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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:11 PM
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Hillary on her "inevitability"...agrees with DU...

"I pay absolutely no attention to what any poll says or what any pundit on TV says," the former first lady said. "I have absolutely no interest in that. Nobody has come to a caucus yet. Nobody has cast a vote yet."




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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:12 PM
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1. "I pay absolutely no attention to what any poll says."
"...focus groups are far more efficient."
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:14 PM
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2. What's wrong with focus groups or polls?
Considering President Dumbshit hasn't consulted either, and we see how well that worked out.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:21 PM
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4. Nothing at all.
Hillary is the most spot-on scripted candidate out there. Even her dismissal of polls there was calculated as a parry to both charges that she's focusing too heavily on polls and that she's running on inevitability instead of policy. Nothing wrong with it; she runs a tight ship, and that's what makes her the frontrunner right now. I just think it's kind of amusing, in an ironic way.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:39 PM
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11. Well, it's the Clinton way...
Nothing happens by accident :) At least if they can help it...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:20 PM
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3. So your Contention then.....
Is that Pew, CNN, Opinion Dynamics, Gallup, Harris, NBC, Washington Post, Fox News, ABC, Insider Advantage, AP-IPSOS, ARG, Rasmussen, and Survey USA...are manipulating their numbers to aid Hillary in her effort to "cover up" her true negatives?

Interesting theory...


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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:21 PM
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5. Never said any such thing...
But why let the facts get in the way?
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:21 PM
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6. Wrong thread? n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:22 PM
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7. How Would We Know What Her True Negatives Are Without Independent Verification?
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 12:45 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Is this a metaphysical question?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:23 PM
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8. I'm sure she's too busy to pay attention to polls and pundits...
Anyway, that's what her people are for.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:28 PM
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9. Correct: she's not triumphal, assumes nothing, will keep working like she's 20 points behind -
... which just makes her, well, that much more inevitable! :party: :toast: :party:
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:36 PM
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10. sHillary's putting on the full court 'inevitability' press before President Gore enters the race
Good Luck with your tight ship once Al declares, Mrs. Inevitable.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:40 PM
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12. "once Al declares"
The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded soon ~ and it won't be long before we know one way or the other about a run.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:42 PM
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13. What's with the "s" in front of her name?
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:45 PM
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15. She's apparently a "shill."
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 12:46 PM by Rhythm and Blue
Now, a shill would be an interested party who vocally supports a candidate or group, while pretending to be independent. Hillary Clinton is completely outspoken about the fact that she supports the candidacy of Hillary Clinton, and does not hide from her ties to Hillary Clinton, so I'm not exactly sure how she could be a shill.

Still, it's better than "Hitlary."
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:51 PM
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17. LOL. Not much better.
I'm amazed Shrillery hasn't shown up yet.Must be next weeks pet name.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:08 PM
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20. no, She's a Shill for the Corporations
She pretends to be Independent from them,
but in reality she is completely beholden to their interests.

thus, sHillary fits quite nicely.

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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:10 PM
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21. "thus, sHillary fits quite nicely."
If you're 12.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:34 PM
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25. even a 12 year old knows the power of Words
Don't you?

using Metaphor in Combination,

sHillary is worth 12 words or more attempting to explain away her Corporate affinity.

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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:21 PM
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26. And those twelve words would be,
"I have nothing of any real value to add to this discussion."

Childish name-calling turns everyone but children off.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:13 PM
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22. So she declares that she likes corporate interests,
while pretending she has no relationships to them? That would be what a shill would do. Now, see, that's kind of the opposite from what I see, where she works to pass legislation that is occasionally for their benefit while playing up the benefits to the middle class such legislation will supposedly create, and after each fundraising quarter, openly declaring her financial ties to her donors. She's pretty clear about what she's doing.

But I suppose that Neoliberaltendenciesllary doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:20 PM
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23. It's only marginally better
:D
Welcome to DU. You seem entiely too resonable. I'm gonna have to keep an eye on you!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:44 PM
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14. She's right. n/t
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:49 PM
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16. At least she
Unlike her supporters, is bieng realistic.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:01 PM
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18. I don't think that's what's happening on DU.
IMO, it's not so much that her supporters want to convince anyone of her inevitablity, as it is a tactic used by the anti-Clinton posters to inflame feelings against her.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:01 PM
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19. Funny. She agrees with the HillHaters, and they're upset about it!!
:rofl:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:21 PM
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24. Ain't that the truth!
:rofl:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:26 PM
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30. Maybe because it's the same as when Lou Holtz said the Irish had to be ready to play Podunk.
He was full of shit and everyone knew it.You say these things whether you believe them or not because you're supposed to say them.

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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:29 PM
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27. I don't believe that for a second. Don't tell me that she didn't get
briefed on that false WP/ABC poll from last week. Patti Sully Doyle and Mark Punn probably showed that to her first thing in the morning with accompanying diagrams and a six-page in-depth analysis touting her inevitability.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 02:40 PM
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28. First thing in the morning for Richardson -
a couple of interns provide him with Dunkin' Donuts. Key operatives meet to decide whether the 3rd quarter numbers allow for an upgrade from regular glazed to "bowties." :hide:
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:42 PM
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29. "i pay no attention to polls ... i have people for that!"
bah-dum cha!

this is an american tradition as old as the polls themselves. all politicians not only pay attention to them, but they pay top dollar for them. but publicly, they deny interest in them.

americans are suckers for hypocrisy.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:27 PM
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31. does this mean her supporters will stop talking about the GE for a couple months?
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:32 PM
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32. O.K., I'm supporting her at this point, but she's being disingenuous.
There is no way any of the candidates "pay absolutely no attention to what any poll says."

That said, she gave the politically correct answer.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:42 PM
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33. And that's the problem....
it will be a continuation of a president saying whatever will work best for them politically; truth and reality will have no place in a Clinton administration as with the current administration. It's just that Hillary is smarter than Bush and will parse her words more effectively.

Please, don't do this to our country!
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 07:51 PM
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34. I'm sure Edwards, Obama, or any of the rest would say exactly the same thing.
So no, it's not really a problem for Clinton specifically.
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