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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:05 AM
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I need some Hillary Propaganda
I am having trouble understanding why Hillary is doing so well in the polls. She has almost a 20 point lead over Obama and I don't get it.

I was a big Edwards fan and that carried over from the last time until I read Obama's books and then I switched camps. But is there any good books or articles on Hillary Clinton that would win someone like me over?

I've flipped through her website and the news articles but she just comes off as plastic and too polished.

So, instead of telling me why I shouldn't like so and so, can the Hillary camp tell me why they came to trust her?
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:07 AM
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1. MSM
they lie. The MSM has mislead the American public from the first day they turned a profit.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:09 AM
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2. Im not sure you should trust anyone .....
Here is the deal with Hillary, in my view ....

1) She is already considered formidable by the GOP .... She scares them tremendously ....

2) She has the greatest chance of winning office AND leading with mildly progressive policy .... (as opposed to say; Brownback or Tancredo) ....

She leads because she is popular ..... shrugs .... Not my first choice ... but I will vote for her ....
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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:15 AM
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3. That's my feelings but she has no
draw for me and I just don't get it. With all the let downs of politicians you would think people would be fired up about candidates that are going to go in and break some shit and get things done. I just don't see it but apparently 47% of Dem voters see it.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:19 AM
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5. Well ....
I see this happening ....

Millions of disillusioned Democratic american citizens will consider going to vote on that day .... Some will not ... most will ....

A HUGE percentage of Democrats WILL vote for her, even if they dont like her .... because the alternative is more distasteful ....

That will be the pragmatic conclusion of that day .... I believe she will win ....
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 10:30 AM
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12. Very depressing scenerio
One would think we could do better -- Especially in a climate where the GOP is on the ropes.

But alas, you're probably right.
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:17 AM
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4. She has a 20 pt lead depending on who is paying for the poll. The only way she
Edited on Fri Oct-12-07 03:21 AM by bluetrain
can win is if the vote gets stolen again. Misogyny is alive and well in this country and the Clinton hatred by the *constituents* of the right wing politicians is going just as strong as it ever was. Also, a lot of true progressives, myself amongst them, can't stand by her policy votes and she's not going to be able to win us over no matter how many millions of dollars she spends on advertising; she's not a brand we have any faith in. She is not an electable candidate which is the very reason the right has been trying to force her nomination for years before she even entered the ring. They'll slide Romney in easily if the uninformed on the left don't wake up in time.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 06:05 AM
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9. If I Had A Dollar For Every Fact Not In Your Post I Could End Poverty
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 10:37 AM
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13. If Clinton wins that means the votes were stolen?
Is that just a standard response to every election you don't like?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 03:19 AM
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6. Just go with your gut feeling - that's the best way to determine who's right
for you to support.

I'd recommend watching videos of them all - that's how I came to my decision, and I've never felt so sure of a candidate in my life.

And I agree, don't worry about the polls - there's a LONG way to go.

Good luck!

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hopeforhill Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:08 AM
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7. Propaganda? (Meanwhile Here in the Real World)
Let's just cut the fat. There are many reasons to support
Hillary. OK, she's not perfect by any means. Will she be able
to deliver on everything she says she will? No! However she
does have good intentions. 
Now to the point. The only reason to support Hillary is very
simple. Just think about the other candidates. Do you think
for one second that any one of them will do a better job? Why?
Because they are men? Because they are smarter? Because they
are bigger? What?
Fact: Hillary has equal or more education than any of them.
Fact: She thinks faster on her toes than any of them.
Fact: Is a much better speaker than any of them.
Fact: She can make all of them look like bumbling retards in
debates.
Look at the competition closely and you know that she is the
lessor of all evils.
Here are some every day life reasons to support Hillary.
Fact: Women mature faster than men.
Fact: Women are more responsible than men.
Fact: Women can survive the pain of giving birth.
How many men turn their paychecks over to the wife every week,
because if they didn't the bills would never get paid? Just a
guess, but I think it's a whole lot.
Fact: Men make spur of the moment decisions.
Fact: Men have the most stupid mid-life crisis. (Turn 40, buy
a new Corvette, dump your wife and move in with a 20 year
old.) C-mon you see it all the          time.
Fact: Men lead us into war with countries that don't pose any
threat.
Fact: Men hire women like Condelisa to save their ass.
Fact: Men are all about the latest and greatest toys. 
In my opinion, as a man, I don't think Hillary can do any
worse than any of the others. As a resident of Washington
State I have truly seen the effects of having a woman in
charge. Governor Christine Gregoire has done just as good if
not better than Gary Locke.
So why give her a chance? Because we can!
To all of the Hillary supporters out there, now you can add
some humor to all this boring election stuff. Go to the link
below and show your support.


http://www.voteforthebitch.com


Vote for the BITCH! Was created to enhance Hillary's
notoriety, especially on the
west coast.

Our goal is to liven up the usually dull campaign for the oval
office. At the same
time encourage the general public to vote.

This is a bright new age. The days of old are coming to an end
rapidly. A much
younger generation is taking hold and will determine the
future. With the rapid
growth of technology comes bright young stars who need to come
together as the
voting majority. The older generation has been allowed to
dictate policy for way too
long.

Our focus is to encourage age 18-40 to get off your but and do
something about the
almost irreversible state of this great country of ours. As
fellow members of this
younger generation we know that most of you are not happy with
the way things are
evolving. We know that you want changes.

To most of us the presidential race is boring. The debates are
boring. The stupid ads
on TV slandering one another are boring. And even worse the
candidates are all old,
boring people that are only out for themselves. They lie and
we can't count on them
for nothing.

Well as we said, times are changing rapidly. We now have a
candidate that is truly
different. Hillary Clinton! Were not saying she's perfect by
no means. But she is the
best thing in over 40 years. We believe in her ability to stop
the bleeding. We
believe that she has our best interest at heart. She has
proven her resourcefulness in
many ways. She will be an extremely valuable asset as
President of The United
States of America.

We have noticed so many great characteristics in Hillary that
have strongly
motivated us to reach out for your combined assistance.

Hillary has demonstrated the following to us:

The ability to rebound from bad situations.
The ability to listen and understand peoples needs and wants.
The ability to find multiple solutions to one problem and act
on the best one.
The ability to respond aggressively  when then need arises.
She knows when to ask for help.
And lastly, she knows when it's time to be a bitch.

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 10:16 AM
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11. Misandry, plain and simple; it's an odd form of self-hatred
Are you trying to curry favor with females for basically dismissing half of the human race based on gender? Do you really believe this? If so, it must be sad to be trapped in the body of the inferior sex.

Of course, gender has nothing to do with it; virtually any Clinton supporter will tell you that.

Her NH forum performance was deplorable; she was sketchy, evasive, defensive and pompous.

She's good at self-promotion and attainment of office, but she's deeply, deeply shallow. She only has one true constituent: herself.

Those of downtrodden groups who try to erase barriers aren't generally successful by claiming inherent superiority to their oppressors, so diatribes like these--even if blathered by males--don't help.

Where she's made the others look like bumbling retards would be in instances I've missed.

Women are not, as a group, more responsible than men, nor are they less vapid, nor are they less prone to spending on faddish toys.

This is just plain silly.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 05:43 AM
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8. Progressive groups give her an extraordinarily high rating. Howzat for propaganda?
Edited on Fri Oct-12-07 05:45 AM by Perry Logan
The organizations who would know give Hillary very high ratings. Baddabim-baddaboom.

Hillary Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)

Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%

This material is quoted from another thread in this section:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3602202
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 07:08 AM
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10. Odd, I've been called a 'phony' progressive and yet...
Edited on Fri Oct-12-07 07:09 AM by MethuenProgressive
Sen Clinton scores very well on the "progressive meter"

Hillary Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)

Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-12-07 10:55 AM
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14. You missed the lesson in HS about how and who gets elected class President. It's people skills. n/t
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