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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:47 AM
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Rep. Ron Paul: I advocate the same foreign policy the Founding Fathers would
I don't agree with Paul on many things, especially abortion, but sometimes he makes a lot of sense. Thoughts?

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Rep.+Ron+Paul%3a+I+advocate+the+same+foreign+policy+the+Founding+Fathers+would&articleId=cc287b0f-941c-4b07-88e9-9e992810f700

Rep. Ron Paul: I advocate the same foreign policy the Founding Fathers would

By RON PAUL

9 hours, 53 minutes ago

Any response to this paper's Friday editorial on my foreign policy position must rest on two fundamental assertions: first, that the Founding Fathers were not isolationists; and second, that their political philosophy -- the wisdom of the Constitution, the Declaration, and our Revolution itself -- is not just a primitive cultural relic.

If I understand the editors' concerns, I have not been accused of deviating from the Founders' logic; if anything I have been accused of adhering to it too strictly. The question, therefore, before readers -- and soon voters -- is the same question I have asked for almost 20 years in Congress: by what superior wisdom have we now declared Jefferson, Washington, and Madison to be "unrealistic and dangerous"? Why do we insist on throwing away their most considered warnings?

A non-interventionist foreign policy is not an isolationist foreign policy. It is quite the opposite. Under a Paul administration, the United States would trade freely with any nation that seeks to engage with us. American citizens would be encouraged to visit other countries and interact with other peoples rather than be told by their own government that certain countries are off limits to them.

American citizens would be allowed to spend their hard-earned money wherever they wish across the globe, not told that certain countries are under embargo and thus off limits. An American trade policy would encourage private American businesses to seek partners overseas and engage them in trade. The hostility toward American citizens overseas in the wake of our current foreign policy has actually made it difficult if not dangerous for Americans to travel abroad. Is this not an isolationist consequence from a policy of aggressive foreign interventionism?

It is not we non-interventionists who are isolationsists. The real isolationists are those who impose sanctions and embargoes on countries and peoples across the globe because they disagree with the internal and foreign policies of their leaders. The real isolationists are those who choose to use force overseas to promote democracy, rather than seek change through diplomacy, engagement, and by setting a positive example.

I do not believe that ideas have an expiration date, or that their value can be gauged by their novelty. The test for new and old is that of wisdom and experience, or as the editors wrote "historical reality," which argues passionately now against the course of anti-Constitutional interventionism.

A Paul administration would see Americans engaged overseas like never before, in business and cultural activities. But a Paul administration would never attempt to export democracy or other values at the barrel of a gun, as we have seen over and over again that this is a counterproductive approach that actually leads the United States to be resented and more isolated in the world.

Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, is running for the Republican presidential nomination.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:56 AM
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1. Does he espouse powdered wig wearing?
That would really sway me more to him and his half sane version of Libertarian Republicanism... :sarcasm:
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:56 AM
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2. Embargos can be an appropriate measure to take
South Africa stands as important example of their potential effectiveness.
Current policy, however, is rife with contradiction - i.e. the amount of trade carried on with China, while maintaining an embargo against Cuba.
Embargos have to be weighed based on the situation. The embargo against Cuba drove them firmly into the Soviet sphere.
Paul shows his libertarian stripes in his blanket dismissal of embargos. While the founders views should always be considered, certainly as those views are embodied in the Constitution, the world we live in is profoundly different than at the time of our nation's founding.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:31 PM
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14. The US did not embargo South Africa
We needed their metals to produce chrome for our automobiles.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:19 PM
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20. While the U.S. government did not, many U.S. based businesses did
And it did force South Africa into changing.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:58 AM
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3. All non-interventionists ...
Are labeled isolationist loons and dismissed. The powers that be demand an empire, and all attempts to stop it will be ruthlessly crushed.


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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:01 AM
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4. He would know, he was there when they signed the Constitution.
He's an old bugger.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 10:27 AM
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5. "I do not believe that ideas have an expiration date" Slavery?
White males only vote?
Ron Paul is a nutcase of the first order.
I hope and pray that the GOP splits and runs him as a turd party candidate.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:13 AM
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6. Anyone ---
Care for some popcorn? :popcorn:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:19 AM
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7. The boy needs to do a little reading on the the Barbary Pirates
Washington, Adams and Jefferson all got tangled up in projecting naval power into the Mediterranean to protect our merchant shipping from these thugs; truly, from the very beginning, this country has been about business. Coolidge was right about this: "The Business of America is Business."

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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 11:20 AM
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8. It's a good thing, too.
After all, Washington claimed that he did not want entangling alliances, for the strong partner always absorbs the weak. I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Spanish or French ships-of-the-line pressing our sailors and demanding our merchantmen dip their colors in American waters!
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:00 PM
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9. Paul is an intolerant xenophobe
when it comes to immigration. This is far from what the founding fathers had in mind.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:05 PM
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10. I'd disagree with that one.
"why should the Palatine Boors be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs"

-Benjamin Franklin, regarding German immigrants.

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/documents/documents_p2.cfm?doc=233


Founding fathers weren't always correct.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:08 PM
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11. It's sad that anyone here would think this makes sense
Other posters have pointed with some obvious flaws in his argument. Let me add that no one can have a clear idea of the foreign policy that that any of the founding fathers would espouse were they alive now.

Unfettered free trade is DISASTEROUS for people living in impoverished nations.

The only part that makes sense is not attempting to force democracy at the end of a gun barrel- though I have to say, NONE of our interventionist wars have been about democracy.

Please remember that this is a man that wants to disband the UN, before praising him for any of his half-baked, ugly ideas.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:18 PM
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12. Ron Paul is THE MAN on YouTube...
I've watched a few videos about him, but really don't see the appeal.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:30 PM
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13. Most Americans are ignorant of the Constitution and of the basis upon which the Republic was founded
Every time someone spouts the "America was founded as a Christian nation" meme, you can rest assured that their ignorance is as vast as the Grand Canyon is deep.

We were never meant to be an empire, and the Founders of the Republic and the Framers of the Constitution were rightfully suspicious of permanent standing armies.

Ron Paul is 100-percent correct on this issue.

Except for WWII, Americans have died in combat to defend the interests of Wall Street, not to defend freedoms at home (freedoms which we no longer enjoy).
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:39 PM
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16. No he's not.
And the issues around a standing army were far simpler then.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:46 PM
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17. Do you want our children to continue to die in "foreign entanglements" as President Washington
warned? I don't!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:50 PM
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18. Certainly not. But you know that already.
That doesn't mean that I think Ron Paul is a credible spokesman for....
anything.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:02 PM
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19. Washington did not warn against foreign entanglements
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 01:03 PM by Rhythm and Blue
for fear some soldiers might die in battle. That would, after all, be a strange position for a general who had built his legacy on a war to take; clearly he believed that war for a national interest was justified.

What he warned against in his farewell address was his fear that Americans might ally themselves with European powers, and in doing so slowly surrender their independence, so that they might eventually become little more than colonies again:

Attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter: against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/washing.htm
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:05 PM
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22. You don't really believe that, do you?
"Except for WWII" <-- All wars are fought for the interests of "Wall Street"!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:35 PM
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15. Ron, baby: there was this INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION that kind of changed everything.
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 12:35 PM by Perry Logan
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:06 PM
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23. For the worst (n/t)
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:04 PM
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21. even a stopped clock
is right twice a day.
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