weeping and deal.

[AtomicKitten]

53. there's a mod for you - you can whine to him directly

[Forkboy]

60. Who here is whining?

Seems to me the ones whining are the ones complaining about the mods being biased.That would be YOU by the way.

Who are you going to run to when the repubs attack.Mommy the moderator wont be there.

[k_jerome]

47. Clark? nt.

[AtomicKitten]

49. guess again

They patrol these boards like a prison yard.

[k_jerome]

50. ahh. ok. got ya. nt.

[ShortnFiery]

54. Man, I can just envision that HRC may just think exactly like you.

Oh she's a warrior alright. Too bad all her money and "attack strategies" will not BUY her constituents. She's one hell of a polarizing figure. I both liked and respected her way back when she was The First Lady, but she has changed ... in an arrogant way. Her haughty sense of entitlement is very disconcerting. Perhaps she's more in line with the Moderate Republicans and should follow Joe Lieberman? Hell, perhaps she should run with Lieberman as her running mate. I think they could TRIANGULATE well together. :shrug:

Rupert Murdock and host more fundraisers.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml

[k_jerome]

62. shes gotten kinda.....uppity huh? nt.

[Erika]

9. We need to quit eating our own

Hopefully, the mods will step in. Quoting the toe sucker as a source? That's really low.

[ronnykmarshall]

11. And the assholes that post this shit ...

should be fucking kicked off.

[Erika]

14. Agreed.

C'mon mods.

[w4rma]

23. Here are more sources than you can shake a stick at.

MR. RUSSERT: You talked about silence is betrayal, and you’re urging your other candidates to step forward and clearly enunciate their views on the war in Iraq. The Clinton campaign responded this way: “ ‘In 2004, John Edwards used to constantly brag about running a positive campaign. Today, he has unfortunately chosen to open his campaign with political attacks on Democrats who are fighting the Bush administration’s Iraq policy,’ said Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16903253/

BLITZER: Here is what Howard Wolfson, a senior adviser to Senator Clinton, said, reacting to what you said at the church on Sunday: "In 2004, John Edwards used to constantly brag about running a positive campaign. Today, he has unfortunately chosen to open his campaign with political attacks on Democrats who are fighting the Bush administration's Iraq policy" -- strong words from a senior adviser to Senator Clinton.
http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/1/16/124458/804

Clinton spokesperson Howard Wolfson certainly took Edwards' remarks as an attack on Clinton, striking back as follows: “In 2004 John Edwards used to constantly brag about running a positive campaign. Today, he has unfortunately chosen to open his campaign with political attacks on Democrats who are fighting the Bush administration’s Iraq policy.”
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jan/15/dem_primary_begins_clinton_edwards_trade_blows_over_iraq

[Erika]

29. A healthy interchange between rivals.

No need for the hate Hillary posts. I do hope the mods stop this nonsense.

[oasis]

33. Wolfson calls bs on John Edwards' "betrayal" comment. How does that

bolster the OP's argument?

[k_jerome]

26. Dick Morris? Here is your brethren Hillary haters. bwahahaha. nt.

[Erika]

32. Yeah, right here on DU

Why don't the haters of Dem candidates go where they may be more comfortable. They would rather criticize Dems than the GOPs.

[k_jerome]

36. i have no problem with criticism. these guys don't even have the smarts..

to cover their motives. i mean, Dick Morris? that is plain stupid.

[Erika]

38. Yeah, Quoting Dick Morris to hate Hillary

isn't something considered normal to democrats. Uh?

[MethuenProgressive]

34. She's doing what we wanted Kerry to do. But she's a girl...

...and isn't that why she's really hated so much? The Fear of Females has many here (and elsewhere shaking in their hobnailed boots...

[w4rma]

48. No. She's doing to Democrats what we wanted Kerry to do against Republicans. (nt)

[MethuenProgressive]

55. No. Obama's doing to her what he said he wouldn't do.

Our candidates need to tell us why we should vote FOR them, not why we should vote AGAINST the other guy. I might be rethinking Obama as Calrk's VP...

[Colobo]

57. How in the world is he doing that?

[Erika]

58. Now you're downing Obama?

How many real democrats are on DU. I love everyone of the candidates?

[niyad]

43. and yet, what is it that you, and all the other negative posters are doing?

[Forkboy]

44. There has to be a better source than this....seriously

:puke:

[mvd]

63. Locking

This thread is now filled with flames and mod callouts.

mvd
DU Moderator