I'm tired of this Vast Left Wing Conspiracy against Senator Clinton!

[burythehatchet]

DAMN IT!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/the-chickens-come-home-to_b_41967.html

Who is James Carville damaging most with his blundering fundraising pitch - his candidate, his party, or his network? His line - "Hillary won't back down, and we've got her back" - is the perfect holographic image of everything that is wrong with her candidacy. It wraps self-centeredness, poor judgment, and political tone-deafness into nine compact words.

It's Louis XIV politics - "le parti, c'est moi" - combined with Marie Antoinette selfishness. And it's certainly helpful to be reminded that Hillary's the type of politician who "won't back down" when they make a bad decision. Just what we need: Another politician who's too stubborn to admit they were wrong. As if eight years of the last one wasn't enough.

Well done, James. Now go home.

Hillary's back? We're supposed to worry about covering Hillary's back? What part of the phrase "public service" don't Hillary and James understand? Leaders are supposed to cover our backs, not the other way around. In Hillary's case, she should have been watching the backs of our troops in Iraq for the past four years, instead of being so concerned about her own.

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CARVILLE ROCKS......WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!

[babylonsister]

1. "he's... demonstrating why he is the most over-rated political operative of the last forty years"

Whoa. I'll drink to that. I approve this message! :toast:

[journalist3072]

8. I think some folks seem to be forgetting

The MAJOR role he played in the Democratic victory in 1992. He does know what it takes to win elections.

[fedupinBushcountry]

9. Clinton got 43% of the vote

Perot was the MAJOR player in that win.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. Do you have any evidence

that Perot helped Clinton?

All the analyses I've seen indicate that he took equally from Bush and Clinton, running as a center-candidate.

Every analysis says Clinton would've won without Perot in the contest.

[primative1]

12. Hmm ..

You must not have seen very much analysis then.
I think it was pretty much shown that Perot votes came 3-1 from Poppy's total. Payback from fiscal consevatives for the "read my lips" thing.

[MonkeyFunk]

13. well

http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm

Analysis: Perotís vote totals in themselves likely did not cause Clinton to win. Even if all of these states had shifted to Bush and none of Bushís victories had been reversed (as seems plausible, in fact, as Bush won by less than 5% only in states that a Republican in a close election could expect to carry, particularly before some of the partisan shifts that took place later in the 1990s ñ Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Dakota and Virginia), Clinton still would have won the electoral college vote by 281 to 257. But such a result obviously would have made the race a good deal closer.


It's a good article, you can read the whole thing. I'm looking for one that shows that Perot gave Clinton the win, but haven't found one yet.

[paulk]

16. that's just not true

it gets posted all the time, but polling at the time showed that Clinton would have still won if Perot hadn't been running.

[Milo_Bloom]

14. A dog could've won that for Dems

Leading the Democrats to victory after 12 years of GOP rule had led the country into a horrid recession isn't a "great victory".

The fact that he sold the farm in the process of doing it is the sad part.

[burythehatchet]

2. and the best part is she is in no position to cut him loose

given how closely they are identified. OOO OOO I know Hil, hire Mary Matalin!!!

[Warren Stupidity]

3. And bring Morris and Gergen back in too.

Having those moles and wreckers inside worked so well the last time.

[burythehatchet]

6. Even Hil wouldn't be THAT tone deaf

Morris is a vaudevillian clown for the 21st century.

[Lerkfish]

4. aside from this instance, why are we getting this crap now? Lieberman, Bush, etc.

public service is the last thing on these bozo's minds. Its all ego.

I'd have a LOT more confidence in any candidate the simply asked what the public wanted, and then said "ok, let's figure out how to get there".

[burythehatchet]

5. Lerkfish, your comment is dead on target

I have said for the last 10 years that our true leader will be someone who finds him/herself being pushed to lead. That leader will be a reluctant leader. His/her leadership will leave him/her no choice but to assume the mantle because the people will demand it.

[Tellurian]

7. Draft aside...Nobody is going to push Al Gore if he doesn't want to run..

It will be his decision alone, not yours or anyone elses.

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[election_2004]

15. Carville

The more I hear the continuous shit that spews out of his mouth, the more I come to despise him and wish the very worst for him.

[k_jerome]

17. uhoh...another self-proclaimed lefty out to make his bones....git 'em OG. nt.

[Arugula Latte]

18. I love the way they're trying to bludgeon us into submission to support Hillary.

It ain't workin' for me ...

[Forkboy]

19. It didn't work when a lot of the Kerry supporters tried it last time either.

You'd think people would get that most Dems don't like orders and don't just fall in line like good little soldiers,and resent those that act as the drill sargeants.

If I wanted to be a sycophant I'd be a Republican.