Take a BRAVE pledge - Right now!

[djjimz]

I'll do this again in a few months.

I was born under Harry Truman.
The man who currently occupies the oval office is the first person, to do so, that I have emphatically refused to call my president. And I haven’t, from day one, back in November of 2000.
If we do not take over the White House, and hold on to both houses of congress in the coming election, I truly fear, that I may not any longer, call this my country.
I’d like to have DUer’s pledge, right here, and now, that no matter who the Democratic candidate is, you will support and vote for that candidate.

Those who refuse to pledge, need not apply. Of couse I know you will, and that's okay, but I honestly, hope, you don't. I don't believe there is an argument you can make that will make me, or anyone who does pledge, change our minds.
This is not a game, this is the future of our country!
And if, we the people, can not unite…

I’ve said enough.
I hope you pledge.

[Auntie Bush]

1. I pledge! I have always said I will vote for whoever wins the primary.

[emilyg]

4. Same here.

The alternative is too horrible.

[djjimz]

10. emilyg?

Like that surprises me.
Thank you dear one!
:hi:

[djjimz]

7. Thanks Auntie

:hi:

[illinoisprogressive]

2. I will support any democrat but Hillary.

[djjimz]

5. So, you'll vote for a repuke instead?

Or just throw your vote away?
:shrug:

[HughBeaumont]

49. Toss my vote out.

Vote for Hillary, toss your vote out, same thing. Nothing gets accomplished either way.

[NaturalHigh]

46. I'm with you.

No way Mrs. Clinton gets my vote.

[djjimz]

59. I knew a few of you ignoramuses would slither in here...

to try and bash someone -- that is why I am forced to ignore you.
In my opinion, you don't really give two shits what happens to this country. You could never act the way you do if you did.

This post was set up to allow people to pledge their support for the Democratic Candidate, no matter who that candidate might me.
I asked politely for you guys to refrain, but noooooooooo, you just could not resist the temptation to show your true color.

And we all know what that color is.

just go away...

[NaturalHigh]

86. My favorite color is green.

I suppose it's my Irish heritage showing itself. What's yours?

[djjimz]

93. I like green too!

And I happen to be Irish also and I know, blarney, when I hear it!
;)
Have you ever been there?
I highly recommend it; beautiful country with beautiful people.

Look at that; we can be civil when we want to be.
Peace be with you, my Irish brother.
Cheers
:toast:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

3. I will make a 100% effort to support the nominee nt

[djjimz]

6. Thank you...

It sounds strained, but thank you!
:toast: :headbang:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

25. I absolutely will support the nominee. When I said 100% effort I meant going the extra mile...

...to promote the nominee, not that it would take a great deal of personal effort for me to convince myself to vote for the nominee. I will support the nominee as much as I am supporting Edwards right not if JE does not win the nomination.

[djjimz]

36. You're the man!

draft_mario_cuomo
And good luck to John Edwards; he is a fine man who I would support in a heartbeat! As I would any one of the candidates.
That is what this is all about.
Again, thanks.

[OHdem10]

8. I pledge

[djjimz]

11. You go...

OHdem10
Thank you

[Booster]

9. As I've said before: even if the Dem is a ground squirrel. I'm in.

[djjimz]

12. A ground squirrel?

:rofl:
Thanks spenbax
A two clawed crah dad would be better than, the best the repukes have to offer!

[ncteechur]

70. Even if the nominee is a ground-up squirrell-it has my vote.

Sorry PETA folks.

[djjimz]

72. Thanks ncteechur

I'm sure PETA understands.
:rofl:

[calimary]

13. Understood.

There was a thread or two recently about this, more specifically relating to Hillary where the conclusion was much the same: WHOEVER HE/SHE is, when that question is decided, we're all in.

'Cause what are we gonna do? Vote republi-CON??? :puke:

[djjimz]

14. Thanks calimary

United we stand...

[Donald Ian Rankin]

15. I have never, and will never, voted for a Democrat.

But I heartily encourage those of you who have the option of doing so to do so.

However, I will be voting for whoever is most likely to beat the local Tory candidate this autumn, I suspect (assuming I get my registration sorted in time, which is looking far from certain since I moved house).

[djjimz]

20. Good Luck Donald!

I think.
:shrug:

[avrdream]

16. I take the pledge.

I am proud of ALL of our candidates and will happily support whoever gets through.

[djjimz]

18. Thank you

avrdream
:toast:

[Alamom]

17. I have been voting for Democrats since 1972. However, I "will" stop when

I die. :)

[djjimz]

19. That sounds like a pledge to me!

Thank you Alamom
:hi:

[cobalt1999]

21. Our worst is still better than their best.

I'll support the nominee. While I'm leaning towards Clinton, by primary time, I could be in any of the three camps.

[djjimz]

23. I think most of us feel the same.

Thank you cobalt1999
Our survival depends on level-headed thinking like that.
:headbang:

[flpoljunkie]

22. Is that you, Howard Wolfson?

[djjimz]

24. NO!

But I'm sure any communications director would take the pledge right now, including Robert Gibbs.
Take the pledge flpoljunkie
Your sarcasm doesn't bode well for your candidate, and that kind of attitude is not helping him or anyone else.

[flpoljunkie]

31. This kind of forced fealty to a candidate this early is offputting. There will be plenty of time

for this badgering after we choose our nominee.

It is usually Clinton supporters who hammer "the pledge." Are you perhaps a Hillary Clinton supporter?

[djjimz]

33. I am a supporter of all Democrats

And nothing is being forced here.
You either pledge or you don't.

Are you perhaps a Obama supporter? Because if you are, once again, your asinine bashing of any candidate is not serving him very well. For my money if Barack is candiadte it would not surprise me in the least if he asked HER to be HIS running mate! Watch your words; they may come back to bite you in the ass!

[flpoljunkie]

37. Again, why must we be forced to pledge to vote for our nominee? It's offensive to the process.

[Name removed]

38. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NaturalHigh]

48. Because not toeing the party line is wrong.

Wr-wr-wr-wrong, I tell you. (Do I really need the sarcasm thing?)

These things pop up from time to time, usually from people who also try to convince us that Mrs. Clinton is the best thing to happen to this country since somebody decided to put cereal in boxes.

[Monty_]

26. I pledge

I've said this all along. I will vote Democrat no matter what.

[djjimz]

28. Thanks Monty

:hi:
Your pledge is not only brave, but intelligent.

[peace13]

27. I pledge to work like hell to get a Democrat that I can stand

behind and beside in this race. I won't settle for someone who is not for the American people. I can say that if Kucinich is not the Dem nominee and he ran as an Independent I would vote for him. If Mr. K. is not on the ballot I will cast for Dem...holding my breath that it is not Hillary. Peace, KIm

[djjimz]

29. And if it is?

That is hardly a pledge peace13
But it is a start.
Thank you

[peace13]

30. Thanks for the thanks.

It is a pledge to work like hell for the Dem's and that is more than many are willing to make. Time and money, that is all I have. It is up to the candidate after that. Peace, Kim

[djjimz]

35. That is so true!

Thanks again, Kim.
Peace!

[Vinca]

32. If the Democratic nominee is Charlie Manson, he's got my vote.

There is no way I will miss entering my vote for a Democrat in 2008. Whether or not it's counted is another matter.

[djjimz]

34. Let's hope and pray it is, my friend.

Thank you, Vinca

[bpeale]

39. I won't

because it matters to me WHO is president. i will write my candidate in if necessary.

[djjimz]

40. I respect that.

But if we get another repuke, then what?
Think about it, bpeale.
That's all I'm asking.
Peace!

[bpeale]

41. whatever happens is meant to happen

i'm writing in MY candidate if I don't agree with whatever repuke lite candidate the dems propose.

[djjimz]

43. I don't understand your logic

But again, that's up to you.
Good luck

[plusfiftyfive]

47. You might as well vote for George W. Bush

Then.

Throwing away your vote is as bad as not voting at all, IMO.

[djjimz]

58. Worse!

Thanks plusfiftyfive

[bpeale]

101. I WILL WRITE IN MY CANDIDATES NAME IF I HAVE TO...

MY CANDIDATE IS AND WILL BE JOHN EDWARDS.

[Irishonly]

42. I Will Support Our Nominee

I worked like a dog for John Anderson in my youth and I learned my lesson.

[djjimz]

44. John Anderson

Wow, there's a blast from the past.
Thanks Irishonly
:thumbsup:

[NaturalHigh]

45. I will take a brave pledge to vote my conscience...

no matter how unpopular that choice might be.

[HughBeaumont]

50. If you're asking me to get lockstep behind "THE INEVITABLE", I cannot do it.

Here's the last word on this:

I DO NOT SUPPORT CANDIDATES THAT THINK THERE ARE POSITIVES TO JOB OFFSHORING!

She also voted for the IWR and continues to not apologize for it with the "if I knew then" defense. If you knew WHAT? What 23 Dem senators already knew? That Bewsh and his administration was/are lying sacks of monkeyshit who wanted this illegal occupation since they captured the Blight House? That Bewsh was going to win both elections come hell or high water whether we wanted it or not for this very purpose?

Shit, a damned satirical newspaper got it . . . IN the beginning of 2001, no less. What did NO one understand about the way a Reagan-redux presidency operates going into this?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28784

Sorry, Hillary's whole candidacy and the constant barrage of trolling, finger-wagging and tsk-tsking by her loyal supporters smacks of the SAME damned inevitability that we were resigned to with the Failure Fuhrer. I ain't doing it.

Let's toss aside the IWR vote, which don't get me wrong is a sore spot.

It's her trade position, which you gotta admit isn't exactly worker-friendly. Ohio (especially Cuyahoga County) has bled so many jobs, white and blue collar, due to free-trade policies which she continues to support and make no apologies for supporting (it dumbfounds me that ANY union would endorse her when she's made it clear she loves free trade, wants to increase H1B and L1 visas and wouldn't change the disastrous-for-the-working-classes NAFTA). There AREN'T two sides to outsourcing as she has claimed (look to my journal or previous posts, I have links). This practice DOES NOT work for Joe Dayjob; it only benefits the wealthy of the countries involved. She's WRONG on this issue.

And until she starts making a strong stand for worker protections, some compromise in amending the existing lousy trade agreements her husband signed and his friend's (41) administration authored and stands against greedy corporations and the Republicans that run them, I can't get behind that.

It's so important and critical for the future of the youth of this country that economic fairness be stressed as a top priority. You cannot have politicians and leaders keep telling America's young to go into Math and Science and Technology as a career, when the reality is, they'll likely already be priced out of a job when they graduate thanks to cheap offshore labor. Right now we simply don't have fairness or any kind of a plan to amend this course of rotten and it's getting worse. I'm not convinced that a Hillary presidency is going to change that.

[plusfiftyfive]

60. YOUR "perfect" candidate is the enemy of all "good" candidates!

LOOK

Jobs that were lost from any state in the USA are NEVER COMING BACK!!!!!!!!!

The best you can hope for is a chance to work again, to work for decent wages and health care and education for your children and grandchildren, a clean environment, a decent retirement pension and services in your final years. If you think throwing away your right to vote for a candidate in your state who can address MOST of these issues is the way to go, for you, then fine, perhaps you would like it better in a nation where you don't get that choice.

Remember, your vote for President of the US (POTUS) is a precious right in this nation, but it is NOT your chance to have each and every view and perspective you have represented in the next POTUS. There are OTHER issues that demand consideration other than purity of position in accordance with your wishes.
The person must be electable, the person must be someone both houses of Congress can work with, the person must be someone who has enough intellect and creativity to deliver solutions in times of need.

NONE of those qualities exist in our current POTUS, and NEVER DID EXIST there!!!!! Yet some people in Florida and elsewhere thought Al Gore wasn't perfect......so they voted for NADER!!!!!!!!! Think about the deaths and destruction that vote has now cost America. Think!

[djjimz]

61. Well said, plusfiftyfive...

Well said
I hope you got your message through.
:toast:
All we can do is keep trying.
Thank you so very much.

[plusfiftyfive]

62. Well, I'm sorry, purist liberals are as much a problem

As the Libertarians, the Green party, the Nader supporters, and the Communist Party supporters.

But for them to waste their time on the DU......I really think they should stay home on election day....their votes are totally meaningless.

I DO NOT SUPPORT HILLARY in the Primary! I support someone else.

But to say that IF my candidate does NOT win the primary, I will go away and let Romney or Rudy or one of the other insane idiots be President, give it UP!!!!!!!

You people want America to go to war with Iran? Fine, throw your vote away!

[HughBeaumont]

68. Why? Because we want a modicum of FAIRNESS?

Because we don't WANT our soldiers to be killed for nothing?

Because we don't WANT corporations to run roughshod over the middle, working and poor classes, like they have been for centuries and getting worse with each passing one?

Because we WANT our country to move WITH the rest of the civilized world and get single payer health care?

Yeah, because lockstepping and compromising to the DLC's "corporate bridge-building" whims has taken us SO far, let me tell you.

[plusfiftyfive]

73. You really miss the point

You have no sense of the implications of voting for the perfect, and refusing to vote for the less than perfect..........ask a Nader supporter from 2000 .........how many deaths on 9/11 and in Iraq any of them are about to cop to!!!!!!!!!!!

Where does it say that one of the 3 prime candidates will keep having your kids and grand-kids killed in Iraq? Where does it say that the Republican party, party of lying Larry Craig, lying Dick Cheney, lying "against nation building" George W Bush......where does it say that YOU, in voting for a 3rd part candidate, have not endorsed them??


"PERFECT" does NOT EQUAL "Better" than Republican...........

Do you think your right to vote is about perfection? Or do you want to be part of the solution?

[HughBeaumont]

87. Once again, I'm NOT voting 3rd party.

I will vote for any Democratic Candidate except Hillary Clinton.

Should Hillary be our candidate, I will not vote for a president.

My right to vote is whatever I choose it to be. That's not for you or ANYone to decide.

And once again, 4 main factors lost the election for Al Gore:

1. Joe Lieberman as his VP (to cater to the moderates/conservatives, but in turn alienating his democratic/liberal following in the process)
2. A complicit media that praised and catered to the Failure Fuhrer at every turn.
3. Twin cronies Kathy Harris/Jeb Bush in the Panhandle, tossing out Democratic votes illegally.
4. Sandra Day O Connor votin' fer the Failure Fuhrer out of personal conflict (retirement) rather than for the good of the country in a decision the Supreme Court really had no business or right making in the first place.

[HughBeaumont]

67. Who the hell ever said I WANTED a perfect candidate?

What is this "best I can HOPE for" shit?

Bills don't get paid on HOPE. Economies cannot recover on HOPE. People who aren't meant to go to diploma mill colleges can't just HOPE they'll qualify for a job that pays at least a liveable wage. 47 million people shouldn't have to go to sleep at night HOPING they'll not have a debilitating illness that bankrupts their entire family.

There needs to be a plan to revive the economy to accommodate ALL workers, not just toss your hands in the air and give up. There needs to be a PLAN for single-payer health care system, not a shrug, sigh and a "Oh well, that's just the way it is". You want to know WHY all those jobs went overseas . . . one of the main reasons is that Big Insurance frowns on single payer, therefore the employer ends up holding the bag. I WANT to pay taxes to help myself, my family and my fellow citizens, not funnel it in the pockets of the Bushes, Cheneys, Rices and Chertoffs via the Pentasewer.

I WANT a candidate that doesn't support corporate rights over human rights. I DON'T think that's too damned much to ask or expect from a DEMOCRATIC candidate. Hillary has not at ALL proven to me through her actions and statements that she can stand up to corporations or the MIC.

And FYI, I VOTED for Gore. I VOTED for and supported Kerry because at least he was honest, albeit a bad campaigner.

Hillary is just a baggage-ridden windsock who takes no strong progressive STANDS on anything.

I really hate to break it to you, but 2000 was stolen. Roger Ailes, Kathy Harris, Jack Welch, Bob Shrum, Joe Lieberman and Sandra Day O Connor cost Gore and America, not Nader voters.

Oh, and DO. NOT. pull this "love it or leave it" bullshit with me. That's an RWTP, and I'm NOT listening to it. I prefer to stay and make CHANGE, thank you very much.

[HughBeaumont]

51. Getting lockstep behind a candidate isn't bravery, it's acquiescence.

And if a Dem candidate loses to, offense dished out, a Puke from the WEAKEST GOP field since 1996, it wouldn't be because I didn't support the Dem. It's because we chose a Dem that didn't convince enough voters that things would change for the better.

ANY Democrat that gets nominated, even (ecccch) Hillary), should win this election by at LEAST 30-40 electoral votes over ANYone from the Repuke side. Bewsh's wholesale destruction of this country for the past 7 years should be cause ENOUGH not to stick another Republican in, let alone lack of name recognition and lack of positions that don't reek of pro-corporate to religious-right-pandering nutjobbery.

So don't put this on any one person.

[plusfiftyfive]

74. Either you are not married, never had a lover, or love yourself more than anyone else in the world..

Acquiescence, now, is THAT such a horrible fate?

I love my mate, I agree to something I'm not 100% in favor of....that makes me........WHAT?

For YOU, fellow idealists are such a bane to democracy, knowing that there are Libertarians, Christian Conservatives, Wiccans, Devil-worshipers.........all 100% committed to their position, just like YOUR POSITION........and there are 10,000 of THEM for every one of YOU! You have the vote, and are about to throw it away on a no-hope candidate because the Dem candidate is less than "perfect"? When di ANY of you meet a perfect human being running for office???? NAH...........never, right?

Now, when do you want to admit to some humility and try to learn more than your arrested psycho-sexual position has so far limited you to? You can choose to be 15 until you die, or you can advance beyond that level.....on to the point of full maturity.....no......that's too far for most people to go. IMO

[chieftain]

52. Whoever gets the Democratic nomination can count on my vote

and financial help. This scourge of Republican misrule must end.

[djjimz]

55. Thank you, chieftain...

And it will.
Thanks to good and sincere people like you.

[chieftain]

85. Thanks for posting the pledge.

[Ethelk2044]

53. Nope, can not do that

[djjimz]

56. Then do what you will, Ethelk2044

Then do what you will...

[JoePhilly]

54. Absolutely!

[djjimz]

57. Thanks JoePhilly

Go Pennsylvania...
My own blue state and getting bluer all the time.

[ronnykmarshall]

63. Hell yes!

[djjimz]

65. Hell YES!

Thanks ronnykmarshall
:thumbsup:

[dajoki]

64. I will take your pledge...

and take it seriously. I have not yet decided who I will support in the primary, but no matter who the nominee is I will do all I can to see that he/she is elected.

[djjimz]

66. Thanks dajoki

I haven't made my mind up yet either.
And that's what makes it so great. The quality of these candidates on our side is just outstanding.
Sure, they all have a thing or two we may disagree with, but as our friend, plusfiftyfive so nobly points out; the good far outweighs the bad.

Thanks again dajoki

[plusfiftyfive]

69. !!!

for the acknowledgement, yes, there are WORSE THINGS THAN HAVING LESS THAN PERFECT PRESIDENTS!!!!!!!!!!


Didn't Bill Clinton teach you this???????? I can't believe that you think George W Bush would be President today if Bill hadn't been a "fuck-up" ...............He lost 10 million votes for Gore on his infidelity alone.........

NOW, remember, we are judging brilliance, creativity, philosophy, and record, NOT name recognition...OK???

BARACK OBAMA.............bet 3 years ago 50% of you didn't even know this name !!!!!!!!

[plusfiftyfive]

71. If we are sincere intelligent Americans

who have benefited from our parents' and grand-parents' sacrifice, we owe it to the world to NOT launch WW-3, to NOT make this a racial and religious world-wide war for domination of of resources and productivity.

That's what this election is about, it's not about some 10,000 or 20,000 workers in Ohio losing their $25. an hour with benefits union jobs to Mexicans who can do the same work at 1/5th the cost. It's about world peace, diplomacy, nuclear weapons in Iran, Russian/Iran links over uranium..get the picture? You people who are purists about jobs in Ohio lost to Mexico, or to China, time to move on to the threats of nuclear weapons in Iran, missiles in Russia, combine the two and think of your grandchildren.

This is NOT about being screwed out of a job, tens of millions of Americans have had to deal with that, me among them, and I had to respond and become re-employable again. Don't foist your job loss on me, foist your desire for this planet to survive and tell me how you are willing to sacrifice for your grandchildren..........you want to sit home an whine? FINE! The rest of the world does not have any more tears to shed for the job losses in Ohio or wherever, we believe in free markets or we don't...take your pick.

[dajoki]

90. You are making a lot of assumptions...

First of all you don't know me or my situation. I am not a one issue voter. To me poverty in this country is the number one issue along with the war.

As far as taking "the pledge", that means nothing because I ALWAYS VOTE FOR THE WINNER OF THE DEM PRIMARY!! I cannot and will not vote for any repub nor will I cut off my nose to spite my face by voting for someone who has no chance, like Nader. Remember him? I'm sure you do, he didn't help much in the 2000 election did he? You may call me a sellout if you want, because I do not care what you think of me. Besides, with all your political knowledge you know change must come from someone working within our system. At least I'm assuming you know that much.

Also don't foist YOUR job loss on me either because you are not the only one that got screwed over during this administration, so quit YOUR whining. So as far as I'm concerned you can take your tears and your assumptions and grovel all you want, because it does not matter to me one way or the other. Is that clear!!

[madmom]

75. I pledge,as well as my SO and daughter!

[djjimz]

79. Thank You, madmom

and thank your son and daughter...
:hi:

[sufrommich]

76. I'll take that pledge

All the dems look better than another 4 years of republican power. Those that can't grasp that are delusional.

[djjimz]

80. AMEN - sufrommich

:toast:

[Colobo]

77. I pledge... and I'm confident Obama will be the nominee.

[plusfiftyfive]

78. That would be a breath of fresh air for us all

A person who made it to the top of the voter's polls, despite Hillary..

Hillary would make a great Vice President.


That's what she deserves, with 8 years in th US Senate........giving way to the most charismatic candidate since Kennedy!

And the most intelligent. Hillary.....earn your chance to be President by being VP for 8 years of success as VP, we will respect your right to be President THEN!

[djjimz]

83. Frankly, I respect it now.

As I do all of our champions.

May the best man (or woman) win!
And the voters will decide that.

[djjimz]

82. thank you, Katzenkavalier

And if he is, he will have my undying support.
As will anyone else on our side.
:dem:

[Colobo]

88. Dems all the way.

[Anaxamander]

81. I'll pledge to call whoever wins my President

no matter who he is.

I don't go for this whole renouncing my country thing.

[djjimz]

84. I was not renoucing my country...Anaxamander

I was merely trying to point out that we may not have our country if this insanity keeps up.
Sorry you misunderstood that.
Thanks you your pledge.
Peace!

[Anaxamander]

89. You said

If we lose the Presidency you fear that you may not call this your country anymore. Why wouldn't you? Do you think the U.S. is going anywhere? We've had our struggles under W, but the United States is still standing.

[djjimz]

91. Right!

And the planet earth will still be here after Global Warming also.
It will be uninhabitable, but it will still be here.
Don't play with my words to fit you agenda, pal.
This administration has already screwed with our rights and our constitution to a point where Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton are doing flip-flops in their graves.
Another eight years of this shit and this country will be under a despotism form of government.

And THAT is what I meant!

[Anaxamander]

92. Okay, well, I don't think you're right

You give the Republicans way too much credit. The United States has survived much worse.

[djjimz]

95. Yeah, maybe your right...

The civil war, two world wars, Paris Hilton...
:shrug:
Peace, man.
I don't want to argue with you, or anyone else.
I was only trying to make a point and I guess, with a few of you, I failed.

I just wish everyone would give it, a little bit, more thought, before throwing their votes away.
I love this country, maybe too much...

[NoPasaran]

94. I;ll be voting for our nominee

I'd vote for the worst of our candidates.

Fortunately, I expect to be voting for the best.

[djjimz]

96. Thanks for your pledge, NoPasaran...

And God bless us everyone...

I'll try this again in a few months.
Until then, see y'all..
And good luck to all true Democrats.
:dem:

[burrowowl]

97. I will vote for the Democratic Party's candidate

even a DLCer (DINO), although it will hurt like HELL!
There is no choice.

[skids]

98. I would even vote for Hillary...

...but would not campaign for her very enthusiastically. I'd still show up to vote though.

[Sparkly]

99. Count me in.

I will always vote against the Republican nominee, and to me that means voting for the Democrat.

[question everything]

100. Of course. If nothing else, it is the Supreme Court

that is at stake.

If many liberals will stay home - the way they did in 1968 - we will have a Supreme Court full of "Scalias and Thomases" and Bush will finally get his legacy - thanks to liberals.