I think I am going to vote for all Republicans this time.

[LoZoccolo]

If I give the Republicans my vote, they might be so grateful that I gave it to them that they do what I say with all my progressive values. I would have voted them in, so would they represent me, just as we expect the Democrats in Congress to do whatever we say or else they are betraying us.

Remember, just because something has no chance of working, it doesn't matter as long as you have the right intentions in mind.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. I think you're going to confuse people that don't have a sarcasm meter.

But you're right on target. Isn't there a saying about right intentions and the road to hell?

[whistle]

2. My God , you can't be serious, either that or you have not been a

...democrat very long. Republicans will take all of your progressive values into the public rest rooms with them, stuff them in the toilet, shit and piss on them, push the flusher and run out faster then the backup sewage along with your progressive values can run all over stinking up everything. :hurts:

[LoZoccolo]

4. My vote is mine, and I will have elected them based on progressive values.

It is for them to represent me and the rest of the progressive grassroots.

[whistle]

8. Okay, so you are serious and I then presume that as a progressive

...democrat you will vote for republicans who will support these particular issues and causes:

o a sustainable environment,
o anti-war and peace organizations,
o labor rights,
o women's rights,
o human rights,
o and so on.

So, you will find groups working on these particular issues and form coalitions that are based on common self-interest to work toward a particular program or policy initiative. Those groups will then come out and give full endorsement and their vote to republicans who give their word that if elected will in fact vote for those issues. Is that what you believe will happen?

[LoZoccolo]

10. Actually, none of those.

The whole point is that because of my vote, they will owe me one and should change their positions.

Listen, we all have our own way of taking a stand.

[whistle]

11. Your individual vote you mean?

[LoZoccolo]

12. Yep.

In a way, my vote represents hope, rather than fear, because I am voting for who I hope to change, rather than against who I fear will not.

[whistle]

13. Wow, aren't you being just a bit naive? Your individual vote is secret

...and furthermore it is just a single voice among a constituency of hundreds of thousands in the case of representatives and millions when it comes to state senators. When was the last time any federal elected person gave you a personal audience and listened to your views and acted on them? Truthfully never, not be audience, not by letter not by email. We do not have representative democracy in this country for individuals and we hardly have it for special interest groups or even PACS.

All that matters is money and power!

What can you financially contribute and where is your army?

[LoZoccolo]

14. If you have any doubt, use Google to find the phrase "speak truth to power".

You will find thousands of voices raised in peace and justice.

[whistle]

16. Well, post the link and let us all go directly to the source you want us to see

[LoZoccolo]

17. Ah yes.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22speak+truth+to+power%22&btnG=Google+Search

The picture is not of one single source, but many grassroots candles dotting the darkness of the landscape.

[whistle]

20. When you find one which supports your notion, please post it

...I'll be very interested in reading just how it will change a republican who might embrace my progressive values

[ProudDad]

18. The OP is a notorious knee-jerk, Nader-Hater

He/she/it is trying to satirize people who choose to vote their conscience instead of voting where the corporate money tells them to vote.

Just ignore it and it will go away...

[whistle]

21. I thought perhaps there was something there, but.....only fluff and purple smoke

[LoZoccolo]

25. Well, some of us are taking a stand. n/t

[Forkboy]

27. You sure are!

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. Nader-hating is a source of notoriety? n/t

[mmonk]

3. So your theory is anyone who doesn't vote for your candidate

is saying they are going to vote all republicans. But we know what you mean don't we? Even though the person may not be saying that.

[LoZoccolo]

5. My theory is that we live in a democracy and I can vote for whoever I want...

...for whatever reason I want. If I want to vote for a Republicans to try to turn them progressive by doing them favors, then so be it.

[bdamomma]

6. maybe we should infiltrate their party??? would it be like the Trojan Horse

infiltrate the repig party with our ideas.

[closeupready]

7. Good points.

n/t

[countingbluecars]

9. Silly post. n/t

[BigDDem]

15. Thanks for sharing....

[ProudDad]

19. Hey, piccolo

this one's pretty stupid, even for you...

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

22. You know who else they thought was stupid?

Tank Man.

[Forkboy]

28. Yes, you and Tank Man are exactly the same.

Even by your standards that's one funny ass post.

[LoZoccolo]

30. And you are trying to be like the people who went and pulled Tank Man out of the way.

Yet I am steadfast, and cannot be pulled away (by people over the Internet).

[Forkboy]

31. Considering that Tank man is one of the few people I would consider a hero...

Comparing me to the type who would stop him is beyond ludicrous, even by your own low standards.You're more like the ones DRIVING the tanks than the one with the guts to stand in front of them.You embarrass yourself utterly when you compare yourself to that man.And I would think you're running out of ways to make a fool of yourself.

[LoZoccolo]

35. Please see your own post #32 in this thread.

You said not to encourage me, and the opposite of encouragement is discouragement, which is what they did to Tank Man.

[ulysses]

36. so, let's keep following this amusing allegory.

Tank Man stood up to a brutal regime slaughtering its own citizens by putting his body in the way of a tank.

You're obsessed with the actions of some frustrated progressives seven years ago and posting about it in an online forum.

Yes, you're exactly like Tank Man.

[Forkboy]

38. They were practically seperated at birth.

I can barely tell them apart. :)

[Forkboy]

37. You make stretches that would make a Yoga teacher blush.

You need to mend a few intermediary synapses.

[lpbk2713]

23. Vote GOP while you can.

The way they're going now on the road to self-destruction you won't have much of a chance later on after they cease to exist. Right now people are bailing out of the GOP because they don't want to be associated with a band of thieves, liars and sex offenders.

[wyldwolf]

24. heh! I see exactly where you're going with this.

It isn't written anywhere, nor does history show, that the Democratic party is or should be a bastion of progressive ideals. Sure, it has been more progressive than the GOP for about 80 years, but the party is under no obligation to conform to the strict definition of progressive that a small subset is dictating.

On the other hand, that small subset is under no obligation to vote for the Democratic party.

[Forkboy]

26. jesus, you have one of the most simplistic minds I've ever come across.

And I mean that in all seriousness.

[ulysses]

29. sometimes, ya gotta take a stand.

[Forkboy]

32. Don't encourage him.

He thinks he's the online equivalent of Tank Man as it is. :rofl:

[Rhythm and Blue]

40. He's making fun of the netroots in this thread.

Nothing he has said is serious. It's all an act. His OP is making fun of the current anger at the Democrats and the threats to take their votes elsewhere (and by doing so create some sort of change). His Tank Man business is making fun of the holier-than-thou self-martyrdom that people here tend to go off on. Everything here is a parody of commonly-posted ideas here. I'm mildly surprised you haven't picked up on that.

[Forkboy]

42. I'm totally aware of his act, both in this thread and elsewhere.

It's not half as clever as he thinks it is, and it never has been.Sadly, compared to his other threads this is barely satire anymore.

Your post is nicer than it was before the edit.Thanks for not singling me out. :toast:

[Rhythm and Blue]

43. Well, I realized that

"you" might be taken personally and not in the sense of "the community to which you belong."

[Forkboy]

44. No, it's cool.

I really did appreciate it. :thumbsup:

[radiclib]

33. Let's see if I get it

In other words, we have no right to expect candidates we voted for to represent our interests over their own, especially if it involved pursuing a strategy that "has no chance of working", like, say, impeachment, which after all can't work because "the votes aren't there" because there have been no investigations or public hearings which might put damaging facts on the table and lead to political pressure for impeachment like, say, Watergate. Or the Iraq occupation, which can't be ended without a veto-proof majority of 67 votes because after all if there's no funding bill either A-we don't support the troops and can't get re-elected or B-Bush leaves the troops in place without funding to be slaughtered but even then we can't impeach because of ...(see above):crazy:

[stranger81]

39. so is that different from how you normally vote? [n/t]

[Rhythm and Blue]

41. LZ, you're awesome. That's all.

[Ignis]

45. You're a Flaming Master Baiter, that's for sure. (nt)