Maybe Hillary's laugh has helped her

[Quixote1818]

Several months ago everyone had this perception that she was cold and not a people person. Believe me, that would have been deadly for her as a candidate! If people don't like you then you are OUT! Her people knew they had to revamp her image and make her more likable. With all these videos of her laughing and smiling and being friendly perhaps people are now seeing her 110% differently than they did several months ago? The laugh does seem a little awkward but I don't think it comes even close to rising to the level of the Dean scream or Al Gores sigh. Plus not liking someone because they laugh too much is MUCH different than someone sighing and coming across as superior to the other person.

I think the laugh will disappear for a while so it doesn't get any more negative press but she will refine it and it will be back because it helps her more than it hurts her.

This coming from someone who was pretty hard on her for the laugh a few days ago.

[ShortnFiery]

1. No, HRC couldn't be any more duplicitous and mechanical. She has No Elvis.

:shrug:

[rusty quoin]

5. Yes to you and me, but how do you explain her in recent polling.

I remember back before the 92 elections reading in the paper about Gore and Clinton getting out of the bus to pass around a football, which I thought was foolish. That kind of stuff swings votes. I have no idea why.

[ShortnFiery]

13. I have a masters degree and I've worked for the government crunching numbers: Survey Research.

Many people have NO IDEA how you can skew Polling Data to say any damn thing you want it to.

No, I honestly don't believe the polls. The M$M is that corrupt. :shrug:

[pnwmom]

32. I've also worked in survey research. You have to evaluate each

survey on its own; some, but not all, are deliberately skewed. I know that at the organization I worked for (one of the major ones) we tried hard to construct accurate and fair questionnaires, and to develop representative samples. We also were careful in reporting results to never say one candidate was ahead of another when the "difference" was within the margin of error -- a mistake I often see made these days.

[ruggerson]

39. Yes, it's all a DLC plot

they control all the polling data, they control the media, WATCH OUT! they are in the room watching you type -

[pnwmom]

33. She's very popular in New York, with approval ratings above 60% and

disapproval in the 30's. I think that as she's come out from behind Bill's shadow, people are warming to her.

When I read those letters she wrote as a college student, she sounded like a witty and thoughtful person, who could laugh at herself -- much like the person she is showing to the world now.

[alittlelark]

2. It is choreographed....

:puke:

[Semper_FiFi]

14. "Choreographed"?

This from someone with Al Gore as an avatar? If Gore were any more wooden he would have "Geppetto Fecit" stamped on his ass.:rofl:

[saltpoint]

15. Have to disagree. These days, Al's limbered up considerably. That smooch

he and Tipper conducted on stage on world cable news was a smoker. They looked pretty good at it if you ask me.

Also, his language and voice are far more fluid and resonant than they'd been up to say, 2000 or 2001.

I speak as a Bill Bradley delegate from the 2000 primary election and I give Gore the credit he's due.

Also it's quite possible he'll be in the news in about a week or so. Something about glaciers melting...

[pnwmom]

35. Al and Hillary are both older, and looser. Some people do get better,

or at least more confident in disclosing themselves, as they mature.

[saltpoint]

41. Thumbs up to that, pnwmom. Right on.

[alittlelark]

17. Funny how you focused on the 'Al Gore' issue.....

Quite a leap, but, yes you should be scared. You are likely not stoooopid and realize that Gore would have D+R votes to a landslide.

As for the 'choreographed' - her handlers tell her what to do.

[Semper_FiFi]

20. "scared"?

Why should I be "scared"? Is your post meant to frighten? I'm not the one running (and neither is Gore). Landslide? What proof do you have for this? Do you have a link? Or are you just blowing smoke? As for her "handlers" telling HRC "what to do"---you have proof? Or are you on the "inside"?

:rofl:

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[Semper_FiFi]

29. Who's offering you the sale of anything?

What in the world are you squawking about? You don't make any sense at all. But, then, you didn't make any sense from the word "go".

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[Semper_FiFi]

36. Really? Are you applying for the job?

Where did you read anything about a "bridge" or the "sale" of anything? Or are you seeing things? I suggest you put down the bottle and stop drinking. You are pickling your brain.

As I wrote to you previously, why don't you supply some links to your assertions.

But, of course, you can't. You are just troll-ing through.:rofl:

[Colobo]

3. Nope. She has just managed to portray herself as inevitable.

[Quixote1818]

16. You are probably right

She certainly is beginning to seem "inevitable". Perhaps that is why I am trying to warm up to her. To lessen the blow down the road. I didn't like Dean when I thought he was going to win and beat my candidate Clark but once they were both out I realized how much I really liked Dean. I think a lot of people who have strong convictions about their candidate have a hard time warming up the the competition but if they win, sooner or later your perception will soften and they suddenly seem OK.

I like Edwards and Obama but I will certainly get behind Hillary if she wins.

[marmar]

4. The laugh definitely didn't do anything to make her seem less "cold"....

It was the phoniest, most manufactured sound I've heard, and she should just cease with it....

It won't hurt with the base in the primaries, but it could with the less issue-oriented voters in the general, who look for things like perceived genuine-ness and likability when they vote.

[emilyg]

9. I never thought she was cold.

[Imagevision]

6. Maybe the MSM like the GOP favor Hillary? it is all about selling popcorn folks...

[BenDavid]

7. "I thought it was a good thing

to hear her laugh at the Fox interviewer who tried to paint her as crazy over her statements about a "right wing conspiracy" against her. To me the hearty laugh was not some lame attempt at "humanizing" her but an attempt to show that the Fox interviewers didn't have power over her--a way to completely break out of the picture they were painting of her instead of arguing at the margins. It was a quick demonstration: "that's laughable"--followed by "If you had walked in our shoes ..." Everyone knows the right wing has had it in for Hillary and has focussed on her as some kind of menace, and that it's really been the right wing that's been kind of crazy in this fixation on her and her supposed radical liberalism."Bram-Live Journal"

Hell! Maybe next week the right will say something about her dimples. They have said things about her cleavage. Her hair....Hell, I cannot wait to hear what they have to say about HRC's liver....

Ben David

[Quixote1818]

10. That is how Randi Rhodes saw it too. nt

[JDPriestly]

8. Do you really mean to suggest that Hillary will "refine" her laugh and it will be back?

You've got to be kidding. The problem with the laugh is that it is such a cold, calculating, villainous sounding laugh. Refining it will just make things worse.

I was thinking about this whole issue today and came to the conclusion that one of the primary problems I have about Hillary's candidacy is that I've had enough of electing a president with a foot in the past. I don't want another president who is trying to right wrongs done to a family member by the other political party or foreign leaders in the past. I want a change. I want a leader who is focused on the future. We have several candidates who fit the bill. My favorite is Edwards, and I am working for his campaign. But Hillary and her laugh. Oh, please, why can't people see where that will lead us and the whole nation. We don't need four years of revenge of the Clintons for wrongs done in the past. Let's move forward. The country can't afford a president as bitter as Hillary's laugh.

[Carrieyazel]

50. For those of us who support other candidates, this whole mess

has really been a morale booster. It was clearly consultant-driven nonsense, and it will cost her. The laugh has clearly backfired, and it isn't over yet. And if it helps the other (better) candidates, including Edwards, it can only be good news for Democrats.

[saltpoint]

11. I don't have any problem with the way the woman laughs. It might be

good if more public servants laughed at media-types more often, in fact.

[Lucinda]

34. Yup.

[superkia]

12. It seems comletely fake to me,just a forced laugh HaHAHAHa ha.

Oh did everyone forget the serious question just asked ? No ok ha ha.... ha.. ha they forget yet, now let me dance around the subject that was brought up and ignore the direct question. Oh so presidential. I know everyone likes poking at Dennis Kucinich but I respect him because he isn't afraid to answer questions directly, its like he really means what he says. So strange from a politician, but I guess when you don't sell your soul, your not worried about appeasing a certain crowd, you just answer honestly. I think one day in America more people will appreciate honesty and someone in politics being straightforward but it looks like it wont be 2008.

[alittlelark]

18. Are you drunk?

Kinda thoughtsinprogressionthenpuking

[superkia]

21. No, I stay away from drugs, alcohol and cigarettes. I only...

take the drugs the doctors sell to me when I have a cold. :-)

[alittlelark]

22. yeah.

[superkia]

25. Come on, I will pee in a cup for you. You can test it or do whatever...

it is that you want with it.:headbang:

[alittlelark]

26. Real appealing..... GO AWAY!!!!!!

Seriously - get a life.... go away.

[superkia]

27. I was commenting on her fake laugh on a public board in my own way.

You are the one that decided to turn this into something immature and rude, not me. So yes I will go away from you, please do the same. I would rather not talk to immature children that treat people like you do. Maybe you could get some counseling and then you will be able to handle speaking to people without the negative attitude, it would do DU a service. Really, stop trying to insult me and stick to what the post was talking about, I don't think DU is meant for your personal attacks.

Next time someone posts a reply to the OP, try not to be rude and attack people. It really looks like you are the one that needs to go away, I was only commenting on Clintons fake cackle, the OP.

I hope all is well, good day.:pals:

[alittlelark]

28. Get a life, a star, a world -view....

As an 'immature child' I will stick my tongue out at you.


And to tell you you are obvious and obnoxious (we keep some for months)...


Just go away... really, just GO AWAY!

[riverdale]

42. I agree with you

Hillary's laugh is fake, and "a little lark" is acting a little like a jackass.

[superkia]

44. Thanks for the support, I thought I was becoming a drug addict?

[rusty quoin]

19. The thing is we don't really know.

I never met her. Many who know her like Al Frankin says she has a great sense of humor. We see attempts at what they want us to see. By they, I mean the handlers.

[alittlelark]

23. uh, yeah.... you never met her

All the rest of here have...........

[Carrieyazel]

51. Don't give up hope for next year. Hillary is not inevitable by any means.

This stupid laugh, will end up costing her.

[illinoisprogressive]

30. that cackle is a tip off for ducking the questions and it's like nails on a blackboard...

[Semper_FiFi]

37. Hussein Obama would be so proud of you!

:applause:

[applegrove]

38. I think she is likeable when she laughs. She should keep it up. Or use it

a little more sparingly these days. But for sure it warms her up. After all she has been through these past 15 years..why shouldn't she laugh at stupid "gotya" questions.

[muffin1]

40. Yep!

Love the laugh. According to those who know her best, she laughs like this all the time. She is finally showing her true self. I swear, if she looks too serious, she's called cold. If she laughs, she's a fake...what exactly would make people happy???

[Carrieyazel]

46. It doesn't seem likable when you're laughing at things that are not funny, though.

I fully understood the laugh at Wallace's "hyperpartisan" question. But all the others. It did not look good.

[Apollo11]

43. It hurts me to admit it - but you might have a point

I am one of the people who has been critical of Hillary's excessive use of laughter during the past couple of weeks (as Hillary's fans here will testify).

I thought her laughing was VERY effective in her appearance on FOX News Sunday (September 23rd).

But I thought during the MSNBC debate, and also on Real Time with Bill Maher, it looked like she was using the laughing as a way to avoid dealing with difficult questions.

But the majority of people don't spend time trawling YouTube looking for clips of every TV appearances. At most they might have seen 1 or 2 of Hillary's recent TV interviews.

I think on balance, and if used sparingly, the laughing makes Hillary look more relaxed and happy! :-)

I have an honors degree in Psychology and I have seen research showing that in 2000 and 2004, George Bush was perceived by many people as "the happy guy". Most of us her on DU always hated his smirk - but back then a lot of Republicans saw it as a warm smile(!)

In contrast - Al Gore and John Kerry were seen as too serious and therefore "the sad guy".

A lot of folks will always vote for "the happy guy" over "the sad guy".

I think it will only help Hillary if people see her as "the happy guy" (in in her case, gal) B-)


Disclaimer: I do not support Hillary Clinton's campaign. GORE-OBAMA 2008 B-)

[Carrieyazel]

45. Interesting outlook, but that's never going to happen. The laugh has done some major damage to her.

It's all over the Web, everywhere. And most of the responses have not been kind. And if this continues for a few more weeks, it might very well approach scream/sigh territory. Its the most embarassing moment of the campaign for her so far, and I don't know how they can stop it.

[SaveElmer]

47. The fact that opponents take to commenting on her laugh...

That a thread like this gets reply after reply denying that it helps her, and that there have been multiple threads on the topic...just shows how dominant she is...I mean c'mon...people here are criticizing her for her laugh...her laugh for god sakes...

Are people so worried that she will continue to pull away that even the most banal of her personality traits becomes an avenue of attack...?

She is a bit like the Yankees...the more successful they are the more irrational the hatred of them gets...we daily get news of the success Hillary is having in this campaign, and with every piece her critics find even more bizarre things to criticize her for...

Let's just hope we can get the Republicans to do the same thing...because the more over the top it gets, the more it helps her...

[paulk]

48. I don't think the laugh was done to make her more likable

I think it was done to show disdain for the stupid questions she was asked.

And I don't think it hurt her - I've been waiting years for someone to just laugh in the face of assholes like Chris Wallace. It was the perfect response, fake or not.

[Carrieyazel]

49. If you're going to show disdain, why not just be firm and serious?

Laughing (forced and staged) doesn't help you. It just doesn't.

[paulk]

53. sez who?

has it hurt her?

she's gone up in the polls since "the laugh".

[Jim Sagle]

52. I think it HAS helped her.

I must admit, I LIKE her laugh. Her corporatism, not so much.

Hopefully the voters will prioritize as needed. Even with the media's "help."