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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 11:45 PM
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Obama Starts Hitting Notes the Base Wants to Hear



With that in mind, I was impressed with yesterday’s Obama’s speech at DePaul, on both substantive and stylistic grounds. The main policy headline from the remarks emphasized nuclear proliferation, but I was also struck by the senator’s comments about the media and the DC establishment.

he conventional thinking today is just as entrenched as it was in 2002. This is the conventional thinking that measures experience only by the years you’ve been in Washington, not by your time spent serving in the wider world.

“This is the conventional thinking that has turned against the war, but not against the habits that got us into the war in the first place — the outdated assumptions and the refusal to talk openly to the American people.

“Well I’m not running for President to conform to Washington’s conventional thinking — I’m running to challenge it. I’m not running to join the kind of Washington groupthink that led us to war in Iraq – I’m running to change our politics and our policy so we can leave the world a better place than our generation has found it. <…>

“I want to be straight with you. If you want conventional Washington thinking, I’m not your man. If you want rigid ideology, I’m not your man. If you think that fundamental change can wait, I’m definitely not your man. But if you want to bring this country together, if you want experience that’s broader than just learning the ways of Washington, if you think that the global challenges we face are too urgent to wait, and if you think that America must offer the world a new and hopeful face, then I offer a different choice in this race and a different vision for our future.”

He used the word “conventional” eight times in the speech, all of them in the context of criticism.
Obama generally avoids picking fights with the press, so this was certainly welcome:

, the American people weren’t just failed by a President – they were failed by much of Washington. By a media that too often reported spin instead of facts. By a foreign policy elite that largely boarded the bandwagon for war. <…>

“The fact that violence today is only as horrific as in 2006 is held up as progress. Washington politicians and pundits trip over each other to debate a newspaper advertisement while our troops fight and die in Iraq.”

That’s good stuff. Indeed, while most Dems want to avoid talk about MoveOn and the “Betray Us” ad, here’s Obama embracing it as an example of what’s gone wrong with the political discourse in DC.

As Greg Sargent explained in a terrific post, “What’s striking about these lines is how tightly they’re in sync with the liberal blogospheric critique of the Beltway media. All these points hit on by Obama here — the frequent pundit assertion that Dems will look weak if they don’t walk in lockstep behind the GOP; the uncritical acceptance of administration spin; the punditry and media’s willingness to parrot the GOP line on stories such as the MoveOn ad flap — are central pillars in that media critique…. ere you have Obama saying things about the Beltway press and punditry that could have been written by Atrios or Glenn Greenwald.”

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/13093.html
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Trisket-Bisket Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:00 AM
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1. Just another blog opinion.
The working class which is the base of the Democratic Party is not supporting B.O. I wish him and you well,but he just doesn't resonate. I want a fighter,not a compromiser.

The "Rodney King" stance is a real loser.

No, I can't "just get along" with GOP anymore.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 07:52 AM
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5. The working class if the base on America...period
No matter if you're a Dem, Con, or Indy. "Working-class" is too broad of a term to go by. If the Base is based off sites like DU and Daily Kos, etc then the BASE supports Edwards and Obama more than they do Clinton. Clinton garners MOST of her support from Moderate Dems and DLC types.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:24 PM
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11. The netroots does not represent the base of the Dem party
It just doesn't. It is part of the base. But only about a quarter of Americans go online for politics, and all of those are not Dems; more than in 2004, but still not the preponderance of the base.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:37 PM
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20. I didn't say the netroots represents the base...
But the Dem netroots do tend to be more Liberal than conservative. And since Liberals are said to be the base of the party (whether or not that's true...I don't know)....
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 07:01 PM
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21. I think the base is a spread
Left to liberal to conservative just like society at large. People want to think only their own affinity group is the base, but it's not. The base really is broad and covered by a big tent. The traditional base is actually working class, labor unions and ethnic groups, but with time those groups have advanced overall into the middle class or professional class, so it's not so limited in those ways as it once was, but there are working class, labor unions and ethnic groups that replaced the ones who moved on up. The netroots, though, is demographically better off financially and more educated, generally, than the traditional base, thence more liberal, generally. Or so I think :)

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:04 AM
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2. Obama has plenty of time to score points, rope a dope time....
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Trisket-Bisket Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 02:54 AM
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3. No rope,
Just dope.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:01 AM
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4. Obama's speech on Tuesday was very impressive
It was the best speech of the campaign (by any candidate) until now.

You can read it here: www.barackobama.com/speeches

:kick:
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 08:57 AM
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6. Your next President!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:18 PM
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7. "Obama Starts Hitting Notes the Base Wants to Hear"
in other words...pandering
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:19 PM
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8. Bingo...give that man a CEEEGAR!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:19 PM
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9. yup. You beat me to it.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:36 PM
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14. Hillary has the honors in pandering.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 07:16 PM
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23. "Pandering" is telling voters what they want to hear
Telling bloggers what they want to hear... that's statesmanship!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:22 PM
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10. LOL. Should read Obama panders to netroots because he fears election loss.
Here's Obama on Kos when he didn't need them

http://nymag.com/news/politics/21681/index4.html

“One good test as to whether folks are doing interesting work is, Can they surprise me?” he tells me. “And increasingly, when I read Daily Kos, it doesn’t surprise me. It’s all just exactly what I would expect.”
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 12:26 PM
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12. Good! Maybe that's why he's up to 26% in today's Rasmussen poll...
You know, the one the Hillary supporters are always posting. :D
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:34 PM
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13. Well please do show us your happy happy news.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 03:52 PM
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15. Go get it yourself. Go to Ras's site. The only reason I took you off ignore
was because I also had Tellurian on ignore and I wondered who was the one replying. You're a nasty poster and I'll do no favors for you. Now go ahead and curse me out like you so often do. :eyes:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:00 PM
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16. Tellurian on Ignore...Clinton 53%, Obama 20%, Edwards 13%
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 04:05 PM by Tellurian
October 3, 2007 Washington Post/ABC News:

Clinton 53%, Obama 20%, Edwards 13%

Love it!

:rofl:


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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:12 PM
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17. So where is the 26% uptick
for BO What am I missing :shrug:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 04:17 PM
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18. Thanks sweety. I looked but did not find anything.
I don't "curse out" the impaired. I help them

That is my profession :loveya:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 05:35 PM
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19. Here you go, idiot...and I mean that with all due respect...
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 05:40 PM by jenmito
since you apparently can't find Rasmussen's site:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

Now you go back on ignore with Tellurian. :boring:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-04-07 07:10 PM
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22. I saw that but dismissed it.
Edited on Thu Oct-04-07 07:28 PM by durrrty libby
Now I see that you believe barely moving on the stagnation bar is cause for celebration

Ok got it.:yourock: :applause: :woohoo:

Edit to add...I'm on ignore? cool. I'll be sure to make some jenmito jokes

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