Gore #1, Kucinich #2, .....?#3 (possibly an Independent)

[madmunchie]

I am still hoping against hope that Gore will run, if not though, I will vote for Kucinch. I am sick of the line up that we call our candidates, none of them is doing anything other than "posturing". They don't stand up for us, and they don't even agree with us on most of the issues. Why support them and vote for them? Just because the "Establishment" has sanctioned them to be "our" candidates, doesn't mean that I have to support them. The "Establishment" is what is corrupt and most of the politicians are part of that "Establishment". Voting for them would be voting to continue the same and I cannot do this any longer.

After the last 15+ years of really really watching what is going on in Politics in the U.S., I conclude that we really only have one political party. The disgust that I feel for what is happening in Washington D.C. literally makes me sick to my stomach. There really isn't one of the candidates that has shown me that they are #1 capable of the job, #2 has the integrity to do the job #3 isn't bought and paid for by the "Establishment", and/or #4 just another part of the problem (except for possibly Kucinich). Kucinich is at least consistent on his views and Kucinich is at least vocalizing what we all think and feel and has been doing this since 02', 03' or before. He isn't just "saying" what he thinks will get him the most votes as the others seem to be doing. I am sick of the politics in this country, I am sick of the props used to communicate for us, and I am sick of not really having a voice in our Democracy.

So for those that think I am throwing my vote away.....think again, voting for the "Establishment" candidates is an act of condoning the "Establishment".

[radiclib]

1. I'm a DK guy too, but don't totally dismiss Edwards

As much as I love Dennis, if his message fails to gain any traction between now and the early primaries, I'd like to see him throw his support to Edwards, who is starting to look (to me, anyway!) like a truly anti-establishment voice. Also, I wonder if Edwards, together with Dennis' supporters, isn't the only thing that can stop the Hillary juggernaut.

[Bucky]

2. You don't give up on Gore! Personally, I'm not giving up on Clark.

Okay, now I wish I hadn't vowed to never use the sarcasm tag.

[madmunchie]

10. Break your vow, I won't give up on Gore until I am ready to, because

I believe that he is the last real chance that we have to have a Government with intelligence, ethics and experience. Kucinch is the next hope, after that......we are Fucked.

[LWolf]

3. My thoughts are similar:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=55969&mesg_id=56502

[sallyseven]

4. Don't hang waiting. Not going to happen

We have to unite against the neo-cons.

[madmunchie]

12. Who has to unite against the neo-cons?

Who is going against the neo-cons? Who is blocking the neo-cons? Who is speaking out forcefully against the Neo-cons? What leader has called for us to really DO SOMETHING against the Neo-cons? Which members of the Dems just voted to censure/sanction whatever Move-On? What kind of a joke is this?

[Desertrose]

5. I agree..especially w/your last statement.

"voting for the "Establishment" candidates is an act of condoning the "Establishment".



I wish it wasn't this way....but our choices really suck...with the possible exception of DK.

[polichick]

6. Gore #1, as a Dem or an Independent...

The Dems could use a little wake-up call about now.

[fenriswolf]

7. gore for electablity if he runs

kucinich to heal the soul

gore/kucinich for a NWO that I can get behind

[superkia]

8. Dennis Kucinich is the only real chance at change in politics.

[bvar22]

9. I will be voting my conscience this year.

I've had enough, especially after the dismal performance of MY Party since 2006.

*Only ONE Democratic Candidate has consistently voted AGAINST the Iraq Occupation.

*Only ONE Democratic Candidate has spoken out AGAINST the Iraq "Oil Law" (a War Crime)

*Only ONE Democratic Candidate has presented a Clear and Consistent position on Wars of Aggression, and the need to JOIN the International Community on Land Mine Bans and the International Criminal Court.

*Only ONE Democratic Candidate has a Clear & Consistent position on Single Payer Universal HealthCare.

*Only ONE Democratic Candidate has a Clear & Consistent position on "Free Trade".

*Only ONE Democratic Candidate has a Clear & Consistent position on Election Reform and BBV. (Paper Ballots hand counted locally).

When it is no longer possible to vote FOR this candidate, I will find another who pledges to advance these issues. I will focus on the task at hand, and not spend time, sweat, and money supporting someone who works AGAINST these values.

I will sleep better.


”Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.” ---Dennis Kucinich

[Pachamama]

11. I'm feeling the same way....I'm tired of the "establishment" and Gore is my

candidate of choice and Dennis is amazing. I have people constantly teasing me about my "GORE '08 - Save the Planet" bumpersticker. I figure until the deadline to announce a run in the primaries or even as an independent, I'm not taking it off my trailer or car.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

13. Did you consider Gore an establishment candidate in 2000?

[Pachamama]

14. I did from the standpoint that by sheer association with being part of the Clinton Administration

that he was. But, I also had read his writings and knew that he had very different views than most of his peers (especially on the environment) and that he didn't always agree with the Clinton Administration. I think also sadly, the media painted a very false picture of him and he followed the advice of too many "advisors" that Gore's personality did not show through.

[madmunchie]

15. No, I didn't so much and I didn't really consider Washington to be

so "Establishment" at the time. I still saw the Repubs as the corrupt ones, the trouble makers, .... I actually registered as a Democrat for the 1st time in my life because I recognized that the 3 branches of Government being controlled by Repubs would be disastrous. (I had always been an Independent before and would like the day to come where I could feel so good about our Government that I could go back to an Independent status.) I wanted Gore in 2000' for a few reasons, one to try to maintain a balance of power - you know checks and balances, two to spite the Repubs that hounded Clinton for 2 terms, 3, I wasn't impressed with Bush, #4 I liked Gore.

[RFKJrNews]

16. Well, since you left the #3 slot open for suggestion...

may I respectfully submit Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for your consideration?

There is a growing movement/petition drive to draft him into the 2008 race, which you can learn about at http://RFKin2008.com

If he doesn't run, I'm for Kucinich all the way. Actually, a Kucinich/Kennedy ticket (or the other way around) would be my progressive dream come true!

As for Gore, I like him, but he would certainly face a difficult perception problem of being too "establishment" for many voters...and to run against Hillary, whom he served as VP for 8 years, might be considered poor political form. Sadly, I just can't see it happening.

[madmunchie]

18. Gore didn't serve Hillary as VP for 8 years, he served Bill. Hillary

was the 1st lady and since we haven't had a 1st Lady running against a former VP of their spouse, I don't think "form" has been established.

I will look into RFK though. If Gore doesn't run, Kucinich is #1 until somebody of some value comes along.

[Apollo11]

17. What if Gore endorses Edwards?

Here is what Gore said on CNN's Larry King Live, May 22nd:

Gore on Hillary Clinton
"She is running a very forceful campaign. She has earned the strong support of her constituents in New York."

Gore on Barack Obama
"He is also running a very strong campaign. I think that he is appealing to a lot of people who like the sense that he's talking about issues in a fresh way. And, you know, he has a lot of support."

Gore on John Edwards
"Likewise, running a strong campaign. Put out a lot of very thoughtful policy statements and positions. I think you can see the strength that he's gained from having been around the track last time."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/22/lkl.01.html


The League of Conservation Voters, which has not yet endorsed a candidate for president, described Edwards' plan as the "most comprehensive global warming plan of any presidential candidate to date."

"Senator Edwards' plan demonstrates that he understands the magnitude of the challenge before us and the need for bold leadership to meet it," LCV President Gene Karpinski said.

http://www.johnedwards.com/issues/energy/


Let's all find ways to show our support for Al Gore! :patriot:

Sign the Live Earth Pledge: www.liveearthpledge.org

Visit Al's site www.algore.com and read his blog http://blog.algore.com

Sign the petitions at www.algore.org and www.draftgore.com

Visit www.americaforgore.org and send your two cents to Al!

:kick:

[madmunchie]

19. Then it is Kucinich all the way

[redqueen]

20. ...

:D

[DangerDave921]

21. Exactly!

I saw someone speaking of country music a while back, and he said that every album by a male singer has at least one song on there bragging about how he's a rebel and a cowboy and not part of the Nashville establishment. Of course that song is written by a group of professional songwriters, which is the epitome of establishment.

Same thing with candidates. They all pretend to be anti-establishment, but how many can really say that?