GALLUP: Despite Nobel Prize, No 'Groundswell' for Gore for President

[Herman Munster]

Again DU belongs to an alernate bubble universe not in touch with reality.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003658033

NEW YORK The Gallup Poll organization released a report today revealing that despite Al Gore's latest honor -- the Nobel Peace Prize for his global warming battle -- its polls have detected no "groundswell" for a Gore race for the White House in 2008.

It said that its surveys, in fact, have found only a "slightly more positive than negative" rating for the former vice president.

"There has not been a large groundswell of support for him to run for president to this point, and if he were to enter the Democratic primaries, he would place no better than third nationally in the polls," the report declared. In fact, the most recent 2008 Democratic presidential nomination trial heat showed Gore at just 10%, his worst showing this year.

The latest survey of all adults found 50% with a favorable view and 42% unfavorable. Democrats have a more positive view "but his pre-Nobel favorable rating was no better than that of Sen. Barack Obama or former Sen. John Edwards, and lower than Democrats' ratings of Sen. Hillary Clinton."

[Chovexani]

1. Who on earth are they asking?

Every Democrat I know in "meatspace" is chomping at the bit for Al to run. This is in Tempe, AZ, a college town.

[marlakay]

2. god they must ask only in republican

neighborhoods...

[Chovexani]

11. I swear they just make this shit up

:shrug:

[robinlynne]

53. they're asking republicans. Imagine if that matters?

[robinlynne]

54. I mean do we prefer Mitt Romney or Guiliani, really?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

3. Everybody LOVES Hillary!!!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can a guy like Al Gore, EVER hope to defeat someone as immensely qualified and popular as HILLARY!!!!!

I really don't think there is ANYBODY on this planet, whom the Democrats could nominate, more worthy of leading our MONARCHY, than Ms. Clinton.

FUCK!!! Let's just skip the whole process, and CROWN HER RIGHT FUCKING NOW for christ's sake.

:sarcasm:

[aquart]

5. Okay, the jackass IS the appropriate animal for this party.

[Guaranteed]

44. I know, my friend. The absurdity makes you want to rip your hair out, don't it? nt

[musette_sf]

4. looks like the MSM

is "doing its job".

oops, I mean the DLC/RNC Coalition For The Corporate Status Quo.

[Cary]

6. Al Gore would have made a great president.

He should have never distanced himself from Bill Clinton. That was his biggest mistake, IMHO.

[Hydra]

7. Gore didn't lose

please don't spread that meme

[Cary]

8. He didn't win by enough votes to overcome the corruption of the election.

He shouldn't have distanced himself from Clinton. That was a strategic error.

[Hydra]

12. he won by at least 87,000 votes in FL that are easily proven

Thank SCOTUS for their decision. The decision of the people stands, however.

[Cary]

17. It's clear that the Supreme Court appointed Bush as our president.

You will get no argument from me on that.

But I think if he used Bill Clinton instead of shunning him, the election wouldn't have been as close as it was and it wouldn't have been so easy to steal.

Gore made a few other mistakes.

But give me some credit, please. I said that I believed that Gore would have made an excellent president--certainly light years beyond Bush.

I can't wait for our national Bush nightmare to end.

[Hydra]

18. I'm not arguing your support

but each person that accepts the myth that Gore was not elected hurts us. Even if you don't accept that myth but speak as if you do, gives more weight to Bush's myth of legitimacy.

I do the same for Kerry. I wanted Dean as President, but I voted for Kerry, and he won.

Wanna know why this is MAJOR important? The DLCers and War Party keep insisting that we need them to win the elections- that's patently untrue. We need them like we need a hole in the head.

Our candidates are viable, as are our ideas- we have to push back and keep reminding people that these elections were STOLEN- there is nothing wrong with the Dem platform, including ending the war.

[Cary]

21. Actually I have no idea what you're ranting about.

Keep going out of your way to manufacture wedge issues for Democrats and we will lose in 2008.

[Hydra]

24. "Manufacture wedge issues??"

How can I possibly come up with one bigger than continuing the war?

If you don't see the importance of calling out election fraud, I'm not going to try to convince you.

[Cary]

34. I think we're all united behind the idea of ending the "war".

It's not even a war. It's an occupation.

The 2000 election, on the other hand, is ancient history. I say that Gore was really our president and the Supreme Court effectively appointed Bush. You chastise me because for some reason you think my statement about Gore really being elected president isn't what? Strong enough?

I still have no idea what you're trying to say, and it seems to me that you're picking a fight with me for no good reason other than to pick a fight with me.

I don't want to fight with you. I want to defeat rightists and I really don't want a super hawkish asshole like Giuliani. Nor do I want someone who is going to continue the assault on our middle class.

[karynnj]

20. Because there was no alternative universe where he worked with Clinton

that can't be known. Clinton had high job approval - but low favorability tat that time. There were people sick of him - no matter what Penn said. Otherwise, Bush could not have run on restoring dignity.

As it was, Clinton gave a big interview a few days before the convention on his repentence on Monica Lewinsky. That was a completely self satisfying selfish thing to do. People did not need to hear anything more from Bill on that.

[Cary]

22. "Self satisfying selfish" or whatever, Bill could have been an asset.

[karynnj]

28. As I said, that is really unknown

It can not be proven either way. It is true that Clinton is a draw, but also true many people were not happy with him then.

[Cary]

33. So then according to you I'm not entitled to have an opinion.

Of course it can't be "proven".

[karynnj]

36. of course you are - but you stated yours as fact, not conditioned in anyway

That was all I was saying in both posts - that there definitely was at least some merit to both views. (A third view might even be that had Gore sent Bill to some events, he might have been kept Clinton from the counterproductive knocking the campaign and second guessing Gore's positions - though Kerry did welcome him and he did the same to Kerry. It may be that Clinton lacks the ability to be good supporting someone else rather than himself - his keynote speech for Dukakis stunk as well. HRC would of course be a special case where he is for himself by being for her.)

[Cary]

37. ????

How do you get that from the statement, and I quote myself:

"He should have never distanced himself from Bill Clinton. That was his biggest mistake, IMHO."

WTF?

[MGKrebs]

23. Gore is not the President, so he did lose.

The more we try to contradict that, the more we discourage others from fighting for their rights. If Gore had continued to fight, he may have won. He did not, and he lost.
Fight to win.
Give up and lose.

Pretending it's anything else is fantasy.

[Samantha]

25. I do not think your statement is a fair one

Bush* might be occupying the White House, but he does not have true legitimacy throughout this Nation. In many respects, Al Gore in many quarters, despite NOT sitting in the White, is more of a recognized leader in so many areas, ethically, philosophically, and on many prominent issues.

The reason why Bush* lacks legitimacy (and has from the beginning) took seed in how he conducted the Florida debacle. You may recall Jim Baker baiting the Gore camp to go to court to resolve the recount issue. Gore did not take that bait because he knew the American people would not accept as legitimate a President who won the office in court as opposed to the electoral process as outlined by the Constitution. Because Gore did not take the bait, the Republicans were forced to be the first to file in Court, and ultimately, as we all know, the Supreme Court decided the presidency. This was Baker's goal from the onset. He knew the Republican-stacked court would lean Bush's way (remember who was the Chief Justice at that time) and many of the players from that same era as came that Chief Justice were active Bush* advisers. So Baker's gamble played off but Gore's instincts were correct. And that is exactly why Bush* has failed to gain the support he has needed from the American people (on a bi-partisan basis) these last seven years. And it is also, in part, the reason, Al Gore has shot to the state of grace he has today.

Nothing personal, MGKrebs, but I do believe it is fair to say that it takes more than a crooked election to make a President, and one only has to look at Bush* for proof of that statement.

[MGKrebs]

32. I don't disagree with that.

Bush may not be the "legitimate" President, but it cannot be denied that he is the President. I just find it unhelpful claim otherwise. It's almost like sticking your fingers in your ears and going "blah-blah-blah" because it's something we don't want to hear.
Not a big deal either way though. Whatever we call him, we still have to try to figure out how to contain his lunacy.

[Hydra]

26. It's not a fantasy

except on a more powerful subject, that most DUers don't want to touch.

Al was not beaten lawfully, so what occurred was the in fact a violation of the rule of law itself. Given that fact, the only way Al could have become President in the realm of law of the jungle would have been us putting him there over the might of the other team, and it would have been bloody.

Who here was ready to do that at the time?

In hindsight, it seems it would have been the best idea...but even I would have hesitated to do it.

Given that fact, we have the gov't we deserve.

To use your term, WE gave up and lost. Al went all the way to SCOTUS, and one vote would have made the difference.

[Bread and Circus]

27. Maybe Clinton shouldn't have cheated on his wife and lied about it...

and been such a shithead about it.

Oh and maybe Clinton shouldn't have signed NAFTA into law.

[Cary]

35. Clinton certainly was not perfect. Far from it.

But he could have helped Gore.

[Bread and Circus]

43. And could have helped him more had he been in control of his urges...

basically to a degree Clinton left a mess for Gore.

That's all I'm saying.

[ecstatic]

59. The Presidency was HIS... The CBC wanted to continue fighting

if not for him, then at least for the disenfranchised voters in Florida. So tell me why I should be jumping up and down at the prospect of him running again when he threw a sure thing away the first time? He should have fought for our constitution!

[redqueen]

9. Did they really conduct such a poll?

A comment on another thread about it indicates the poll they're referring to was taken in August.

:shrug:

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[HeeBGBz]

10. Where do they get this shit?

Are they deliberately trying to make people believe that garbage in order to quash his popularity?

[Forkboy]

13. They did this poll today?

;)

[ronnykmarshall]

15. Where the hell is the support of Rodan?

Bastard lying sacks of shit!

[Forkboy]

16. Rodan is a third party splinterist.

My vote is still with the big G, who should be a big D.He's anti-war, an equal opportunity stomper, and never goes down quietly.Sounds like a shoe in to me. :D

[ronnykmarshall]

14. Gallup is a DLC tool.

A prawn of the RW and KKKarl.

[karynnj]

19. He got the Nobel tody

are you saying that before a single day passed, they got a poll out, collected data and analyzed it. That is fast, impressive ...and totally unbelievabel. Calling during the day without much time for call backs(sky high non-response rate), what would the response rate be. Any of you who did phone banking have a pretty good idea.

I'm not saing the conclusion is wrong - I'm saying I don't trust the methodology that would have it this fast.

[JNelson6563]

30. Exactly.

Brilliant point. :toast:

[Egnever]

29. Pure garbage

He wins the award today and already they had the poll done. I cry bullshit!

[jmp]

31. Looks like sandbagging to me.

There seems to be a conspiracy to get Hillary elected at any cost. I would love to know who actually pulls the strings in this country, because it sure as hell isn't us.

[sniffa]

38. again, must protect hiLLary

must denigrate non hiLLbots.

[Armstead]

39. Surprise, surprise...People don't support a candidate who isn't running

If this is more "evidence" of the unrealism of DUers who don;t like Hillary, it falls pretty flat.

Gore is not the frontrunner in a contest he hasn't even entered. Surprise, surprise.

[ldf]

40. let's see...

al is announced, at what time friday morning, as co-winner of nobel peace prize?

and by 3:20 the afternoon of the same day, gallup has conducted the poll, put together a news release, and hit the news with the "no groundswell for gore" meme.

they are so obviously desperate it is -almost- funny.

they are SOOOOO afraid of a gore candidacy they are pissing their pants.

come on, al!

do it for america!

let's show the "meme"rs what kind of response you would get. many of us are ready, with our checkbooks! i bet you could raise 100 million in a week.

:toast: & :thumbsup: al!

[surfermaw]

41. He could win if he went in one month before the primaries , However

he should have used the accomplishments of The Clinton Gore Administration...and he should have had Clinton campaigning for him...But he can win hands down.

[Cary]

47. Seems obvious to me.

I was accused of being anti-Gore for saying this. WTF?

[Freddie Stubbs]

56. Many of the primaries have filing deadlines much earlier than that

NH's filing deadline is Novmeber 2.

[catgirl]

42. This is called BULL SHIT

Another anti-Gore thread from you. Who do you think
you're fooling? I can cherry pick a few polls for you too.
I expected this kind of crap from people like you.

[Cary]

46. I'm not anti-Gore.

You're obviously just looking to pick fights instead of having a discussion, which in my opinion is pure belligerence. You are exactly the kind of poster I'm complaining about.

Go take your belligerence somewhere else.

[catgirl]

51. Um, Cary, my post is responding to the OP, not to you

I haven't read any of this thread (except your
post to me) and I have no clue what you're
talking about. I'm not "looking for a fight"
with you, sorry, you'll have to find one elsewhere.

[Cary]

57. Sorry catgirl.

I think I was responding to the wrong thread. Oops.

[catgirl]

52. The top right-hand corner shows who the poster is replying to. N/T

[KoKo]

45. Gallup has always been a Repug Pollster...and owned by the PTB...

If we know our Media are owned after 7 years of Bush...then why should we assume that various Pollsters (like HIllary's Mark Penn) are not all by now ....Part of the Establishment of Control.

:shrug:

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

48. Gallup always gives H. Clinton the worst negatives too (8-10 points worse than other polls)

I wonder if they are still using a model of party support to calibrate their polling.

(Random samples show big drops in republican identification, so any such model could be out of date.)

[samsingh]

49. that's because of the conservative right wing MSM lies about Al

[otohara]

50. Then Why Have 67,000 More People

signed the DraftGore petition since NYT's ad and Nobel? http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/signatories.html

[dansolo]

55. Have they even taken a poll since he won the Nobel Peace Prize?

The Gallup Poll organization should be ashamed of themselves. The text of the article alludes to a poll taken before the Nobel prize was awarded. How can they claim that his winning the Nobel prize is not having any effect? Personally, until he actually announces, any polls that include him are pretty meaningless, because there are probably a lot of people who don't believe he will run. They won't choose him in a poll because of that, even if they do favor him.

[HughBeaumont]

58. Ah, just wouldn't be DU without a marginalization of Al Gore by a Hillary supporter.

Al is 600 times the candidate that Madam Windsock is, and no RWC smear-campaign is going to change that. EVER.