"The president believes that there is a right for people to bear arms!

[scarface2004]

are you kidding me!!!! the first thing out this jackholes mouth!!! talk about insane!!

[Ishoutandscream2]

1. No matter where you are on this position

that was totally uncalled for from Dimson. Crass and insincere in the sympathy. But what do we expect from the Boy King.

[durtee librul]

2. I can't bear arms,

mine are too fat....oh wait you said BEAR arms...I'm sorry.

[Hieronymus]

3. It's totally insane.

An illegal gun is responsible for 32 deaths and this is the White House response?:eyes:

[renate]

4. I couldn't believe it either

How incredibly insensitive. Absolutely sickening.

[Selatius]

5. In my opinion, you can bear arms only if you pass vigorous tests.

You pass a certified gun safety/education course (and redo it once every year) on how to store, maintain, and fire accurately such weapons, a mental exam, and a criminal background check. If you can't pass those, you have no right in my opinion.

[jody]

11. OK but how would such a law have prevented today's tragedy? n/t

[Selatius]

17. If VA Tech hadn't banned all guns and allowed people with CCW permits, it might...

have meant the gunman was killed sooner, probably by faculty with CCW permits instead of waiting for two hours for the police to respond.

Of course, if all guns were tightly regulated, this person likely would not have obtained a gun easily. I am assuming, of course, that there isn't a sizable black market being fueled by broken borders and lax regulations.

[baldguy]

18. Where did the shooter obtain the weapons?

[Virginia Dare]

22. Good question, I'll be very interested in finding out the answer to that one..n/t

[jody]

23. This sub thread was about restrictions, see #5 and how they would have prevented the tragedy.

Why don't you answer my question in #11?

[baldguy]

29. Restrictions:

In addition to Selatius's suggestions:

- Every firearm should be Federally registered.

- Every firearm owner should be Federally licensed.

- When they are not being carried, firearms should be secured in such a manner as to ensure no unauthorized person will have access to them.

- When a firearm is being carried, the legal owner is responsible for any damage it may inflict.

- If aa unauthorized person does happen to come into possession of a firearm, the legal owner is still responsible for any damage it may inflict.

=======================

That's a start. We can prevent tragedies like today by PREVENTING them. Putting more guns into a society that already has too many guns won't prevent anything - like adding fuel to a fire.

Make firearms more difficult to obtain & keep. Make the owners responsible for them.

[jody]

31. If someone steals your car, should you be responsible for a crime committed with it? n/t

[baldguy]

32. Cars aren't designed for the sole purpose of killing things. Guns are.

[jody]

37. Guns are designed for the sole purpose of killing things, what about these two used in the Olympics?

[baldguy]

42. Don't be stupid.

Yes - for the purposes of regulation & law enforcement ALL guns are designed to kill things. Even target shooters must have a permit to carry a weapon.

[jody]

44. I'm not stupid, are you? I say again, not all guns are designed to kill things!

What part of that simple statement of fact don't you understand?

[baldguy]

OK, try carrying one of those guns into a school.

Cops will & should react the same way whether it's a "target" pistol or not.

[jody]

50. You make me laugh. Laws pertain to guns which the two I cited are obviously guns. On the other hand

you said in #32 "Cars aren't designed for the sole purpose of killing things. Guns are."

I gave you facts that some guns are not designed for the sole purpose of killing things.

Do you want to concede?

[baldguy]

51. Are you trying to be funny? Or is this just some masturbatory NRA fantasy-thing you've got going on?

The first thing MY target pistol coach in high school instilled in me: Handling a weapon isn't a joke, because it puts the power to kill in your hands. That's what they were DESIGNED to do. The fact that intelligent people have found other ways of displaying their skill is beside the point. Apparently, you're too brain addled to get that a bullet moving through your skull will kill you no matter what the gun it comes from looks like.

Congratulations, you've won the first slot on my ignore list.

[jody]

52. Have a great day and good bye. n/t

[baldguy]

48. dupe

[MissMarple]

49. While what "well regulated" means is still, has always been, up for debate,

we must contend with those two words...well regulated. What does it mean to us today? We have never been able to have a reasoned, reasonable debate to help establish a national consensus. We stubbornly allow it to be another hot button issue that continues to divide us. Well regulated....

[Double T]

6. bush's sense of timing and choice of words are unconscienable.........

what can HE be thinking??

[uppityperson]

15. The question is the answer. (IS he thinking, CAN he be thinking)

[aikoaiko]

7. I'll tell you why he said that.....

When Republicans say things like that and we don't even after a tragedy like the VT massacre, it sets us up to look like gungrabbers.

A lot of gun owners are cringing that more gun control will come down the pike because of this tragedy.

[Whoa_Nelly]

20. I think the NRA lobby made sure this right was mentioned first and foremost

and/or NumbNuts wanted to make it clear there are some parts of our Constitution that he ...ahem... "respects". (or sota "remembers", as he views the world through bleary eyes and speaks the ROVErian words that come in through his earpiece.)

[Tom Joad]

8. I believe in the right to *bare* arms. there is a difference.

[Dr.Phool]

10. I believe in the right to arm bears!

Equalize hunting season.

Although Stephen Colbert will disagree with me.

[Greeby]

9. It's like his press conference after Katrina

And all he could talk about was oil production.

All previous Presidents, whether ya loved em or hated em could, at least say the right words after a major tragedy like this. This moran can't even get his head and his ass wired together long enough to achieve even that!

[baldguy]

12. And people have the RESPONSIBILITY to ensure they aren't used to murder people.

The gov't has the RESPONSIBILITY to regulate weapons.

[onenote]

13. He never fails in his ability to disappoint

I wish I could say that I don't believe he'd authorize such a statement, but of course I believe it. I just wish I didn't expect it.

[wtmusic]

14. If the twins had been attending VTech

we would have heard a very different line.

[rinsd]

16. What? This admin is politically tone deaf? Say it ain't so.

[mtnsnake]

19. Wow! That's gotta make the parents of all those dead kids feel better!

And that's our distinguished president, folks.

[thunder35]

21. I thinks time the US pass gun control

look at Canada very murders Why? Is it because violence on TV more acceptable than naked skin like Janet Jackson?

[ieoeja]

30. We're more diverse.

Which makes for more friction. That is the price we choose to pay.

[mtnsnake]

34. So it's all worth it because you think we're more diverse than Canada?

We're more diverse. Which makes for more friction. That is the price we choose to pay.

First of all, if you think we're more diverse than Canada, you should take a couple visits to that country to see how you couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. Second of all, nobody "chooses" to pay this kind of a price. Gimme a break.

[Selatius]

43. Our crime rates are because of poverty.

If you want lower crime rates in general, you need to have good social programs to provide opportunities to people. Otherwise, people will turn to crime to make a living.

[paulk]

24. it says a lot about him and his junta, doesn't it?

That he would use the occasion to make what is, essentially, a political statement.

[Jennicut]

25. All this talk about a student or teacher would have shot the crazy shooter

if only they could carry concealed weapons is ridiculous! How many college students walk around with guns? When I went to college none of my friends even had any interest in guns. Nor did any of my teachers. I knew of one person who carried a concealed gun when I was in my twenties. He was my sister in law's boyfriend. And she hated his carrying the gun because he had a temper and if he ever got in a bad fight with someone she was afraid it wouldn't end well. And letting college kids walk around with guns, what a bright idea! Then we would have 10 times the a tragedy we had today. Didn't like your grade on a test? Blow the professor away! Bad night with your boyfriend/girlfriend? Pop 'em one. College is stressful. People are drunk late at night, coming into dorms. The age of college students are is 18-22. Not the greatest place for guns to be. One student in a dorm could have a gun in their room, another "friend" could take the gun and who knows what would happen. As far as being able to kill a gunman, unless the person with a gun is careful, that gun could be taken and used as another weapon. Maybe someone could have stopped the gunman but overall I just don't think its smart to have guns on campus.

[mtnsnake]

28. I couldn't agree more with you. Excellent post, Jennicut.

:thumbsup:

[ieoeja]

33. I think you're both ridiculous.

To the "arm the students" crowd, I ask are shootings on college campuses a problem looking for a solution, or something that happens so rarely we could do NOTHING and achieve desirable results? I vote for the latter.

And your assertion that college students would go kill crazy if they had firearms is just as silly as my friend's suburbanite coworker expressing shock at learning that we play with STEEL (instead of plastic) tip darts in Chicago. "Don't drunks throw them at each other all the time?" Er, no. That is called "psychotic", and it turns out psychopaths are a rarity in Chicago bars.

Of course, I never did feel very comfortable drinking out in the suburbs. Maybe this explains why.

[mtnsnake]

35. I have no doubt you would! I just read your post #30. All I can say is wow! nt

[SharonRB]

26. What a fucktard!

When I read that this was the first thing out of his mouth, I was absolutely appalled. He has no sense of decency.

[wizstars]

27. Tears for thoe parents who lost children in this massacre...

:hug: :cry: :cry:


...and pure rage for that piece-of-sh1t bastard in the WH who let the assault-weapon ban expire to please his donors in the NRA.

:mad: :mad: F#$%ing :mad: !!!!

[benEzra]

47. With you on the first part...

Tears for thoe parents who lost children in this massacre...

:grouphug: :cry: :cry:

I'm with you. I've been glued to the monitor all day. Thoughts and prayers for the families of the deceased and the surviving victims, and (as someone pointed out on another thread) extra hugs for my own family today.

and pure rage for that piece-of-sh1t bastard in the WH who let the assault-weapon ban expire to please his donors in the NRA.

This shooter used ordinary 9mm pistols according to reports, not "assault weapons."

Rifles are almost never used in murders: Murder, by State and Type of Weapon (FBI). My wife and I own a couple of small-caliber rifles that Sarah Brady calls "assault weapons," and taking them away from us wouldn't make anybody any safer.

[wizstars]

56. Tell that sh1t to 64 parents whose sons and daughters will...

...be coming home from college in a box. WE NEED SENSIBLE GUN LAWS in this country NOW!!

[benEzra]

58. A lot of those families are gun owners themselves...this is Virginia,

Tell that sh1t to 64 parents whose sons and daughters will be coming home from college in a box. WE NEED SENSIBLE GUN LAWS in this country NOW!!

A lot of those families are gun owners themselves; this is Virginia we're talking about, not New Jersey. A lot of those families and surviving victims are the very people you're bashing (around 40% of households own guns, and the vast majority are nonhunters). Do you think it makes gun-owning families feel better to hear people using their loved ones deaths to advance policies that many of those families would vehemently oppose? Grieve with them, but use some consideration about grandstanding (and this applies to both sides of the issue, pro- and anti-).

BTW, this relates to rifle bans, how? This jerkoff didn't use "assault weapons," he used ORDINARY PISTOLS, reportedly a 9mm and a .22. Firing slowly and deliberately. From where I'm standing, using this tragedy to bash DU'ers who disagree with rifle handgrip bans seems to reflect opportunism more than it does concern.

I'm grieving for those families also. That's what I'd tell them, rather than using their deaths to advance my agenda or somebody else's before their loved ones are even buried.

[maxsolomon]

36. max solomon believes there should be well-regulated militias!

completely unregulated DOES NOT EQUAL well-regulated.

[POAS]

38. In the vernacular of the

times that our constitution was written a phrase like "the people" referred to the community and not to individuals. Therefore saying the "right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms clearly refers to the community or "free State" and not to a person. Furthermore, in the amendment the word People is capitalized also clearly implying a group rather than individuals.

Had they intended an unfettered right for every person to freely arm themselves in an unregulated manner they could easily have said that every PERSON has a right to bear arms, and they did not do that.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

39. He's right, in America there is, but there shouldn't be.

Repealing the 2nd ammendment and introducing sane (e.g. on the level we have here in the UK) gun laws wouldn't ensure that something like this never happens again - no matter what you do, it's sure that things like this *will* happen again - but it would make them happen less frequently.

Guns are one of the American left's biggest blind spots - that even on DU the gun lobby outnumber the sane so massively depresses me immensely, and makes me very grateful to be British not American.

[wizstars]

40. The NRA is full of CRAP

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


If you read it the way it's written, with THREE commas, NOT one (like the NRAssholes always do), the phrase "the right...to keep and bear arms" is clearly subordinate to the first phrase ("A well-regulated militia"). It is the right to a militia that "shall not be infringed", not the right of every person to pack heat. We have got to shove this down the NRA's throats and choke them with it until we GET SOME SENSIBLE GUN LAWS in this country!!

[mtnsnake]

41. Amen!

[jody]

53. The Dem Platform say's "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms". n/t

[wizstars]

55. Then FUCK the Dem platform, it's TIME TO CHANGE!!!

Thirty-two people DIED yesterday because CHEAP POLITICIANS KISSED THE NRA's ASS!!!!! I say it's time we KICKED IT!!!!!!

[jody]

57. How did the NRA or any pro-RKBA group like the Dem Party cause yesterday's tragedy? nt

[wizstars]

59. They fought the laws that would've kept this b@st@rd from getting the guns he used.

In my book, they're as complicit as Cho.

[Major Hogwash]

45. Bush has become the "Death President"

Just as his dad tried to claim he was the "education president", Bush junior has become the death president.

Bush cancelled the funding for the COPS program, taking 100,000 police off the streets, after Clinton had asked Congress to help him make America safer by putting those police on the streets.

[HuffleClaw]

46. i sure as hell noticed that little 'gem'. *puke*

appalling.

[Blue_Tires]

54. unbelievable nt