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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:42 PM
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"If you really, really want to go to war with Iran as soon as possible..." (not about Clinton)
Edited on Tue Oct-16-07 08:35 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Josh Marshall (Talking Points Memo) has been plugging away for a couple of weeks trying to get people to focus on Rudy's foreign policy advisors. Pro-choice and gay-friendly are red herrings. Rudy is NOT the moderate in the republican race. Rudy Guliani is perhaps the most dangerous foreign policy extremist to have sought the presidency in a century. Worse than Dick Cheney... let that sink in.
Maybe you love Rudy or maybe you hate him. But whatever you may think of him, check out his foreign policy team, because that's the key to knowing what to expect from a Rudy presidency. Especially for candidates with little or no foreign policy experience of their own, the folks advising the candidate are key.

And Rudy's team is made up, more or less, of all the guys who were too nuts or too extreme to make the cut with George W. Bush. If you really, really want to go to war with Iran as soon as possible, vote Rudy.
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I know I've said before that Romney's profound and almost incalculable phoniness is a terrifying prospect to behold in a possible president. But the danger of phoniness, aesthetic or otherwise, cannot hold a candle to the truly catastrophic foreign policy Giuliani would likely pursue if he got anywhere near the Oval Office. Watching him campaign it's pretty clear that the guy has no real sense that posturing and pandering to ethnic paranoia in New York City simply isn't the same as running a national foreign policy. The people he's coalescing around himself as his foreign policy advisors are the ones who are going to help him learn as he goes.

And they are simply the most dangerous, deranged and deluded folks you can find in American political and foreign policy circles today. It's really not an exaggeration. Scrape the bottom of the "Global War on Terror" Islamofascism nutbasket and you find they've pretty much all signed on as Rudy advisors.
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In Tehran by Summer

Rudy Giuliani has just announced a new raft of foreign policy advisors. ( http://www.observer.com/2007/rudys-new-foreign-policy-advisors-0 ) And I guess the premise of the campaign is now that the Bush administration wasn't sufficiently riddled by neoconservative whackjobs.

Topping the list: Michael Rubin as Senior Iran and Turkey Advisor and Middle East Advisory Board Member.

I really don't know how to describe Rubin for those who aren't familiar with him. He worked at Doug Feith's Office of Special Plans. But that hardly does the matter justice -- rather like saying Dick Cheney was a supporter of the Iraq War. On the TPM Scale of Pure Neoconism (TM) Rubin gets well over 99%. Like the most interesting and frightening neos, Michael is that perfect mix of extreme factual knowledge and extreme lack of judgment, prone to wild-eyed theories and fantasies of various sorts but all in the end leading inexorably toward catastrophic policy moves for the United States. You really might as well put Ahmed Chalabi as your top Mideast or Iran advisor.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/056028.php
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/056020.php
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2007_10_07.php
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:44 PM
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K&R - nt
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:44 PM
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1. ...you'll also go to war with Russia, based on the latest alliance.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:26 PM
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8. Rudy is all about excitment.
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Rhythm and Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:08 AM
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10. That would require an unprecedented change in the Kremlin's attitudes.
Putin is not a risk-taker or a gambler. He, more than any major world leader, always plays it safe, both at home and abroad. For America and Russia to go to any level of armed hostility would require a practically inconceivable change in European politics.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 07:45 PM
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2. Hillary is my last choice for the Dem nomination
But this is the kind of info that will make it easy for me to vote for her in the general election. Rudy's foreign policy is going to make Bush look like Ghandi.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:11 PM
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3. It's amazing how little scrutiny his comments get
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:13 PM
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4. k&r
:kick:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:04 AM
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9. Kick for focus. This deviant is supposed to be "just the same" as mainstream Dems.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:24 PM
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5. Guilliani will outBush , Bush. Besides that he is too authoritarian
You think Bush has clamped down on dissent etc, watch Guilliani.

Somehow he keeps on keeping on.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:39 PM
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6. I agree, if he is nominated
I will be on the streets with protest signs.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 10:02 PM
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7. Adding Video link: (TPMTV)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:13 AM
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11. Rudi and his three wives and his children that can't stand him and
his sorry 9/11 record will never get close to the White House. Bush got in by cheating....but Rudi wouldn't even get there doing that.

Watch McCain rise from the ashes...cause that is what is going to happen.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:24 AM
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12. I agree. Like Kerry in 2004. (But I don't think McCain has Kerry's financial reserves, so maybe not)
(I think Kerry took out a mortgage to finance his Iowa ad blitz.)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:41 AM
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13. It's ok about the money....cause the Fundies haven't been giving
if you compare the campaign dollars given to Dems versus the Repigs.

I think that McCain is going to come out of Iowa doing well.....in particular since the Iraq War is being touted as "practically" won by the MSM for the moment. The GOP haven't totally decided who they are going to back....but "Drop Dead" Fred, Mormon Mitt, and Trice married cross dressing adulterer New York Italian Guiliani won't be the ones they will go with. McCain, when compared to those three is going to be looking awfully good to the Iowa Caucus goers......POW War hero boy scout underdog and all.

The MSM normally "protects" whomever is the eventual nominees (on both sides) by not "overexposing" them. They have been promoting and overexposing those they "hope" will not get the ring....which answers the overexposure of Hillary, Obama and Giuliani. They are not the ones the MSM actually want to end up winning. The media is fickle...and know how to manipulate much better than we give them credit for...which is one of the biggest reasons we ended up in this messed up war.

What us Dems better be careful about is not winding up with some "cute" nominee that don't know shit about National Security. Cause I'm sorry to say this, but if we pick someone that McCain can easily make look like a weakling with no competence on national security, we will be truly F*cked...and we will have, once again, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 08:40 AM
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14. There are Republicans to think about
Yes.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 12:33 PM
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15. Adding link to Part 2 >>> (Rudy & Podhoretz)
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