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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:06 AM
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If Obama ignored his campaign debt like Hillary his cash on hand is $36m to her $34m
Spin away folks, but its the simple truth, but actually they both have $32m:

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n the end, Clinton reported raising $28 million between July 1 and Sept. 30 and having $50 million in cash-on-hand.

Of that, about $34 million can be spent on the primary, while $16 million is for the general election. Clinton also reported carrying $2 million in debts, driving her ready cash figure down to around $32 million.

Obama’s report, the last to go public, showed him raising $21 million during the third quarter and ending it with $36 million in cash.

But he, too, has some debt and has raised money that must be held for the general election, which drives his primary cash total to about $32 million.
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http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A740FD81-3048-5C12-001F5FE41FC355A6
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:07 AM
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1. Most of that differential is general election funds, not debt. n/t
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:13 AM
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2. The spin is not about the general election
Clinton Edges Obama in Cash on Hand
Oct 16 01:26 AM US/Eastern
By JIM KUHNHENN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton ended September with more money in the bank than rival Barack Obama, holding nearly $35 million cash on hand for the presidential primary contests to his $32 million.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SA4NVO0&show_article=1

Doesn't look like they are talking general election here now does it?
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:40 AM
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3. Because Hillary needs to budget for the GE and the rest don't. n/t
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:45 AM
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4. More spin. . .primary and general election $$$ are different
So its not about budgeting. Its about spin, and nothing wrong with spin, but there is also nothing wrong with calling out blatant spin when you see it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:36 AM
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10. Hillary out raised Obama and has more money to spend on the general..
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:41 AM
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11. Changing the discussion? The spin in question relates to the primary. . .LOL
Clinton Edges Obama in Cash on Hand
Oct 16 01:26 AM US/Eastern
By JIM KUHNHENN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton ended September with more money in the bank than rival Barack Obama, holding nearly $35 million cash on hand for the presidential primary contests to his $32 million.
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Here is the funny thing even the OP of a thread you created you are talking about the primary. LOL You are being inconsistent with yourself. . .LOL

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3612947

I love it when people contradict themselves.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:04 AM
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5. Obama supporters getting in a pissing match again
Give it a rest. People are sick of your constant whinning.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:08 AM
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6. Is it whinning to hold both candidates to the same standard?
Tell me what is untruthful about the OP in this thread. You will notice I didn't cry, call her a liar, etc. I pointed out the spin and that if you evaluated both candidates finances by the same criteria they have the same amount of cash on hand.

Tell my how I'm whining. I know there is another thread that calls her liar and dishonest, in this thread I just acknowledged it was spin. So explain to me how I'm whining and more importantly why I should not expect the finances of Hillary and Barack to be evaluated by the same criteria.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:16 AM
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7. People are sick of Hillary Supporters trying to Bash Obama
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:30 AM
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8. Boy are you working hard to flog a non-issue.
Who cares?

Blah. Blah. Blah.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:33 AM
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9. Non issue? Is that because the spin was exposed?
LOL
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:50 AM
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12. Does a discussion of this issue (whatever your personal issue is)
gain a single vote for Obama?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:54 AM
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14. So should spin go unchallenged?
The cornerstone of the Clinton campaign is her inevitability and spin like the claim that she has more money than Obama for the primary plays right into that strategy. No this thread will not get a single vote for Obama, however its important that spin be challenged at every avenue because the momentum gained by her faux inevitability mantra does make a a difference and it should be challenged.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:51 AM
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13. Did Hillary beat Obama in 3rd quarter fundraising or not?
That is the story.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 11:57 AM
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15. Again you are changing the story. . .the spin put out today was that Hillary had more cash on hand
You know that. No one is disputed that Hillary raised money in the 3rd quarter but the discussion advanced today my the press and the Hillary supporters on DU is that she had more cash on hand for the primary which is simply not true. What you are trying to do is change the discussion. LOL

Look at this thread posted by Hillary supporter, is it the 3rd quarter being discussed or cash on hand?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3612947
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:14 PM
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16. I like it when opposition supporters waste their energy on
things that don't matter.

You are spinnin' a vapor.

Please keep going.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:15 PM
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17. You're freaking out about one poster posting articles offering differing information?
Shit at this point it seems like speculation on both sides. I am waiting until open secrets has all the numbers and is done sifting thru the FEC reports before I declare any cash on hand winners(though it looks like it would be close any way).

Also I wouldn't rely too heavily on "politico" analysis especially from someone who was the WSJ's white house reporter during the Clinton years.
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