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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:00 PM
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Nicholson Downplays High Numbers Of Injured Vets: ‘A Lot Of Them Come In For Dental Problems’
Edited on Wed Feb-28-07 12:07 PM by babylonsister
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http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/28/nicholson-dental/


Nicholson Downplays High Numbers Of Injured Vets: ‘A Lot Of Them Come In For Dental Problems’

Through the lens of his own personal recovery from a traumatic brain injury suffered in Iraq, ABC’s Bob Woodruff last night examined the plight of military families dealing with injuries to their loved ones.

While the Department of Defense reports that there have been about 23,000 nonfatal battlefield casualties in Iraq, Woodruff reported — through an internal VA document — that more than 200,000 veterans have sought medical care for various ailments.

When Woodruff confronted VA Secretary Jim Nicholson about the disparity in the administration’s figures, Nicholson responded that Americans are probably “surprised to know that 200,000 come to the VA for some kind of medical treatment. That’s probably more than they think.” But Nicholson quickly downplayed the high numbers, claiming a lot of veterans simply “come in for dental problems.” Watch it: VIDEO AT LINK

Nicholson’s attempts to diminish the seriousness of the issue are insulting. According to the VA internal report, the injuries afflicting veterans are quite serious in nature:

Mental disorders: 73,000
Diseases of nervous system: 61,000
Signs of ill-defined conditions: 7,000
Diseases of musculoskeletal system: 87,000.

Despite the increasing numbers of wounded and injured veterans seeking care, the Bush administration has laid out plans to cut funding for veterans’ health care two years from now.

Transcript:

WOODRUFF: According to the Department of Defense, there have been about 23,000 nonfatal battlefield casualties, but that doesn’t tell the full story.

<…>

PAUL SULLIVAN, VETERANS ADVOCATE: These are the big numbers, Bob. 200,000 have already gone into VA for medical care.

WOODRUFF: The official number is that there are only about 23,000 soldiers and Marines who have been injured in this war.

SULLIVAN: What you have are two sets of books. The Department of Defense saying there are 23,000 wounded from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but the Department of Veterans Affairs is actually treating 205,000 veterans from these two wars.

WOODRUFF: According to this internal VA report, Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are being diagnosed with a wide variety of ailments; many for multiple problems. The report does not have a category for traumatic brain injury, but it does include post-traumatic stress disorder, mental disorders, infectious and parasitic diseases, and ill-defined conditions.

WOODRUFF: You think americans fully understand how many injured there are in this war?

NICHOLSON: I think it — i think it cuts both ways. I think Americans are always very surprised to know the number of amputations, for example, which is fewer than 600 in total. They’re probably also surprised to know that 200,000 come to the VA for some kind of medical treatment. That’s probably more than they think.

WOODRUFF: You have mental disorders — 73,000; diseases of nervous system — 61,000; symtpoms, signs of ill-defined conditions — 7,000; diseases of musculoskeletal system — 87,000. These are numbers beyond the 23,000.

NICHOLSON: A lot of them come in for dental problems, others come in for a lot of the normal things that people have. We’re providing their healthcare. Some I suppose are because of their service over there. But they weren’t evacuated for that.

WOODRUFF: But they got some kind of injury, some kind of problem because of the war.

NICHOLSON: That’s possible, yes.

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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:03 PM
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1. I guess having you lower jaw blown off is just a dental problem.
:grr:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:06 PM
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4. also makes it hard to keep shirts dry -- missing jaw pieces
:grr:

I hate these spin-assholes.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:03 PM
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2. What do they call dental problems?
Is it up to and including a missing jaw?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:10 PM
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7. I'm worried about Bush's dental problems. Isn't bad to always lie thru your teeth?
It causes mental decay
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:05 PM
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3. Hey kiddo there a video on VA Watchdog
For some reason every video I post does not work See Nicholson him and ha about the number of wounded

http://www.vawatchdog.org
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:08 PM
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6. The video can also be seen at thinkprogress' link. It's
worse hearing it the second time around.
Did you watch this last night, Mm? Devastating.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:12 PM
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8. Yep I did I was watching from Jimmy Office he won his ward in Chicago
These pukes just want to cover up the truth from America
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:06 PM
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5. Dental problems...like those you get from always grinding your teeth from worry about cuts in the VA
How many wars can we sustain all at once? War on terrorism, war on science, war on the Bill of Rights, war on fiscal responsibility, and now a war against veterans.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:26 PM
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9. Democrats should be on this guy like stink on a sock...
He's basically saying that our veterans "aren't wounded so bad" and belittling their sacrifice. They should demand his resignation this very minute.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:27 PM
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10. 1000% agreement here. nt
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:30 PM
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11. Or let me have him for a day to show him the truth
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:33 PM
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12. Maybe create a couple of dental problems for the jackass?
:shrug:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:23 PM
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18. If a Dem SecVA aid something like this, there would be 20 calls for resignation
already. I bet ours won't even mention it. except Malloy.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:34 PM
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13. kicking/rec for the vets and whistleblowers! go get 'em Paul! n/t
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 12:46 PM
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14. somebody should slap Nicholson's mouth


fire him
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:13 PM
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15. Nothing to see here -- feed them more ANS, right Abrams??
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 02:15 PM
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16. This should certainly be on the front page
Simply unbelievable! K&R
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:05 PM
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17. Kick for outrage. This guy needs to be shown the door. nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:38 PM
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19. Tell me again about supporting the troops?
Cause when I hear a Republican or a government official in a Republican administration talking about "supporting the troops," I just get overcome with hysterical laughter. Then I start eyeing the cutlery, especially the big meat axe.

No reason.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:47 PM
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20. I am not believing only 600 amputations,
nor any of the other lies this Nicholson shill was spouting. I don't know how he could sit there and lie straight-faced to Woodruff when he knew Woodruff had the goods on him.

This was an excellent and eye-opening documentary.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:47 PM
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21. Dupe - hiccup.
Edited on Wed Feb-28-07 03:47 PM by Blue_In_AK
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 03:56 PM
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22. this only needs one more rec for our vets n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:01 PM
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23. Thank you, fed-up. I'd think this would have outraged people. It
did me last night, and I haven't gotten over it.:shrug:
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:07 PM
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25. I missed the show as Francis Moore Lappe was speaking in Chico last night
and as soon as I am done with prep for our Universal Health Care Fundraiser I will get to watch it online.

Just as they lied about the use of Depleted Uranium and related illnesses during the first Gulf War, they are lying about the number of illnesses/injuries during this war. I am so, so, so fed-up......
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shawmut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:02 PM
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24. done n/t
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:08 PM
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26. thanks n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 04:13 PM
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27. And a young boy just recently died of dental problems...
What's Tony's point?
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 06:51 PM
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28. number of vets treated is TEN TIMES DoD # and only 400 views/8 recs???wtf nt
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-28-07 08:02 PM
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29. Our vets deserve better than this.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 01:46 AM
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30. KNR! ....n/t
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 05:44 AM
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31. Recommended #12
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 06:22 AM
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32. k & r
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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:16 AM
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33. Is there any way to refute his amputee claim?
Like the IraqBodyCount site does, counting the numbers reported in different media sources, would it be possible to scour local papers for reports of named soldiers who've had limbs amputated and make a list? A list that would then be tangible evidence that he sat there and lied?

He needs to be discredited, and the mediawhores won't do it, so it, like so much else, is dependent on grassroots effort.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 07:51 AM
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34. I think the people who put the story tried to get accurate numbers, but
were denied them. I too don't believe for a second the figures Nicholson quoted.
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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 09:28 AM
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35. I don't doubt it.
We cannot expect anything from officials, which is why I suggested making a list from local newspaper articles etc. That way it won't be a number, a faceless number, but a list of names and ranks, of human beings who not only lost a limb (or two or three or even four) in this senseless war, but of people who had to suffer the indignities of the VA hospitals and Bush' treatment of veterans.

According to another thread, one of the first Marines to be injured was Staff Sgt Eric Alva, who had to amputate a leg four years ago because he stepped on a landmine. That's one. I'm sure there are more than 599 others.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-01-07 11:57 AM
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36. Check out Newsweek's cover this week. A woman, Marissa Strock,
is on the cover; she lost both legs. I wonder how the VA counts her? As many soldiers we are aware of that have lost limbs, there are probably many we never hear about.
Alva is popular this week; he's questioning the 'don't ask, don't tell' ruling, and was one of the first soldiers to be wounded in Iraq. I don't think he's garnering so much attention because he lost a limb.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/28/gays.military/

Gay veteran calls for end of 'Don't ask, don't tell'

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Staff Sgt. Eric Alva was one of the first Americans -- perhaps the first -- to be wounded in Iraq when he lost his leg to a land mine.

But for years, Alva kept a secret: He is gay.

"Who would have guessed that the first American wounded was a gay Marine?" Alva said Wednesday.

Alva's service and sacrifice in Iraq earned him medals, media attention and a meeting with President Bush and the first lady.

Now, he wants to use his place in history to win support for a proposed law to allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the U.S. armed forces.

He announced his homosexuality at a Wednesday news conference on Capitol Hill, where he called for the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays in the service to be abandoned. (Watch Alva speak on Capitol Hill Video )
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