Question for those that dislike/hate Hillary - When did your dislike/hatred start?

[Herman Munster]

Does it go all the way back to 1992 or is there one event that made you hate/dislike her?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. I dislike her Maoist tendencies, which makes the Hillary is a puke line seem comical to me

My very liberal friends in government all hate her, but not because she's too right wing. They hold her responsible for a lot of forced sensitivity training seminars (in the 1990s) that they felt were intrusive, insulting and dictatorial. As one friend in the government said, only half-way kidding, "I'll vote for her, then resign." (The Bush admin seems to have been much easier on federal workers I hang out with because Bush doesn't believe in government at all... hence less work to do.)

I would like more focus on individual rights and less on (often forced) consensus.

But I think she's a smart disciplined politician, so I don't mind the idea of her getting the nomination.

[Trisket-Bisket]

4. But she is a women and not Chinese.

I just can't understand your post.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. Shows how much you know! (kidding) I distrust what she used to call

communitarianism. I'm too much of an anarchist.

Every party has its excesses, but there is no chance of America going crazy left and every chance of going crazy right, so I vote straight Dem every time. At least as long as I have been alive they do a better job on civil liberties.

[Hepburn]

2. I just never liked her....

...from when she was First Lady. She comes across to me as very cold and calculating. Bill Clinton is warm and friendly and likable. Hillary is not...and not even maybe close to coming across as a warm, sincere and caring individual.

I don't like her and I never have.

[Trisket-Bisket]

12. Thank you for being honest.

Some people feel just like you. I agree with your praise of B.C. too.

I have to say this now. I have endured the worst kind of politics since 2001 and I want an accounting from somebody that knows it far more than my discomfort.

[Mojorabbit]

3. Tonight it

is some of her supporters that are making me want to puke. Some of the posts are so smug and oh I don't know. Maybe I am having a bad night. I have not made up my mind on any of them yet but I just read she refuses to sign the pledge of protecting the constitution. That alarms me.

[crim son]

5. I've disliked her since public opinion turned against the war

and she no longer had any excuse for supporting it. Nevertheless I believe she will get the nomination and if that's the case, I will vote for her. I don't hate her: I think she's a skilled politician with her own interests at heart and we don't need any more of that shit.

[Jersey Ginny]

6. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton? How is that democracy?

She is certainly does not have the charisma of her husband, but few do. I find her to be a poll watcher and I don't know where her core beliefs lie. She is so measured that I find her disingenuous. Also, America can and should do better than Clinton's and Bush's in the white house for the past 20 years and then maybe 4-8 more. That's not democracy.

[onenote]

27. if they are elected, how is it not democracy?

[swag]

7. I dislike her for setting back the cause of health care reform more than 20 years

in her infamous, politically tone-deaf actions of 1993-1994 that aided the ascendency of the Contract on America.

Also, she is a terrible public speaker and I turn the television off whenever she is on.

That having been said, I am sure she will make a good president, and I will vote for her.

[mitchum]

15. And such insights are precisely why I married YOU

she really does have a patronizing tone...and that's coming from me, fercristsakes!

[patrice]

8. I cried after the IWR vote.

I was unemployed, so I listened to everything that happened. Her speech lead me to believe that she was going to vote against the IWR. I cried when it was all over, maybe it was all of the YEAS who made me cry, but she was their leader.

[killbotfactory]

9. She supported the Iraq war

She, and the political factions she aligns herself with in the democratic party, did everything they could to sabatoge efforts to prevent it.

I didn't have any strong feelings about her either way before that.

[Lerkfish]

10. I don't consider her a candidate that addresses my core issue concerns

You keep wanting to frame that as hate, or a personal dislike, but its just business.
I'm a liberal. Her stand is what you like to call "centrist", but to me is the far right of the democratic party.

the issues that are important to me are these:
I'm against war in general, and the "war on terror" specifically.
I am against the US being in the business of preemptive invasion and torture of detainees.
I"m against the elimination of habeas corpus
I"m against the evaporation of civil rights and coopting of the DOJ by idealogues.
I"m against sacrificing social programs to reward corporations for outsourcing jobs
I"m against her (and edward's) health care plan that funnels monies to the main problem in healthcare today: the insurance for profit industry.
I"m against Big Pharma and their exploitation of the FDC
I"m against the PNAC plan of empire and hegemony in the middle east.
I"m against raping other countries for their resources and claiming its a humanitarian motivation.

IMHO, Clinton is either ENOUGH for these things I'm against or not strong enough in her objection to them.

:shrug:

[depakid]

16. Not to mention idiotic trade policies and media and financial deregulation

Looking at things from a policy perspective- there's not much to like (though you rarely hear Hillary's supporters bring up policy).

[Lerkfish]

28. well, I'd have a lot more respect for them if they did, even if I disagreed withthem

but that they never want to discuss it only raises red flags to me.

[ncabot22]

13. I wouldn't say I hate/dislike her

I don't know the woman so I cannot say I hate or dislike her--my problem with her is more attitude related, mostly on my part. I just feel she rode the coattails of her husband to get into the Senate and behaves as though she is owed the presidency. I'm not saying she is actually this way, I'm just saying that is what I perceive from her. Politically, I find her to be a finger in the wind politician. I don't think she has any convictions but merely waits to see what the popular view point will be and follows it.

My favourite candidate is Kucinich, though I really like Obama. He's a bit of a centrist, too, but his attitude is more refreshing than Clinton's. Just my opinion. Anyway, I'm Canadian and can't vote so my opinion is pretty worthless. :)

[illinoisprogressive]

14. I liked her in 92 but, since then it went downhill fast.

[AtomicKitten]

17. It started with the IWR and culminated in the Kyl-Lieberman amendment.

Peace, yo.

[MrMickeysMom]

18. I dislike her for President, I don't hate or dislike her as a person

and most of this stems from formally really, really liking her as a potential presidential candidate before she ever ran for the US senate.

Then she ran and won in the nearby state of NY where a lot of my family live/lived. Her positions did not live up to what I though was her earliest of visions- especially those in health care. Then, I distinctly recall her big bad speech in the senate before giving in to Mr. Bush. Paraphased, but acurate was her, "you'll be sorry if you're lying to us, Mr. Bush. We'll give you all this power, meanwhile, but we'll hold you accountable" speech. It fucking ripped my heart out right from THAT point. I then knew that she and so many others decided it wasn't so bad pissing all over us after-all. She must have been initiated into some group-think mindset... a pod person.

If she's trying to be all things to all parties now for the run, in other words, trying to nod-nod, wink-wink to convince those of us who are disgusted with her that her metamorphosis into a pod person neo conservatism hybrid is only a lark, and she'll really save our ass... well, I'm not taking my chances with that. I'm doing everything I can to get my local talk shows, newspapers and discussion groups like this to THINK about this.

You've got to ask yourself... do you really want to enter into a nod-nod, wink-wink trusting relationship for the future of this nation as a result of that kind of subterfuge?

I don't. That's why I no longer trust pod people.

But, hey- thank you for allowing me this time to answer your question.

[hedgehog]

19. I disliked her and Bill because I saw them doing an end run

around candidates I preferred. The nationwide interview on 60 Minutes was a godsend since it gave the Clintons more exposure than the other candidates had put together. Tom Harkin and Jerry Brown were running that year, but I saw the discussion shift from the issues to the question of did Bill do it or didn't he? I hadn't heard of the DLC at that point, but I sure recognized that something was up.

[rucky]

20. Her comments on Iraq and Iran. Her non-committal answers.

then her insurance plan did it for me.

Her more vocal supporters on DU don't help her image much, either.

If she's nominated, so be it, but until then...

[fadedrose]

21. My dislike started when . . . .

I read her book. Saw her as shallow.

Heard her speak at rallies, particularly the year Dean lost in Iowa - didnt realize till then that she was the worst public speaker in America.

I watched her speech the day they took the vote on whether to give George the authority to go to war. I was ready to throw my shoe at the TV. Never forgave her. My senators voted against it - Levin and Stabinow.

She is so phony.

I hate her laugh, or cackle, on interviews with Larry King, etc.,

I just can't stand her, can't stand her....

As lousy a speaker as George Bush is, his voice isn't what gets on my nerves, it's what he says.

I hate to vote Republican, but if she's nominated, I just may.

[zulchzulu]

22. It's not "dislike" and certainly not "hatred"...

It's about supporting a candidate who I feel would be a lot better for this country and the World at this particular time.

Do I have issues with Hillary Clinton's voting record on some issues? Yes.

For me, it's the D.R.A.G. principle.

D is for dynasties.
I think America can do a lot better than have two families be President over nearly a thirty-year period.

R is for Republicans.
I know that the only way the GOP will get their base out in droves is to vote against two Clintons.

A is for arrogance.
When Bill Clinton says that anyone who criticizes his wife is doing the GOP's bidding, that's arrogant and false. When Terry MacAulliffe says that those who don't obey the Clinton Machine will pay politically, he's also arrogant and false. I'll leave it to those two examples.

G is for grandstanding.
Voting for the war in Iraq and upcoming (if we let it) war in Iran as well as trying to make it a federal crime to "desecrate" the American flag are just two of many head-scratching oddities that Clinton has fumbled with. That's not what I want and not the kind of "experience" I want either.

I've seen some Clinton supporters try to eschew the obvious in my view. I wish them well in their support for her, but I am looking for what I feel is something better.

[nancyr]

23. She's a politician......that is all.

[mmonk]

24. I don't hate her. I hate the brag and bash postings.

I'd rather see a thread in the order of the threads rinsd is generating on each of the candidates.

[Imagevision]

25. Everyone is dreaming of what it was like when Bill was prez and hoping for the best with Hillary

other then that? Hillary will simply say whatever, just whatever...! oh, and throw out a cackle or three when presented with the opportunity.

[PatSeg]

26. I used to like her a lot

When Bill was running for president, Hillary was refreshingly outspoken and candid. She had great energy and wasn't afraid to speak her mind.

She is another person to me now. Over the past years I saw her turn into a politician's politician. Too much double talk and scripted speeches. She became very chummy with Newt Gingrich and Rupert Murdoch, which showed a total lack of character. Then I kept waiting for her to apologize for her IWR vote and she would not take any responsibility for it all.

Her speaking style is grating on the nerves, but she's improved somewhat lately. Though she is polished and professional, she is too scripted and I'm never quite sure where she stands on anything. This is a time when I want to hear direct, honest answers.

This is not the Hillary I remember. That Hillary might get my vote.

[MadHound]

29. I don't dislike/hate Hillary, never have

I'm sure that personally she's a warm, interesting person. However it is her policies that I abhor, and the fact that she is more than willing, much like her husband, to sell out her political stance and policies to the highest bidder. This is why I cannot abide having her for president, she will continue to sell out this country for that filthy lucre. This is not the type of politician we need in the White House right now.

[Carolina]

30. Her IWR vote

did it for me.

How could you I thought?! How could you cede to Bush (of all people!)so much power. She had to know about PNAC and anyone with a grain of brain, even more so someone who had been so close to power, had to realize BushCo was lying about Iraq, that 15/19 hijackers plus Osama were Saudi and that terrorism is NOT A NATION you can simply bomb to smithereens.

[Dawgs]

31. I started not to like her when she said 'I TRUSTED BUSH to not go to war'.

[Apollo11]

32. When she started laughing at straight questions on serious topics

Like why did she trust President Bush in 2002 or should we go to war with Iran.

So for me it's a conclusion based on watching the campaign over the past 9 months.

But I don't feel any hatred. Let's just say I prefer some of the other candidates.

Like Barack Obama - especially since his great speech in Chicago on Tuesday.

[Tesha]

33. We sent her Senate campaign a bunch of money. Then..

Mr. Tesha and I sent her Senate campaign a *BUNCH* of
money.

But once she was elected, in the first few votes she
cast that we paid any attention to, she voted against
our interests on every one. I particularly remember
her votes *FOR* giving Bush authority to begin his
long-sought-for war and her votes to ban flag burning.
At this point, we decided she was just a panderer.

She will *NEVER* have our suport again, in any way,
shape, or form.

*NEVER*.

Tesha

[sniffa]

34. i was indifferent when she was 1st Lady

despite her carpetbagging, i thought she'd be a good senator. when her votes started coming in the disLike factor snowbaLLed. now she's running for president on her name, and cash machine, and doesn't take a position on ANYTHING.

some say it's smart, but it's rather sickening.

[jmp]

35. It's a culmination of things ...

with the Iran vote being the final straw.

[zanne]

36. I don't dislike Hillary

I support Barack Obama. You don't have to polarize it that way. I don't have to "hate" Hillary to be an Obama supporter, or vice versa. It's much more complex than that.

[niceypoo]

37. A lot of it is inherited from the GOP

Its the old GOP mantra, repeat something often enough and it eventually becomes fact, in the minds of many. It is how propaganda works.