A question about the HRC 'I've dealt with bad men' "joke".

[Stinky The Clown]

(NOTE: This is an honest question and is being posed in an honest effort to learn more. If you want to boost or cut down HRC, do it in your own thread, NOT mine.)

I heard again today, from Tweety on Hairballz, that just as sure as god made green apples, HRC was referring to to WJC in that remark she made a few weeks ago about having experience 'dealing with bad men'.

I heard the remark before it stared getting discussed. My own take was that she meant men like Richard Mellon Sciafe and Ken Starr and Richard Whitehead and Newt Gingrich, or any one or several of a whole host of right wing cutthroats and thugs. When the line got a laugh, I think she *then* saw it as having been taken as meaning WJC and just went along with that since, in the end, it was really just a throwaway line. And then there was the followup and she said something about making a joke and not being criticized for being stiff .... or something ..... again ..... just campaign trail throwaway stuff.

But in her heart, at the time, it **seemed** to me she was not poking fun at Bill at all.

This isn't important unless, since it seems to be a lingering issue for some pundits, it grows some legs.

I'd really like to hear the thoughts of some of her supporters on this specific issue. While I'm neutral on her candidacy, if this turns out to be the start of a shitstorm, I want to know the truth.

[NMDemDist2]

1. she knows hard hard it is to keep a dog under the porch

:rofl:

it's a nothing and I doubt it'll grow enough legs to matter in the next year before the primaries

and while I'm not totally on Ms Clinton's bandwagon, unless my other two guys jump in (Gore or Clark) she'll probably get my support

I voted for Geraldine Ferraro too.....

[Bitwit1234]

2. It is a shame that Hillary Clinton can not overcome the republican swiftboating

she has received for 15 years. The republican party has really done a number on her. A lot of democrats listened to the drumbeat for so long they are constantly panning her. My brother won't vote for a woman for anthing. He does not believe that woman should be sports caster, weather people, or news anchors. And he is forever talking about her. BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN. And I know that a lot of men out there would rather vote for a republican than vote for a woman (or a black) and it is a shame. Her proposals are just as good as Edwards, Obamas, Dodd and the rest of the democrat candidates. But like I said even the democrats are panning her. The people of New York know what she can do for them, the re-elected her overwhelmingly didn't they. But the rabid woman haters out there are set to vote against her.

[supernova]

3. I think she was talking about RMS

et al,

Big Dawg is not a bad man, just a weak-willed one. There's no malice in him.


edit: I think her comment was really more a comment on the asker's naivete about what she's dealt with over the years; rather than a comment on the men in her life.

[Bucky]

4. this non-incident reminds me of the time Gore invented the internet, or maybe...

that time Bill Clinton said "I feel your pain," or that time Dean spazzed out in Iowa, or that time Kerry flipflopped on a dozen different issues, or of how John Edwards was a Breck girl, or even way back when Michael Dukakis polluted Boston Bay.

Media does crap. Maybe they crap on Republicans, too, but I mostly notice that they crap on us. But yes, you're right, Stinky; this little comment the senator made isn't important at all. If they didn't have this almost-joke around to distort and try to belittle a powerful woman and sully her husband's name, they would find some other innocuous detail to try and beat up the Clintons up. They'll take turns beating all our candidates up.

Taking every effort to debunk this crap will help all our candidates. We need to practice fighting back against the anti-liberal smear machine.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. You're absolutely right ........

.... and that's why I'm asking. These fuckers do it to us every damned time. And we let them cuz we don't take it seriously when it first starts.

[sandnsea]

5. Doesn't really matter

Bill's infidelity would be an issue in a Hillary campaign, no two ways about it.

[Orangepeel]

7. I don't think this will be an issue because Bill won't make it one

I'm neutral (to maybe slightly negative) on her candidacy as well. Also, I agree with you that she wasn't talking about Bill, heard the laughter, and went with it.

Anyway, I don't think this will be a shitstorm. Compare it, to, for example, Kerry's "troop" joke. He was talking about bush, it came out wrong, and people said he was dissing the troops. He had a hard time getting over it because self righteous windbags and the media fanned the flames. It won't work that way in this case.

First, there's no one to get angry. No one can be indignant on Bill's behalf if he's not indignant himself. Second, I don't think the media drooling over it reminding people about Bill's lack of fidelity will really hurt. No one forgot that (as if Jay Leno, et al. would let them!) and most people don't care.

[blm]

8. I'm not a supporter for Hillary, but , no way was she talking about her husband. I believe she meant

other leaders and dictator types. This is a stupid nonstory, but, so was the dropped pronoun. I'll show Hillary more consideration than she showed for that nonstory.

[Alamom]

9. I thought she meant all the little dogs who have been biting at their feet. NOT Big Dawg.n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

10. No Hillary fan here...

...but from the time I first heard the "joke," I assumed she was talking about Ken Starr and the Repubs who pushed the impeachment thing. I was kind of shocked actually when everybody assumed it was Bill she was talking about. Maybe she just left it tantalizingly ambiguous so that people could read whatever they wanted to into her comment.