Insider Advantage: Hillary breaks 50% in Florida...

[SaveElmer]

On the heels of news that she broke 50% in a national WP survey, and in a later poll of New Jersey Democrats...Hillary breaks the 50% mark in Florida according to a new Insider Advantage Poll

The latest InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion poll shows Hillary Clinton has opened a commanding lead over her Democratic rivals in Florida, and continues to lead the field in South Carolina – an early primary state Barack Obama can’t afford to lose.

In Florida, Clinton has increased her percentage among likely Democratic primary voters to 53 percent, up from 36 percent in an InsiderAdvantage /Majority Opinion poll conducted in late August.

The new poll gives Clinton a nearly 33-point lead in Florida over Obama, her closest rival.

“The biggest movement in Florida is that we are beginning to see African-American voters moving in the direction of Clinton,” said InsiderAdvantage CEO Matt Towery.

Clinton currently has the support of 49 percent of African-American Democratic likely primary voters, while Obama has the support of 33 percent.

The only age quadrant in which Clinton is below 50 percent in Florida is among voters age 18-29. But Obama doesn’t benefit so much from the youth vote either – John Edwards has the support of 25 percent in this age group, while Obama has 22 percent.

Hillary continues to lead in South Carolina as well...35-27 over Obama. Hillary's support slipped slightly with people moving to the no opinion column...

In South Carolina – which Obama has indicated will be critical to his campaign – Clinton leads with 35 percent of likely Democratic primary voters. That’s down from the 43 percent she polled in a late July poll, but Obama’s 28 percent is nearly identical to what he got in the July poll. Clinton’s slide comes mostly from a movement of more Democratic voters into the “no opinion” column.

Obama garners 44 percent of African-American voters in the South Carolina poll, to Clinton’s 36 percent.

http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/free/2007/October/10-5-07/Florida_SC_Dems_Poll10519633.php

[wyldwolf]

1. certain people are cringing over this news

[still_one]

4. and I don't blame them. When we are in Iraq 5 years from now

how will it be justified

[wyldwolf]

6. I seem to recall all three in the top tier giving near identical answers on that question

[still_one]

7. and that answer in itself appears to be trying to justify it..

I don't think the families of the dead will agree

[wyldwolf]

10. no, that answer exposes your hypocrisy of only condemning Clinton for it.

[still_one]

12. did my answer specifically mention Clinton, or was it a general statement? /nt

[wyldwolf]

13. this thread is about Clinton. Since you did not name anyone in your reply....

... the logical conclusion is it was about Clinton.

[still_one]

16. I have a problem with ANYONE who want to keep a "presence in Iraq"

Of course those that ascribe by that policy, I suggest that if their candidate wins in 2008, they join the military to help maintain that policy

[wyldwolf]

17. show me an example, then, of you taking a similar stand against Obama and Edwards

[SaveElmer]

19. Sounds like still_one is triangulating...

But we know only the Clinton's do that...

[still_one]

20. Do you think I like Obama or Edwards particularly? The fact that Edwards voted for the IWR

when he said he knew better is quite troubling. The fact that Obama or for that matter Hillary have problems making a decision until they see which way the wind is blowing is also troubling

I have no idea who I will vote for in the primaries. California is an open primary state, and if it looks like it is close between guliani and thompson, I may just vote for thompson, because I think he will lose in a major way over any Democratic candidate once the people realize not only how right wing he is, but also how stupid

On the other hand, if the Democratic nomination isn't wrapped up by the time it gets to California, I will have to vote Democratic, but I may not decide until I get into the voting booth

I am not enamoured by any of our front runners

[Clark2008]

23. While I'm in the same boat as you regarding the Democratic

candidates, I have to chide you into NOT voting for Thompson - he'll kick our asses. The fundies, corporatists and swing-vote Bubbas don't CARE that's he's dumb. They'll vote for him because he's a good ole boy.

Go with Guiliani - he'll lose the fundie vote on the right and aid in a Democratic victory.

[still_one]

26. Have you ever heard thompson speak an unrehearsed question

The idiot couldn't even talk about Jena La, and the race problems occurring there

First of all, most likely I will not vote for a republican in the open primary, just considering it if the Democratic nomination is sewed up

Why I am worried about Guilliani, is because he record says he is pro-choice, and moderate on some social issues, and I believe he can attract more independents away from the Democrats. When those independents hear thompson they are just going to shake their heads. He is an extreme right wing.

I agree that the red-neck fundies will vote for thompson, but we would never vie for those votes anyway. Corporatists don't care. I just think that guiliani is a major threat to the independent voter

Incidently, another thread just started on DU that stated, "Richard Lamm president of the Southern Baptists has endorsed Rudy Giuliani"

I appreciate your insight though

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Hart, Tsongas, And Dean Agree - The Race Is Over!!!

:rofl:

I guess that people are drawn to Clinton by all of the times she's fought for legislation and won...

:rofl: :rofl:

Or, heck, the times she just fought for any legislation at all!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SaveElmer]

3. Thank You, Thank You Very Much!

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Hey - *Anything* For Sir Rupert

Don't mention it - he's the model Democrat that many seem to aspire to, so I'm happy to help.

[wyldwolf]

5. at what point did either of them have this big a lead and this much money?

[MannyGoldstein]

21. *Exactly* What They Said About Dean!!!

Worked out pretty well for him, eh?

[wyldwolf]

25. Really? Got a link?

[durrrty libby]

28. You can't hold MG accountable for anything. Doesn't everyone

have a crazy old uncle propped in the corner mumbling

incoherent banality during the holidays?

[MannyGoldstein]

29. Is It Really So Hard to Use Google?

"Two polls last week showed Dean opening up an all-but-insurmountable lead of 30 points over Kerry in New Hampshire, a state that the Massachusetts Senator once seemed to have a lock on." Time Magazine http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,557078,00.html

"Al Gore makes Howard Dean awfully hard to beat in the race for the Democratic nomination. The primary season has not even begun and Howard Dean is beginning to look unstoppable." - The Economist (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5037/is_200312/ai_n18261829)

(Of course I once again found this pile of crap from the Hillarites while I was searching: http://207.234.232.77/other/2006/3348carville_v_dean.html)

[wyldwolf]

30. but that isn't "*exactly* what they said about Dean!!"

Now, is? :ROFL:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Sometimes I Think There Is A Negative Relationship

Sometimes I think there is a negative relationship between the abundance of emoticons and the paucity of thought.

[iamjoy]

9. It's Likely To Stay That Way

Since the candidates can't campaign here, all Floridians will get is what the media spoon feeds them - that is, that Hillary's nomination is inevitable.

This concerns me. I know she's fought the Republicans before and won, but I'm quite suspicious about the lack of real attacks from the right against her. I think they're holding back the worst of it until it's too late. Although there really isn't much new they can throw at her, just bringing up all the old stuff may be enough to sink her and our chances for the White House in 2008.

[still_one]

14. If Edwards drops out or Obama drops out things will tighten up in a major way

As far as your statement that Clinton has too much baggage. Her supporters know that, her campagin knows that, she knows that, and if she wins the nomination, and loses the election because of that, right or wrong, the Democrats deserve just what they get.

However, if she is able to overcome those potential attacks and win the nomination, and and the general election, the Democrats also deserve what they get.

[SaveElmer]

15. That may happen...but polling says just the opposite...

Her lead increases when pitted head to head against either Obama or Edwards...

[still_one]

18. Until that happens it doesn't mean anything, and it will happen sooner than later

either Edwards will go first or Obama, then we can see what the effect is

[iamjoy]

27. Deserve What They Get?

I resent that statement, deserving what we get.

What about the Democrats who didn't vote for her in the primary? Would we deserve what we get if a Republican takes the White House again?

Did we deserve 8 disastrous years of George W. Bush? Do we - does America - deserve the loss of personal liberties, crushing debt, elevation of the wealthiest at the expense of the middle class, loss of status abroad, etc all because we Democrats failed to pick good candidates or run good campaigns in 2000 and 2004?

Deserve what they get - it sounds like a Republican attitude to me - or maybe a blame the victim mentality.

[Carrieyazel]

11. That WP survey is way off other polls, I can't see a 33 point lead nationally

I really wonder if Florida moved to an earlier date to help Hillary. But it looks like the DNC will not count Florida's delegates until the convention.

[durrrty libby]

24. Fabulous, I hope she goes over 50 everywhere.

DUer Aya Reiko posted amazing graphic polls.

All his hard work could use a little love. Thanks

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