Two Presidential Candidates voted No on the IWR

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Kucinich and Paul were not fooled by the intel and they did not delegate their authority to declare war to the President.


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0128-08.htm

"It is time to set the record straight. The United States Congress never voted for the Iraq war. Rather, Congress voted for a resolution in October 2002 which unlawfully transferred to the president the decision-making power of whether to launch a first-strike invasion of Iraq. The United States Constitution vests the awesome power of deciding whether to send the nation into war solely in the United States Congress.

Those members of Congress-including certain Democratic presidential candidates-who voted for that October resolution cannot now claim that they were deceived, as some of them do. By unlawfully ceding the war-declaring power to the president, they allowed the president to start a war against Iraq based on whatever evidence or whatever lies he chose. The members of Congress who voted for that October resolution are as complicit in this illegal war as is the president himself."

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll455.xml

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237


Vote "NO'' On Iraq War Resolution US
http://www2.kucinich.us/files/pdfs/IraqFloorSpeech2002.pdf
or
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2002/10/03_kucinich_vote-no.htm


Congressman Ron Paul
Statement Opposing the use of Military Force against Iraq
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2002/cr100802.htm

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1. Kick!

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2. K&R!

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3. A few short years ago, those guys were both rabid anti-choicers

Well, Paul still is. Dennis changed his tune before he started running for President. Their votes on the war are not the end all be all for me.

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6. Dennis Kucinich on Abortion in America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiVKtwS-UvM

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4. Kick and R to the GREATEST

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5. Thanks for the K&R's, thought they deserved some credit

especially since our media has chosen to ignore their judgement, courage and votes on this issue by interviewing other candidates.

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7. Good Point

and the whole "they were fooled" argument seems painfully inadequate, particularly for Edwards and Clinton who served on the Intelligence Committee. I think Se. Durbin's speech regarding the intelligence casts some serious doubts on this "excuse".

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9. Even if you put aside the intel, they delegated their duty to

declare war to someone else! Senator Byrd brought this issue up and also the fact that it is difficult to take back the broad authority that was being granted to Bush.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2002_record&page=S10287&position=all

"Mr. BYRD. It does. And it is easy
enough, I suppose, to pass this resolution.
But should we try to negate it,
should we try to repeal it, should we
try to change the law, a President can
veto any change that Congress might
bring along later, any change it might
enact, in order to overturn this law it
is now about to adopt."

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8. Obama also deserves a little credit

He may not have had a vote in the Senate at the time, but he really put it better than anyone when he gave his speech at the anti-war rally:

http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php
I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

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10. A little :) although he was not in the hot seat at the time. n/t