A blue dog in hand is worth more than a liberal

[cali]

in the bush.

Nebraska, Idaho, parts of FL, Mississipi, etc., a populist blue dog is the best you're gonna get. Someone who votes with the party 55% is betteer than someone who'll vote with dems 0 or 5%. It ain't rocket science folks.

In case you've already forgotten, last week, all the dems voted to restore Habeas Corpus, and if we'd had just three more, the pukes wouldn't have been able to filibuster.

If Idaho or NE, or Mississipi elects dem Senators next year, they'll be blue dogs.

I'll take 'em. It's better than the alternative.

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[cali]

Oh for fuck's sake. Try making an argument

not tossing out an inanity. Do I really have to point out that Idaho is very different from VT? Pathetic.

[LoZoccolo]

20. Lame. n/t

[Adelante]

24. Do you have something to say? nt

[dmallind]

2. Wise statement

As a blue dog myself, and a Nebraska resident at least for now, I'll definitely do my part to help make it so.

I don't have a huge amount of optimism unless Kerrey runs, and other than Kleeb none of the house candidates look that viable, but stranger things have happened and I'll do my best.

[rpannier]

3. HEATHEN!!! HERETIC!!!

How dare thine make such an heretical statement.
To the pond with thee where we will throw thine into the river...If thou floateth then we will take thee to the village square, where we shall burn thee at the stake for thine wicked thoughts and musings.

on a serious note: I would prefer a liberal Democrat to a blue dog. However, I've been around politics to know that if the republikkans get the majority they control committee chairs, etc. I'll take Ben Nelson over Chuck Hagel, I'll take Mary Landreaux over David Vitter and so on.

[mmonk]

4. I intend to change it.

I live in a red state and my House Rep. is liberal. I will work to make other reps from similar states liberal as well.

[cali]

5. Good.

But just out of curiosity, is your district red? What are the particulars of your liberal rep being elected?

[mmonk]

8. Blue most of the time. He keeps getting reelected.

He's different from some other blue area reps though (more liberal). I think if a Rep represents a district well and provides the constituent services people appreciate, sometimes a lot of their politics is secondary. People like to think they are being taken care of in their district. I like the all politics is local approach. Once you get it working, it's good.

[mmonk]

13. I thought I would add this.

The last few elections, I've picked one additional district in my state to support a dem candidate and I adopt one dem Senate campaign in another state to contribute to. If everyone did this, I think good things can happen (but I know some may not be able to).

[sufrommich]

16. That's a good idea.

How do you decide which out of state campaign to contribute to?

[mmonk]

17. Last time I chose Lamont.

Most of the time I look for vulnerable republicans to knock off. I think I will choose Al Franken to help this time. But most of the time, I just look for republicans that might be due to beat.

[sufrommich]

18. I like the Al Frankin idea. I may have to do that this election.

Maybe giving to states other than our own would be a good way to repair some of the damage we do to each other during the primaries.:thumbsup:

[madfloridian]

6. We need to quit excusing votes against SCHIP and for war...

as red state must do stuff.

I am not going to do that anymore.

Some things are just right and some are just wrong, red state or blue state.

[cali]

7. Not a single dem in the Senate voted against SCHIP

and only a handful in the House did- including btw, Dennis Kucinich.
And reality may be a tough thing, but pretending is just silly.

[madfloridian]

10. No, do not call what I say silly.

I rather resent it.

We have excused going to occupy another country because so many had to vote with their red state. We got the bankruptcy bill, we are going to attack Iran.

Calling my opinions silly will not change by vow that I will not excuse wrong headed votes on the basis of red atate blue state.

[cali]

12. Sorry, that's just silly.

And as I mentioned you're wrong on SCHIP. And whether or not you excuse or don't excuse anything, mean nothing to me.

[madfloridian]

14. Putting me down as silly hurts all of us.

There is a time to question, and this is it.

[cali]

15. I'm not suggesting that you are silly, but that the

comment you made was.

[madfloridian]

19. That is how we got in Iraq. It is how we will get in Iran.

It is why so many elderly and sick are losing their homes due to medical bankruptcy.

No more.

[LoZoccolo]

22. I am not going to excuse it anymore either.

Anyone who bends will hear about it from me right here. I will no longer sit.

[griffi94]

9. i'm with you

i live in texas and most of the democrats here are far more conservative than republicans
in the north east or west coast. hell even ole goodhair perry was a democrat at one time.
keep in mind.... this is austin...not boston...so take what's available

[sufrommich]

11. I'll take them,too

Are there really that many people out there who don't get the nuances in the populace of such a large country? Lots of purple people out there and they will vote Dem or rep.We need those Blue Dogs.

[QC]

21. IMPURE!!! IMPURE!!! BLASPHEMY!!!

I am rending my garments even as we speak!

[Progressive Friend]

23. NE won't be electing a Democrat next year

[OHdem10]

25. Cali, I appreciate your argment, but I disagree with one thing.

A Blue dog is not worth more than a liberal.

Otherwise, you make good points. We have to accept the
world as we have it at this moment. Here is the world
as we have it in the US at present. We have a country
in which one-half the country does not even bother to vote.

For years neither party has done anything to change this.
I think Dr. Dean has been working hard since he became
DNC Chm. It will take time.

At the present time in some states we probably do have to
accept Blue Dogs.

There needs to be some way of insisting on some votes.
There has to be some order and discipline in the party?
Can they be vetted? Will they vote ProBusiness to the
detriment of the middle class? Will they vote with the GOP
on issues that are truly Democratic Party Issues?? If our
party is going to give them finacial assistance--our party
deserves a certain number of votes on Key Issues??

Right now we have some Blue Dogs and DLCers who vote against
the interest of citizens in order to support Business.I am
talking patterns here, vote after vote.

We do have a responsibility to business. But Business should
not always win. This is GOP belief.

With the election coming so soon, I can see compromomize.

Once election is over, we should start working on trying
to change things and try to elect more persons who have
liberal leanings.