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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:57 PM
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Does the Democratic Party fear Moveon.org?
Their recent condemnation of moveon.org seems to indicate, YES. Yes I know that they didn’t all vote to condemn moveon.org, but the silence of those that didn’t speaks volumes.

Seems to me that moveon.org represents a movement of average citizens that feel disenfranchised with the Democratic Party. These citizens are told by their Parties that they have the power because they can vote. If that were so, then why do we have so much happening in government that the people don’t like? For example: approx 70% of Democrats want King George and Emperor Cheney impeached, but we are told, not so politely, that impeachment is “off the table”. Wait, I thought we ran the Party. Apparently not.

The people thought that in 2006 they could effect what our government does by replacing republicans with Democrats. According to polls, the people are terribly disappointed with the results. I am thinking that the Democrats that got elected aren’t representing those that elected them. Now why is that? And does that have anything to do with the growth of organizations like moveon.org?

Here’s my opinion, it’s free and worth every penny. The Democratic Party is a machine, not as well oiled as the republican party machine, but a machine none the less. That isn’t necessarily bad. And many in the machine are working hard for democracy and are well meaning. But there are those that are only involved for their own ends and not interested in fighting tyranny. My experience is that when you go to the machine and say that our representative is not representing good Democratic principles and needs to be replaced, the response you get is laughter in your face. “What, you want to replace an incumbent? Our incumbent is guaranteed to win.” But, you say, if they don’t represent us, shouldn’t we replace them? “Understand that winning the general is the goal. Having good representation is not.” This made me think, how often does a Party replace their own incumbent? Ah, ah, don’t throw Lieberman at me. It wasn’t the Party that wanted him replaced. In fact the Democratic Party supported him even after the citizens made it clear they didn’t. And you know the results, the citizens were screwed.

Forgive me if I go on, and I tend to do that. I was recently at a meeting of citizens in favor of impeachment. They were pushing a petition for impeachment to be presented to our Representative to the HOR, a long time Democrat. They stated that the Representative would pay attention because we are all voters and could replace him if we wanted. I pointed out that we can’t replace him unless there is a replacement that the local and state Democratic Party endorsed. There happened to be a representative of the local county Democratic Party present. When asked how the county party felt about impeachment, the representative stated that it hadn’t been discussed. Well over half of the Democrats want impeachment, but it isn’t even discussed by the local machine.

My point, and forgive the length, is that as citizens we have very little power. The Democratic Party knows that because of the “worst of evils” principle, we will vote for a Democrat over a Republican. Therefore, when I write my Democratic Representative or Senator and express my views, they don’t have to pay attention and they often don’t. They are comfortable that I can not vote against them unless I am willing to vote for a Republican. Democratic incumbents can not be replaced by Democrats. To be effective we must get into the machine. To have any power at all we have to take over the machine.

If the Democratic Party refuses to impeach then I guess we will have to wait for the tea party.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 06:58 PM
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1. congressional democrats seem to fear SUCCESS nt
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:02 PM
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2. too true
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GeminiProgressive Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:09 PM
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4. Yes the Democratic Party Fears MoveOn.org
The Democratic Party is traditionally the graveyard for progressive movements. Occasionally we apply so much pressure and elect so many lefties that some reforms are made. Many socialists and socialist parties ahve been gobbled up by the Dem Party. Unemployment insurance, credit unions, community hospitals, social security. medicare, medicaid, ect were all small reforms that socialists championed. Socialists actually hated the party leadership because they felt the party enacted the smallest reforms they had to just to keep their power. They absorbed the anti-war movements of iraq and Vietnam, Moveon.org, The former Progressive Party, labor unions, the Farmer-Labor Party...ect ect..pretty long list. They definately fear the real people's movements.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:03 PM
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3. MoveOn is just made up of voters
So I would say they fear them right around election time and could give a rat's ass about them the rest of the time.

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 07:15 PM
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5. DING DING DING! Mojambo, you're our grand prize winner!
MoveOn is just made up of voters...
What the MoveOn ad really did was give the voters a voice that neither party wants them to have. May they have many more!

:headbang:
rocknation
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:34 PM
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6. Voters have become disenfranchised with the Democratic Party.
We try to get them to listen to us but they ignore us. Nancy says the hell with 70% of the Democrats that want impeachment. We have no alternative and she knows it.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 09:52 PM
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7. Someone should tell Nancy she works for us, not the republicans. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 06:05 PM
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8. I am disappointed in the lack of discussion on this issue. This is the issue that will
sink or swim for the Democrats in 2008. The Democratic Party has essentially said that they don't give a shit what their base wants. Impeachment is off the table and there is not one friggin thing the base can do about it. Many Democrats are disenfranchised with the Party. We as Democrats seem to have no say in what the Party machine wants to do, or not do. The Party machine knows that the base has know choice but to support the Party because they are the best of evils. So when the base tries to influence the Party machine, they get snubbed. Nancy says impeachment is off the table regardless what her constituents or the nation wants. The Party machine apparently doesn't want to take on battles they might not win. I am so glad our forefathers didn't have that defeatist attitude. Look around folks, the republicans have killed the Constitution and what is our Party doing about it? Nothing.
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