Why is Obama failing in 49 of 50 states?

[Tellurian]

October 5, 2007 Strategic Vision New Jersey poll: Clinton 52%, Obama 21%

October 5, 2007 Strategic Vision Pennsylvania poll: Clinton 42%, Obama 24%

October 3, 2007 Washington Post/ABC News: Clinton 53%, Obama 20%, Edwards 13%

October 3, 2007 AP/Ipsos: Clinton 40%, Obama 26%, Edwqrds 12%

October 3, 2007 Quinnipiac New York poll: Clinton 47%, Obama 15%, Edwards 7%, Gore 9%

October 2, 2007 Zogby New Hampshire poll: Clinton 38%, Obama 23%, Edwards 12%



Apparently, he can't WIN!

[cali]

1. Why do you think Hillary is a done deal when

there hasn't been one vote cast yet?

[Tellurian]

3. None of her supporters have EVER said that..

However, it's a common meme at DU promoted by her rivals.

[Tellurian]

2. It seems the first indication he's not the candidate to back for the election is:

Hillary out raised him this quarter, meaning his support is waining not growing stronger.

It also seems his strongest support is the virtual reality of DU...alone!

[Yael]

4. So lobbyist funds are to be our mesaure?

[Tellurian]

6. Do you think most of the map is for Hillary because of lobbyists donations?

:rofl: Try again!

[Yael]

9. I was responding to your post, not the map

But addressing the map, I don't buy the MSM version of the 'pulse of the nation'. Didn't buy it back in '04 when Dean was "inevitable".

:)

[Tellurian]

17. Hillary is not Dean..

Deans first love is medicine. Hillary's first love is and always was using politics for helping people.

[Carolina]

23. oh yeah, the IRAQ war

is sure helping a lot of people.

[Tellurian]

27. What is an issue, is getting us OUT of Iraq..

the only people stuck on the Iraq vote are Obama supporters. It's not an issue nationwide. Reasonable people understand that.
Could be why Obama is doing so poorly. The Iraq Vote is the centerpiece of his campaign, falling on deaf ears!

[flyarm]

88. no what is a issue is almost 4000 dead american soliders for lies!!

that is the issue..and 1 million dead iraqi human beings..gone ..dead forever..that is the issue!

all based on nothing but bullshit lies.

fly

[Carolina]

96. BS

I am not an Obama supporter, and I am not alone in holding Hillary accountable for her past votes, including and especially IWR!

Reasonable people understand that past is prologue and that's the huge problem with HRC. She wants it both ways: to be a war hawk to some (which based on her votes and behavior she is) and to appear to want out of Iraq to Democratic primary voters.

It won't fly. FYI, the Obama campaign is flailing for other reasons!

[Yael]

24. Helping people? As in corporate 'personhood'?

Yeah, that I agree with. :)

[Tellurian]

28. I'm not familiar with that term..can you elaborate?

[Yael]

31. History. Corporations became "personhood" in the 50s

Given the rights and protections of citizens. Something Hillary seems to put a lot of stock into. Protecting corporations at the sake of actual PEOPLE.

You can google it -- there is a mountain of information about it out there.

[Tellurian]

42. The norms can be changed as they were when Republicans gained power..

Customarily there was a 60%/40% split between corporations and employees. Only until Republicans changed that dynamic to 80%/20% have problems occurred. Legislation can remedy corporate restructuring this next election cycle with a Democratic president and a majority in Congress.

[Yael]

44. What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with Corporate personhood

Did you look it up yet?

[Tellurian]

45. Corporate personhood is never going to change..

When corporations were given the same rights as people. As I said, a major restructuring can take place without battling the term, because the terms are not synonomous.

[dugggy]

72. Since corporations create all of the wealth and all of the

productive jobs, what's wrong with Hillary favoring
prosperity for corporations? And I include small and big
corporations. The only non-corporate jobs are working
for some type of government or schools, all of which live
off the taxes paid. None of them produce even a small pencil.
Yes, I understand they provide a service but essentially
they are 100% dependent on corporations creating wealth.

Do corporations need to be regulated? YES! We don't need to
kill them, just regulate them.

[Tellurian]

82. Yes, duggy....

and fwiw...the US government is the biggest corp in the world.

[NYCGirl]

5. Because he was never married to Bill Clinton. NT

[Rosa Luxemburg]

48. I think Bill is a the big key to this election

still Obama has Oprah!

[Tellurian]

84. Oprah's support is really helping..

Take Iowa for instance:

Clinton....29%

Edwards....23%

Obama......22%

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=iowapoll07

[Captain Hilts]

7. I'm puzzled by this also. I keep thinking that he'd make a better president...

than candidate.

He's stalled for some reason.

[Tellurian]

8. Obama hasn't moved a muscle since he declared...

perhaps because his support only exists in the ethereal internets..nutroots are not reality based.

[Name removed]

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[durrrty libby]

10. Obama makes rookie mistakes. Something like that flag pin

turns into a brouhaha, because he is a rookie

Now people are saying his speeches are inspiring because he sounds like a preacher.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3585764

That behavior is suicidal and will go over like a lead balloon

[Tellurian]

16. Which will be used as a club by Republicans...

They will paint and wallpaper him as unpatriotic. A traitor to the country...

If they can do it to Kerry, a War Hero, Obama will be chopped liver in 30 seconds.

All because of a pin.. They'll love it!

[zulchzulu]

103. I ran into quite a few people that really liked what Obama said about the fake jingoism

I'm sure you'd rather have someone do their best to grandstand and make fake laughs to enhance the phoniness. We can see what is obvious.

Certainly and perhaps a certain candidate can make desecrating a flag pendant a federal crime. That should solidify the... oh man....excuse me...

:puke:

Never mind.

[Captain Hilts]

11. He's also depending on populations that have low voter turnout: the young and blacks. nt

[Trajan]

12. This is pitiful ....

I have railed against the other candidate-partisans for their needless attacks against Clinton, and now it's YOUR turn .....

Obama is a fine young man, and would be a GREAT president if given the opportunity ....

He would deserve our praise AND our vote ....

You demean all of us with your silly attacks ....

Stop it ....

[Tellurian]

15. Reality based facts are far from "silly" attacks...

I'm not about to lose another election by giving, (by your definition) a fine young man, an opportunity he is ill equipped to handle. Never mind the highest office in the land serving a fine young man as on the job training.

[Trajan]

36. BS .....

The chart you show is one of Democratic Primary Voters .....

So the mere fact that a candidate places second or third on a list shows they are unfit to serve in that capacity ? .... Obama is 'ill equipped to handle' either the general campaign OR the office of POTUS ?

Nonsense ..... state primary polls are NO indication of fitness for office .... You're pushing a load of CRAP on us here .....

Why do you insult many of the Democrats in DU by foisting this nonsense on us ? .... WTF are you trying to prove with these inane non sequiturs ? ....

I don't support Obama or Clinton: I support ALL the Democratic party candidates .... ALL of them ....

And like many here; you scandalize our cause by promoting these smears only for the purpose of political expediency, without any basis in fact, by using one set of facts to argue an unrelated, unsupported conclusion ....

This is fallacious poppycock .... and you know it ....

Yes .. Obama seems less popular at the moment, but this does NOT indicate he is 'ill suited' for anything ...... It is pure rubbish to say so ....

[Tellurian]

40. Less popular = 1 out of 50 states? Is that an understatement or what?

Rather than attacking the messenger...why don't you provide solutions?

Not your bag...sorry for asking!

[Trajan]

49. The obvious disconnection sails right over your head .....

Even ignoring the non sequitur: Argumentum ad populum is yet another definition of the divisive TRIPE you offer us .....

BTW: Who is attacking the messenger ? I am attacking the MESSAGE .... BS .... Utter BS .....

You can draw your own conclusions about those who would twist facts like this .... I said nothing of you, except you are divisive and feeding DU lies .... Attacks on our own fine slate of candidates is no 'solution' .....

[Tellurian]

62. Since when are current polls feeding DU Lies?

Here a deal breaker for you! Take your Ad Hominims elsewhere!

Obama in S.C.; toughens security stance, would not use DOJ to investigate Bush administration

http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/308764.html

[dionysus]

107. oh no it doesn't!

he/she knows damn well the bullshit they're peddling

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[dionysus]

108. another 3rd grade level post fro you... how... normal for you.

[durrrty libby]

29. "You demean all of us with your silly attacks " No one demeans

you except yourself. And you are doing a fine job of it

You think discussing poll numbers is attacking? :nopity:

[Trajan]

39. Drawing unrelated negative conclusions is abusive ....

Polls are polls ..... They do NOT indicate ANYTHING about whether a candidate is 'ill suited' for office .....

The candidate battles are ridiculous ...... the issues are lost in such fallacious rubbish .... THAT demeans us all .....

[Tellurian]

13. Obama has done poorly in the debates...

that is where his amateurism shows up the most. When you lack depth and gravitas, your only debating tools are sound bytes.

[William769]

14. Not to mention how he voted in the State Legislature, and his non voting in the U.S. Senate.

[ileus]

18. Because his names not Clinton. n/t

[Tellurian]

19. Can you win on a name?

Are you suggesting if Obama is adopted by the Clintons, he'll win?

[slick8790]

50. Yes, you clearly can win on a name.

What I want to know is this: Sen. Clinton is clearly a very intelligent and capable person. But, do you honestly think she would be the frontrunner for the nomination if not for her marraige and related exposure to Bill? Do you even think she could have won 2 terms in the senate?

[MGKrebs]

63. So what? She could surely lose the election no matter what her name is.

Or are you saying that it IS inevitable because of her name?

[slick8790]

66. No, I'm saying her name is giving her artifically inflated poll numbers.

I'm sure some of these people think they're voting for Bill in polls.

[MGKrebs]

68. I think that is just a moot point.

Every candidate comes to the table with assets. Some have family connections or long political careers or wealth or whatever. If Hillary didn't have the Clinton name, she could just as easily have had an illustrious career that made her just as eligible for frontrunner status. She left Washington DC to go marry Bill in Arkansas. She was well on her way to a notable political career and gave it up to start over in Arkansas.

We seek out candidates who have the connections and resumes that are likely to make them successful candidates. We look for veterans and politically connected families and wealthy individuals exactly BECAUSE they have a better chance of succeeding. If we are going to ideologically disqualify candidates because they have money or connections or a certain name, it would be a long, dark time for Dems across the country.

[slick8790]

71. I think anyone who honestly think she'd be a frontrunner if she was just Hillary Rodham is decieving

themselves. Yes, she's gotten elected twice as a senator. But honestly, they have been two largely undistinguished terms, at least for me.

[MGKrebs]

77. Why would she have any less of a chance of being front runner

than anyone else? Feinstein got a VP nod. Pelosi, Ann Richards in Texas, multiple other Senators and Governors have made it to the upper level of political success without having been married to a former President.

Even if we somehow create the alternate reality that she led the same life right up to the point of getting married to the future Governor of Arkansas and deviated in some unknown way, she had already worked for Barry Goldwater, gotten involved with the Young Republicans, met Martin Luther King, Jr, worked for Eugene McCarthy, got elected president of her college student body, graduated with honors in Political Science, had been on national TV and Life magazine cover, worked for Walter Mondale then George McGovern, and then on the staff of the Judiciary Committee of the US House of representatives.

I ask again, what would make you think that she wouldn't be a potential front runner without that name?

[slick8790]

79. Show me her accomplishments as a senator.

She has a largely mediocre record as a senator, certainly no better than john kerry, who was polling extremely low until he won Iowa, and no better either than John Edwards or Barack Obama. Show me the things she has done that would justify a 20 point advantage in national polls. People are nostalgic for the clinton times because they were so good compared to this.

[MGKrebs]

83. The people of New York can judge her record representing them.

She has the highest approval of any Senator, tied with Ted Kennedy. But since we don't believe the polls, that is meaningless. The only thing that counts is the more scientific "slick scale", in which the real criteria to determine support are appropriately slippery.

[slick8790]

85. You're not answering my question.

Where has she shown above and beyond leadership that would indicate such a commanding lead in the primary? Not that anyone else has, but for a ~20 lead, she should have.

[MGKrebs]

86. There is no criteria by which I could answer that question.

What do you want? Her positions on various issues? What would that prove relative to inaccurate polling? YOU are the one making the claim that the numbers we see, which are the way we measure a candidates' success and appeal, are false. You bear the burden of supporting your contention or else it's just your opinion.

To me it is obvious: She is intelligent, capable, organized, energetic, tough, resourceful, and maybe even a little lucky. She manages the media well, she's a good campaigner, she clearly has a very well organized and prepared campaign organization, she appears trustworthy enough that a lot of people send her money, and whatever else her experience is good for, it seems to have prepared her well for this process.

Of course her name helps, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of failed candidates with good names. Every candidate has assets that they must take advantage of to succeed. If they don't have the assets or don't use them effectively, they will probably lose.

There are many ballplayers who are heroes in AAA ball, but are mediocre in the bigs. It doesn't have to have anything to do with their name. Their name might get them a shot in the big league, but they have to perform to succeed. Dennis Kucinich for example, is successful at the Congressional level. It would appear that he is not successful at the Presidential level. Whatever combination of skills and talents it takes, he is a little lacking relative to his competitors. Why is it so hard to believe that Hillary Clinton could have the talent and skill to succeed at this?

[slick8790]

90. I'm simply asking for any type of distinguishment that puts her above any other possible nominee.

Any show of leadership within the senate? (i.e. Joe Biden's iraq policy)
Any type of out-of senate activities taking on an issue? (Edwards' work with poverty)
Any cases of extraordinary good judgement? (Obama and Kucinich's positions on the war from the start)


I simply don't know what she's done to recieve such universal media praise. Seems like a pretty mediocre senator with a lot of name recognition.

[MGKrebs]

92. Different things are important to different people.

She has done a lot of good work in child health care and indigent defense (both poverty related, by the way), women's rights, human rights, adoption, cancer research, and more. Each of those are important to different people.

None of us know what her life would have been like in an alternate reality to compare it to.
She doesn't have to have performed three miracles in order to garner a lot of support. There are probably ten thousand different reasons and combinations of reasons people use to choose their candidate.

[sandyd921]

113. Bingo!

I've observed it first hand, especially among some of the older and more politically naive members of my local Democratic club. They long for the days of Bill Clinton before the disaster that Shrub has wrought. They think that electing HRC will take us back to those days. No amount of pointing out her connections to big corporate money or her vote on the IWR has any impact. :banghead:

[Tellurian]

20. Amazing, Obama supporters haven't provided any plausible answers...

except the usual, blaming Clinton..

[Laurab]

99. One plausible answer is: it's early.

So many things can change and I believe WILL change, one of which is Obama's numbers. I think we're going to see Hillary's numbers go down, and Obama's go up, as more "Joe & Jane six-packs" get interested in the candidates. I have nothing to base that on except for my own opinion, but, really - I wouldn't crown Hillary just yet. Bad enough she seems to think she's been annointed - she hasn't.

[TheMadMonk]

21. Because he's black, personable and too bloody honsest for his own good.

He might have survived one and two, but those who pay the "bills" and call the shots can not afford #3 in any candidate for US president.

Particularly not one who will inherit the power that has been arrogated by that office over the past six years.

With those powers, A president would be able to completely dismantle Corporate American Criminal Enterprise.

[Tellurian]

26. I don't agree with #3 but go ahead..

As an example...Do you think his autobiography is an "honest" depiction of his life story?

Usually people take great pride in accuracy when it comes to their autobiography. Obama has admitted himself, he hasn't been altogether truthful with his autobiography. Where he has used poetic license and a combination of characters, in an effort making his book, in his words, more interesting to the reader.

It seems Obama's claim to 'honesty' is more a self evident claim in Obama's own vernacular.

[Carolina]

22. ask yourself

who doing the polling?
who does the GOP-owned MSM want?
who would rally the GOP better: Clinton or Obama?

Frankly, I think they are both losers.

This country is not ready for a Black man named Barack Hussein Obama at the helm. And despite what so many would have you believe about inevitability (as both Dem nominee and next POTUS), it ain't ready for a woman -- especially HRC-- either. Repukes loathe HRC, they're gunning to have her be our choice and then ONE AD will do it.

Picture it: Hillary and the troops, or Hillary against a backdrop of a city afire ...

The caption in the print ad states: Would you trust her with YOUR SECURITY, with the SECURITY OF OUR NATION as COMMANDER in CHIEF?

The voice over in the TV ad ominously says: Would you trust her with YOUR SECURITY, with the SECURITY OF OUR NATION as COMMANDER in CHIEF?

Can you spell electoral loss?! I can't stand Chris Matthews but he recently said the Dems should be more traditional this time, code words for choose a WHITE MAN, folks.

[Tellurian]

25. Why would I let someone I loathe, like Chris Matthews, pick my candidate?

[Carolina]

97. I'm not

my point is that he -- of all people -- has a point! Duh.

[Totally Committed]

30. Because the Pollsters in Hillary's "pocket" say he is????

It's all an illusion intended to bring about the feeling of her "inevitability". Everybody loves a winner -- especially those who can't be bothered to actually pay attention closely, and vote based on popularity. That "tidal wave effect" of supposed "popularity after his Iowa win gave us Kerry as a candidate, and we see how well that worked out for us...

TC

[zulchzulu]

32. Have you ever been to the Edmund Muskie Presidential Library?

I think it's in Bangor, Maine. Right?

Gee, those good old days when he was leading in polls three months away from the first votes cast. I hear President Gephardt is going to do a speech about how great Muskie was as President.

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

34. Why are you avoiding answering the question in the thread Title?

Haven't got an answer for Obama's tanking?

[zulchzulu]

94. My answer to your "inevitability in your face" schtick was in my remark

I knew you wouldn't get it. Maybe Brooks was correct when he said that Clinton fans are generally not that bright. You seem to prove it with every thread you can type.

Have some more chips.

[Tellurian]

98. Proving your crude ignorance with every post you type..

of course, Obama's flailing at the polls is a disappointment, I know.

But what can you do when he falls on his sword, once in every week?

[zulchzulu]

101. Do you have an autographed copy of President Gephart's Official Inaugural Program?

Check to see if it's on eBay.

Since he was leading in a lot of national polls three months out of the first votes, he must be President...right?

:crazy:

[Tellurian]

115. know this...there will nver be one on e-bay of President Obama!

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[JCMach1]

33. One could point to Jesse Jackson in 1988- He got 21+% of all primary votes and won 11

Primaries.

It may be very questionable if Obama can even come close to that.

[Tellurian]

37. Good point...Obama isn't as knowledgeable as Jesse Jackson..nm

[Renew Deal]

35. If 2nd place in October is failing, then Bill Clinton and John Kerry are 2 of the biggest failures

ever. :eyes:

[Tellurian]

38. Wow, .... Rationalizing the Irrational...

ever, is right! :crazy:

[Renew Deal]

73. At least we agree that the OP is irrational.

:shrug:

[Tellurian]

95. your only hope is self-application..nm

[Ethelk2044]

41. Obama is not falling any those states. He is not campaigning in those states

Hillary Supporters are so afraid of Obama they keep trying to go with the polls. I just shows you she does not have it together her supporters continuously try to smear her competitors to try to get her to lead.

[Tellurian]

43. Why?

[Tellurian]

60. The Usual *crickets* ....

Thanks for playing..

[mrreowwr_kittty]

46. Some possible reasons

Sen. Clinton's massive name recognition

Most voters aren't paying that much attention to the race

The media is telling those people that HRC is inevitable, and people like to pick what they think are winners

A large percentage of voters haven't even made up their minds yet

[Tellurian]

52. The media saying HRC is inevitable in a backhanded way...

is a mobilization technique for sh*t stirring. imo- The candidate, they've been softest on, is Obama.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. We must not be watching the same media

I'm seeing a lot of "Hillary is performing brilliantly!" while "Obama is struggling".

[Tellurian]

57. Who would that be..

I'd like to tune in..

[NewHampster]

87. Me too

I don't know Hill supporters getting complacent we're just not giving up. Twisted but kickin.

[Tellurian]

93. exactly, NH..

we have to fight like we're 20 pts behind. The recipe for success...

[NewHampster]

100. My mind set is that

We are 20 points behind.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. Oh I get it now

It doesn't matter what anyone says. The whole point of your OP is to taunt Obama supporters.

Get a life.

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[Tellurian]

55. Thanks for pointing that out..

And your participation in these threads is why?

Who Made Hillary Queen?

Hillary Clinton adviser Mark Penn once fired by Al Gore

How can so many of Hillary's supporters be so blind to her weaknesses?

Obama to play Iraq card against Clinton

Latest Iowa poll shows Obama leading Hillary

[mrreowwr_kittty]

69. Oooookkkkkkaaaaay........

Stepping away from the computer now.....:scared:

[Mass]

53. Is there a point to this post?

Most of these polls are so old anyway that they barely mean something.

[Tellurian]

56. 2 days is old for a poll? Lamest excuse yet!

where, in bizarro world?

[Mass]

58. And of course you have the information when ALL these polls were taken

and by who. It would be nice to have a source for a change.

[Tellurian]

59. By all means...

But I really don't think you can take it..

[Mass]

61. LOL - You make your point perfectly - A lot of bull.

[Tellurian]

64. Ok, you asked for it..

heres a hanky..

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/florida_poll_0615.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100202365.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR

[Mass]

65. So you are basing your analysis of Obama failing in every state on 1 national poll and

one poll in Florida that is more than 2 years old.

May be you should have your head examined? Even as a BS post, it is particularly idiotic.

No need to post any more data that are irrelevant to your OP. You get it. This is pure BS and flame bait.

[Tellurian]

67. This national poll is the latest.. Your claims are baseless as expected!

If you cant see it, than I can't help you..

They've been tracking since the candidates declared!

It's current as of Oct 5 2007

[Mass]

70. LOL - I get it. It is a parody of Hillary's supporters attacking Obama.

You should have told us so. Hilarious.

:rofl: :rofl:

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[madrchsod]

74. let`s all concede to the inevitable -hillary has won

why waste our time and energy to vote? this is the new century in politic`s-the polls decide the president. i don`t have to vote any more because someone else has made the decision for me....yes! freedom from choice! devo is correct

[Rock_Garden]

75. Yeah, whip it good!

:bounce:

[yoyossarian]

78. Maybe it has something to do with courage, or lack thereof...

See the following thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1993201

Obama promises blanket pardon to Bush & Co.....

http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_news/story/308764.htm ...

ROCK HILL --
...
But, Obama said, he would not use the Department of Justice to investigate the administration if elected. "I don't want to waste time as president spending all our time looking backwards. I want to look forward," Obama said, adding the caveat that if evidence of criminal activity arose, he would expect it to be pursued by the Justice Department.
--------------------------------------------------------

The title of the thread is misleading and exaggerated, but the content is clear; when it comes to the criminal activities of the Bush Gang, Obama embraces the philosophy of See No Evil, Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil with a bit too much fervor for my tastes... I don't know how they do it, and he's certainly not the only one; this has been going on, in fact, since the very beginning...



Still, I like my leaders a bit less sheepish... not insane, monkey-humping Vandals and Visigoths like the current dynasty, but at least with SOME principles and SOME spine to go along...

T-shirts, mugs, buttons n' cards at
http://cafepress.com/laughcity

[LoZoccolo]

80. I don't think it matters this far along.

Kerry and Clinton were not doing well at this point either.

[BlueStater]

81. What's with the mocking, smart-ass attitude?

How did Hillary end up with such obnoxious supporters?

[Hippo_Tron]

91. Dunno, but John Kerry was in single digits in most states four years ago

[zulchzulu]

102. I really enjoy how this OP does the good work of turning off people to his candidate

Really fine work! Excellent! Keep it up! Please. Hey, I'll pay you.

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[dionysus]

105. is it your mission to drive a wedge in here and make people

dislike hillary? cause you do it ohh so well.

[Tellurian]

111. Read the OP...it's not about Hillary..

too much to ask, you address the OP topic?

[dionysus]

119. i know how to read. your intentions are transparent.

sad

[tomreedtoon]

110. Because Democrats are too wimpy to attack her. Repub's aren't.

Democrats have no spines and won't attack each other. (Unlike the people here on DU. But nobody here is running for anything.)

If Clinton does eke her way to the primary win, though, she'll crumple before the unafraid, unashamed Republican Smear Machine. Five minutes of Ann Coulter and she'll up and quit the race.

[illinoisprogressive]

112. Hillary is Dean and Obama doesn't have Penn rigging things for him

[illinoisprogressive]

114. This article gives a clue into what is going on with polling

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/09/27/schoen/index.html

[Rosa Luxemburg]

116. In September of 2003, Wesley Clark and Howard Dean led every Democratic poll,

?

[Forkboy]

117. That old Tellurian magic?

[jmp]

118. Because he is mirroring Hillary

If they are "the same", Dem voters have little incentive to back the lesser known candidate.

Obama needs to move to the left ... significantly to the left ... if he wants to have a prayer of winning. Otherwise he is just exhausting his donor base.