Got my 15 minutes today. Front page Boston Globe

[NewHampster]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/09/many_warming_unexpectedly_to_clinton/

By Sasha Issenberg, Globe Staff | October 9, 2007

CONCORD, N.H. - Don Schwartz, who describes himself as "a super-Deaniac progressive type," decided to back Hillary Clinton - whose centrist views, he concedes, do not necessarily match his own - for a simple reason. He wanted, finally, to be with a winner.

The article continues for a full page on the changing attitudes of New Hampshire voters as they get to meet and know Hillary. Sasha Issenberg explores the conflicts many people have between what they think they are supposed to feel and what they really feel after hearing or meeting the Senator.

A great read for those who take seriously the issue of framing.

Don Schwartz aka NewHampster

[Fridays Child]

1. Neato-keeno!

:toast:

[Colobo]

2. Nice, Don!

It would be even nicer if you decided to back Obama, but the World is not perfect.

[NewHampster]

3. True

[Alegre]

4. This is SO COOL!

Congrats! ;o)

And thanks for the link - it's good news for anyone who supports Hillary's historic run for the White House ;o)

[radfringe]

5. cool - and check your in box

[Frances]

6. Thanks for the link

I have not decided who I will vote for in the primary (I live in California).

But I really appreciate hearing the views of those who have decided. I especially like hearing the reasons FOR a candidate.

[NewHampster]

7. The article is really very good

It also helps some people get a better understanding of the importance of NH.

[Wilms]

8. "a simple reason. He wanted, finally, to be with a winner."

And who are you voting for in the Prom Queen election??

:rofcackle:

[Poll_Blind]

10. I had a problem with the same line. How seriously does someone take their vote...

...if the criteria is "winning"? Is "voting your conscience" really that complex an idea?

  You get the America you vote for.



PB

[MGKrebs]

11. I think it's pretty safe to assume that the concept that

any of the front runners would be within the range of acceptable principles for a lot of people is implied.

[wyldwolf]

13. How seriously does someone take their vote if the criteria is winning? Did you seriously ask that?

If you don't want to win, why bother voting?

And anytime someone wades into the "principle voting" cesspool, the implication is other people are NOT voting on principle. Or maybe you don't think people have different principles than you. Or maybe we'd rather have a Democrat than another Republican.

[unc70]

16. Not "winning"; "finally, to be with a winner". Trumping his own views.

Nice trying to deflect, but it won't work here. This is like the "Christian Conservatives" who are supporting Rudy for the simple reason that he could be a winner.

"Don Schwartz, who describes himself as "a super-Deaniac progressive type," decided to back Hillary Clinton - whose centrist views, he concedes, do not necessarily match his own - for a simple reason. He wanted, finally, to be with a winner."

Should be interesting to re-examine NewHampster's posts at DU in light of this article.

[jgraz]

23. "If you don't want to win, why bother voting?"

And this: "the 'principle voting' cesspool"

Thanks, there's never been a more succinct summary of the mentality of Hillary supporters. :thumbsup:

[MethuenProgressive]

9. Very interesting news story - congrats for being part of it!

:kick:

[NewHampster]

14. Thanks Metuen

and yes I do know how the old locals pronounce it.

[info being]

12. Interesting. That's the same reason people voted for Bush (eom)

[Tesha]

20. And Kerry. (NT)

[DeepModem Mom]

15. New Hampster, you rock!!! nt

[zulchzulu]

17. Congrats NewHampster

That's a good way to get support for your candidate. All the best in your efforts!

[NewHampster]

18. Thanks

[Debi]

19. Congratulations!

:bounce:

[Armstead]

21. Congrats....But I must disagree with this whole thrust

The future of the country does not really depend on whether Hilary is likable in person or not.

I saw her visit my hoimetown during the Clinton presidency, and she is very charismatic, and people loved her.

However, what she stands for -- and what she represents -- is all wrong. She epitomizes the do-nothing, status-quo corporatist brand of politics that has driven this nation into a ditch and threatens democracy.

[intheflow]

22. WTG, NewHampster!

:toast:

[avrdream]

24. Bumping to show you off.

Good article.

And thank you, Don, for actually getting out and working for your candidate.

[NewHampster]

29. thanks for the bump

[William769]

25. And I do believe you have already been misquoted, right here on DU.

[Cameron27]

26. Hey good job Don!

Congrats :toast:

[Debi]

27. HA! You were on Rush Limbaugh!

(Don't ask me why I was watching - it was just on the channel when I started the car) I recognized the story b/c he just read it verbatum from the article (he can read??!!)

The Ditto-drooler says that all these Clinton supporters are just faking the enthusiasm and the media are buying into it and reporting your stories. x(

So your 15-minutes of fame have now been completely wiped out by 15-minutes of shame on the EIB network :rofl:

:hi:

[NewHampster]

28. Woohoo

Thanks for letting me know

[Debi]

30. You're not only famous, you're INFAMOUS now too!! n/t

[NewHampster]

32. Double Woohoo

but maybe I'll lock the doors tonight.

[Capn Sunshine]

31. I want to win too

but my take-away from the Clinton campaign is they will do everything wrong, just like they did in '04. Took a twenty point lead in the polls and flushed it. Ignored election fraud.

Hence, my backing of someone who represents the future, not the past.

[NewHampster]

33. Your logic escapes me

What did who do wrong in '04 other than Kerry? And it seems the Clinton campaign is doing everything right.

[smalll]

36. You know as well as any of us that Hillary, not Kerry, called the shots back in '04

just in the same way she manipulated the media to destroy Dean in the early part of that year: see this thread, posts 17 and 19:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3592754#3593406
:shrug:

[NewHampster]

37. outa here

[Debi]

34. Which Clinton was running for President in 2004? n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

35. Good job. I've read some of your previous posts and appreciate your political astuteness.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3590990

I liked this post, and just have one question.

Why do the "Lillie white" people of NH and IA get to be the only ones to kick the tires, so to speak? Wouldn't a more diverse population be even better?

That's all.

Welcome to DU! MKJ

on edit, changed my spelling and grammer to match the post.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. You want a winner? I want someone with integrity who will uphold our constitution

[Booster]

39. Damn cool, Don. That was a good article. She's not my first

choice, but I will vote for her if she is the nominee. WTG.

[sellitman]

40. There are lots of "nice people" running on our side.

Being affable is not all we need now.

We need to get out of Iraq. Unfortunately I don't think Hillary or Obama would do that fast enough for me.

Kucinich would and possibly Edwards.

One of those two get my vote.

[NewHampster]

41. Worth another kick I think

[durrrty libby]

42. Hey NH I read that article and had no idea it was you

Congrats:yourock: