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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 05:49 PM
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Capital (Madison, Wis) Times: US Redemption Mandates Impeachment of Bush
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 05:49 PM by marmar
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US Redemption Mandates Impeachment of Bush
by Mike Konopacki/Kathy Wilkes

The war in Iraq gets worse every day. Americans want to end it, but how? Cut and run? Partition the country? Bring in the U.N.?

We've heard the politicians' spin, but it seems that's all they do. And as they spin and bob and weave and cover their political behinds, people continue to suffer and die.

We sent politicians a message in the 2006 election. We have their attention. Now is the time for us - as citizens, as voters - to capitalize on our clout and tell them what they must do: impeach, convict, imprison. It's the only way we can begin to end the war.

Unless the Bush regime is stopped, Iraq will get even worse. We might also end up in a deadly conflict with Iran. Bush & Co. have already deployed the same scare tactics they used to launch their illegal war against Iraq. Yes, illegal. It's not a "mistake" or "blunder." It's a crime, a violation of U.S. and international laws. No one's being prosecuted for it. It can happen again.

President Bush said he takes "responsibility" for "mistakes" in Iraq. So what? No one's holding him accountable; he can go on and make more "mistakes." Illegal war, warrantless wiretaps, "extraordinary rendition," torture - all illegal, all unpunished. Bush et al. are literally getting away with murder. It's the perfect crime. ......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0224-26.htm





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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 05:54 PM
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1. Yup.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 05:56 PM
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2. Leave it to those damn Hippies in Madison ...
:hippie: :applause: :evilgrin:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:02 PM
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3. the Cap Times is my saving grace
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:04 PM
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4. I completely agree
By not impeaching and convicting Bush and Cheney, we have lost the right to ever impeach another president again. I can think of no other president who has committed such gross violations of U.S. and international law, and who has even bragged about it. What more would it take for the Congress to act? Would Bush have to kill a baby in public, captured on t.v., and then drink the baby's blood? Even then, I can imagine people like Lieberman agreeing with the act, and threatening to change parties if Bush's impeachment meant ending the war in Iraq.

What have we become, as a people? How much longer will we permit our politicians to remain deaf to our wishes? Do we really want to be known, not as a beacon of liberty, but as a country which takes prisoners from other countries, and on nothing more than the word on the ones who are rewarded for turning them in, imprison and torture them, and hold them forever without charges?
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:06 PM
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5. Exactly!
Well put!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:10 PM
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7. seems we have become NICE---don't make tooo many waves!
.........What have we become, as a people? How much longer will we permit our politicians to remain deaf to our wishes? Do we really want to be known, not as a beacon of liberty, but as a country which takes prisoners from other countries, and on nothing more than the word on the ones who are rewarded for turning them in, imprison and torture them, and hold them forever without charges?...........
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:39 PM
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8. It is utterly outrageous--but we didn't get here overnight, and we are not
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 06:42 PM by Peace Patriot
going to restore this democracy easily or quickly.

There is a REASON that Bush and Cheney feel immune to the voters, and that is because their corporate buds at Diebold and ES&S "counted" 80% of the votes in 2004 under a veil of corporate secrecy--using "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code in new and untested electronic voting systems that had been fast-tracked across the country with $3.9 billion in boondoggle funding from the "Help America Vote for Bush Act."

It's very simple. And this secret, privatized, corporate vote "counting" scam is still in operation, and is why we still don't have a representative Congress--with the people having to outvote the machines just to get a half-decent one--and it will be in operation in 2008, if the derelict leaders of our party don't do something about it now. I think we can restore transparent vote counting at the local/state level, with grass roots efforts, but it's going to take time. Congress could repair it tomorrow. But they ain't gonna. What they are going to do is lard more billions of taxpayers dollars onto Diebold and ES&S for THEM to "fix" the election system that they deliberately destroyed.

A 2% audit and a paper trail. On a scale of improvement, of 1 to 1000, this gets a 1. They will brag about an improvement. 999 components of transparency will still be missing.

Non-transparent elections are not elections. They are tyranny. That's what we have.

And crying about it doesn't help. Well, maybe it helps emotionally--helps hearten people, to have their concerns articulated. But it does not address the power mechanism--how to get our power BACK.

As I said, it's very simple. What's wrong is OBVIOUS. Its remedy is OBVIOUS. But getting there is not simple, because of the corruption involved--and for some reason that I will never understand, it is not obvious to some people that rightwing Bushite corporations "counting" all our votes with SECRET programming is going to give us a nutjob babykiller for President, Darth Vader for Vice President, and a Congress that can't do anything about it.

THIS *IS* THE PROBLEM, my friends. It's staring us in the face. Do you know who these corporations are, who are "counting" all our votes with secret code? Do you know what their associations are, who runs them? Do you know how totally easy it is for them to steal elections without leaving a trace? Well, you'd better find out. Because you can cry all you want about the horrors of the Bush Junta, but if we don't restore the mechanism of our sovereignty as a people--voting--we're going to get more of the same, until there is nothing left in this country to plunder, and no one left between the ages of 12 and 65 to send off to their corporate resource wars.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 07:41 PM
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13. You're right, Peace Patriot
we shouldn't have to be in the position of fighting just to get an accurate vote. I don't might fighting for a candidate, based on that candidate's merits, but what we're facing is fighting for both our choice of who will represent us, and whether our votes will be accurately counted.

There is one thing that we can do, if we have the desire to abide by it. We can stop becoming distracted by the straw men, and false premises that the wealthy, and the corporate interests, throw in our path. When we talk about a living wage, one thing that is immediately tossed out, like a treat to distract a terrier, is the subject of immigration. The issue is for all workers to be paid a living wage. Instead of a serious discussion of that, we become distracted by illegal immigrants, and their effect of lowering wages. We turn on the immigrant, and the corporations which hire them continue without missing a beat.

They really don't care who is willing to work for 3-4 an hour. They don't care whether it's a worker from El Salvador, or Texas, or whichever state, as long as they can pay wages that won't support a single person for more than a few days. We don't focus on them, because we become engaged in becoming angry at the ones who cross our borders, and work for less than we are willing or able to. All they know, or care, is that they care hire immigrants for bottom wage, and if the Migra rounds up their workers, they are easily replaced.

How many wealthy, important business CEOs are currently incarcerated for hiring illegal aliens? They can construct a completely false image of the black "welfare queen", driving to pick up her generous checks in luxury cars, while in reality the majority of people getting public assistance are white. In the meantime, voters will push the lever for the men and women who promise "welfare reform", and people will vote for them, regardless of how many children suffer from hunger, or spend a large part of their childhoods living on the streets, in shelters, or in cars. The politicians can point with pride to eliminating "welfare fraud."

Oh, and one of my very favorites is "class warfare". I'll readily admit to waging class warfare, but remember, just as the ill-fated invasion of Iraq, the war was started by the very men and women who control almost every penny we workers create, and who dupe people into voting for people who will allow them to perpetuate their wars. They fight with modern weapons, while we try to fling pebbles, and they try to make us feel ashamed for fighting for crumbs from their tables.

As to the religious aspect of politics, I'll only say this...if any woman does not want an abortion, she is perfectly free to carry her baby to full term. She just shouldn't expect any help if she or her child needs something she can't provide herself. Gay marriage? Well, there are no laws making people marry somebody of the same sex, so why the need to legislate against it? War on religion? Nope, nothing keeps people from worshiping as they choose, it just keeps them from forcing others to adopt their beliefs.

So to me, a great-grandmother, and high school drop-out, while those in power distract we, the people, with religion, and class warfare, and trying to get a secure vote, those who have doomed so many more Americans to poverty in the last six years, those who have allowed the courts to be packed with men and women more suited to the 13th Century than the 21st, all I can say is, if enough of us can ignore those distractions for long enough, we might just wrest back control of our country, one we love, and one which you only pretend to love. And I'll admit that I will vote, write letters, make calls, and do everything in my power to restore the country our Founding Fathers tried to leave us.

I'll admit to class warfare. I won't shed a drop of blood, nor commit any act of violence, but I will vote, and donate whatever I can to politicians who will listen to the will of the people, and I will try to educate every person I can about who the real enemy of our country is. I'll tell you this, though, my enemy is not some elderly Iraqi great-grandmother, mourning the loss of one of her cherished grandchildren, just as I would mourn the loss of mine.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:08 PM
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6. "We must lead our leaders"- oh I wish the Dems WOULD!
And disgrace to Americans. In 1902, William H. Walker's cartoon about hypocrisy during the Philippine-American War showed Americans torturing a Filipino as five European empires stood behind. The caption: "Chorus in Background: Those Pious Yankees Can't Throw Stones at Us Anymore."

The end to war - and our disgrace - requires that we first redeem ourselves in the eyes of the world. We must lead our leaders and demand that they stop America's century-old rampage of empire. We must prove that we honor the right of all people to live in peace. And we must, at first and at least, prosecute the Bush regime for its crimes. If we don't, we are no less than accomplices. If we don't, we are no more than "Pious Yankees."

Mike Konopacki is a freelance labor cartoonist. Kathy Wilkes is a retired editor. Both live in Madison.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:46 PM
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9. Enthusiastically recommended #4
Impeach Cheney and Bush now!
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Bruce McAuley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:56 PM
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10. And off to the Greatest Page...
If it takes all of us standing in front of the White house and Capitol screaming at George to leave, would he?
Or order the troops to open fire?
We know he has no conscience.
I bet he would order them to open fire.
Reminds me of "Gandhi".
Glad Wisconsin is waking up.

Bruce
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 07:07 PM
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11. Another reason to love Madison, Wisconsin.......



I was there recently, and my cab driver (who was wearing an American flag lapel pin) told me that he had to move out of town because there
were "too many liberals." :)

And one more thing: Impeach the Chimp.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 08:28 PM
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15. I think I know who that cab driver is...
I took a cab after a late night in Madison after the November 6 election results and commented to the cab driver. He said something about how there were dark days ahead now that "that bitch Pelosi is in charge".

I just laughed and put on my iPod for the rest of the ride.




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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 08:32 PM
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16. Now THAT would be a good ad for an iPod!
:rofl:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 09:00 PM
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17. I may just do some fake ads...thanks for the idea!
Look for it...



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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 07:28 PM
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12. Michael Konipacki is a great guy and as real as it gets...
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 07:47 PM by btmlndfrmr
He more a political labor cartoonist and supports the average Jo. Here's a link to his stuff.

http://solidarity.com/hkcartoons/mikefeb3.html

Feed Him if you like his work.

It's good to see his name on DU.


A great big K&R!!!
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 07:57 PM
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14. It's always fun to see the things I hear first on DU echoed elsewhere. . .
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 08:09 PM by pat_k
Like hearing the echoes of http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/11">Only Impeachment. Only Impeachment... in the above.

Simple truths and moral principles have a power of their own. The rationalizations for refusing to impeach reverberating in the beltway don't really have a shot when they collide with the truth.

Unfortunately, the walls between "inside" and "outside" have so far held up. All we can do is keep beating the drum, and keep figuring out new ways to breakdown or bypass the barrier.

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 09:06 PM
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18. K/R
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durtee librul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:25 PM
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19. As an alum from UWM
and a class of 69 graduate from LaFollette in Madison, I am damn glad to see the 'old hippies' haven't died. Does anyone know what Paul Soglin is doing nowdays? I know he was Mayor for a while.

For those who don't know, Soglin was the 'voice' of many of us back in the 60's and the anti-war movement and led many marches around the capitol square and down State St.

Go Cheezers! Glad to know that the state which produced the independent thinking of Robert LaFollette is still alive and kicking...and also, WI didn't follow the crowd in the last Dem primaries.
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GOPGoindown Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 11:53 PM
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20. Soglin is still in Madison
and has a great blog with a local focus.

http://www.waxingamerica.com/

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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:08 AM
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21. Good Word: Redemption ... Now, everybody...
...Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

==
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 11:19 AM
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23. Yes, we need to REDEEM ourselves in the eyes of the world.
NGU.


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:06 AM
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22. K&R.(nt)
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