IF HRC WINS NOMINATION...

[Divine Discontent]

We will see a complete barrage of news stories about the scandals of her husband that will make the Swift Boating of Kerry look like child's play. They are so hell bent in the media, and it's obvious, of making HRC the nominee, so they can prepare the onslaught of negative discussion of their scandals, Bill's scandals, and Administration failures to stop terrorism when they could have they'll say.

Her negatives are already high in states like FL and MI, and I cannot imagine her winning anything but CA, NY, the small NE states in a trouncing we haven't seen since Walter Mondale & Geraldine Ferraro's in 1984.

Surely, I'm not the only one who notices the grandiose way in which the media seems to be touting her as the unstoppable candidate for the presidency. Does anyone actually think they're not going to flip right around in the media come summer, and just run attack story after attack story on this Senator and her husband?

I make stickers against the right wing, but it doesn't take much of a creative mind to think of the shirts and stickers that will be made about Bill getting another shot at being in the Oval Office and how they'll have them everywhere and have discussions on TV highlighting them and asking, "Are they FAIR?", etc.

We need a quality candidate, not one the corporate shillsters are pushing, paying people to talk about, and one that stands up for the workers and NOT the interests big business.

[Adelante]

1. Don't kid yourself

We will see the same with any Democratic nominee. If they don't have something, the will make shit up.

[beberocks]

4. I couldn't agree more! n/t

[OzarkDem]

77. But Hillary has a lot more baggage

than the other candidates. Clinton scandal fatigue will shift into high gear.

[Evergreen Emerald]

80. no she does not have more baggage--and it will be old news

Remember Cleland / Kerry /the little boy who needed health care? Do not kid yourself. The democratic nominee will be hit with a windstorm of lies and distortions and twists with the full help and support of the media, who of course will not provide the same air time to democrats.

[Divine Discontent]

8. Hi WesDem

I can see a much more 'tuning in' and watching it if it's Sen Clinton, because it's Bill. I think America really doesn't want her in office, and I personally know zero people who like her, everyone else is for Obama, Edwards, & Biden (and hopeful Gore would run, mostly).

[Semper_FiFi]

33. "I personally know zero people who like her"

Well, thank you gallup-martyred for that scientific poll.:rofl:

Too bad the real poll numbers don't reflect your own "unbiased" opinion.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/2008_democratic_presidential_primary

[Adelante]

36. Hi themartyred

Well, my sister is for Hillary and so are several of my friends, although I am supporting Obama. Thing about Bill, he has about 20 points added to his approval ratings since being out of office and they were high when he left office. He does nothing to hurt Hillary, but only helps.

[Dawgs]

13. Amazing how you Hillary supporters forget the late nineties.

What they did to Kerry was nothing compared to what they did to Bill and Hillary.

[Semper_FiFi]

17. Yeah, cause they held all the good stuff back for a rainy day....

:rofl:

[rinsd]

25. They destroyed Kerry based on his perceived strength.

They will come at Obama in the same way.

[Semper_FiFi]

29. They will attack EVERYONE in the same way...

Hillary included. But, I believe Hillary is the candidate who is more prepared for such assaults. She has seen it first hand. She has dealt with it. And she has prospered.

[Lucinda]

63. I dunno...I think Kerry destroyed Kerry

because he didn't deal quickly and directly with the smears.

IMO, that's the real lesson that needs to be incorporated this cycle.

I can't see that happening with Clinton. I am not sure Obama or Edwards are as capable of nipping it in the bud, but they have the advantage of hindsight, and seeing how Kerry's record was twisted and insufficiently defended.

[rinsd]

65. Actually his response figures into it.

They figured no one would believe these smears, that Kerry was attack proof of his war service.

They were wrong.

Obama's campaign seems to get the lesson of Kerry as does Edwards campaign. Both (along with Hillary) have shown a desire to hit back and hit back hard when they are attacked.

[Lucinda]

70. To be honest

as smart as I think I am, I still am amazed that it worked against Kerry.
It was about that time that I developed my "Republicans are really Alien Pod People" theory. :)

I think Obamas camp needs more discretion. They seem to attack hard, but without thinking it through.
Edwards camp did well with the haircut comeback, but that is one of a zillion attacks coming the nominees way. One good shot does not a skillset make.

[sniffa]

28. da niLe

[Adelante]

30. Amazing how YOU DECIDE who I am supporting

Wrong-o

[Sparkly]

61. Of course

If your hair doesn't stand up at the sound of her name, causing you to shriek and type insults uncontrollably, then you must be a "supporter."

[Adelante]

69. It certainly is tiresome

It's all about the cheap shots, unfortunately.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. God Bless Kerry...

He's not the Clintons...

When it comes to playing hardball politics Hillary Clinton is like Michael Corleone with a uterus...


Ken Starr,Henry Hyde, Bob Livingston, Newt Gingrich, and Al 'Damato... They all fucked with the Clintons...Where are they now?

[Sparkly]

59. Exactly. nt

[MNDemNY]

2. ..

:popcorn:

[Divine Discontent]

10. love the placement of the popcorn

thank you! ha

[wyldwolf]

3. same post, worded a little different, we see everyday.

[aquart]

5. We don't care. We didn't care at the time. We care less now.

Bill had over 60% approval when the media was after him the hottest. Take your old news ancient scandals and stuff them in an orifice.

What people remember is that for 8 years we all had jobs, money, and hope.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Yes Sir Or Maam

I suspect 75% of Americans would like to go back to the nineties...The other 25% are hopeless Bush* sycophants...

[earthlover]

74. Yes, but Bill has charisma and a sense of warmth....

Hillary pales by comparison on both counts.

[Semper_FiFi]

6. Your'e right. The MSM will not do that to any other Dem candidate....

no, siree.:eyes:

[rinsd]

7. So they are ruthless and unfair but they will let a nominee who isn't Hillary slide?

They call Barack Osama for crissakes!

[SteppingRazor]

9. Meh. I don't think "but the Republicans will attack us!" is a good reason to not vote for Hillary

First, as mentioned above, the GOP will attack any candidate. I'll grant that they have a lot more to use against the Clintons, simply because of a longer career history than the other major candidates, but that shouldn't stop us from voting for whatever candidate we want to, regardless of the ensuing Republican attack.

As for the idea that "the media" wants Hillary to get the nomination so they can turn around and savage her, I reject that notion entirely. I know too many people in the media. There isn't some mass conspiracy among journalists to get a Republican elected.

[Divine Discontent]

15. funny...

when I turn on the news and flip through their offerings, I rarely see a voice of reason. The talking heads are rather conservative, paid by GOP backed corporations and there's a gold mine of negatives to choose from when regarding HRC.

I concur, don't let the media stop you from voting for you who you really feel should be in there - but some here are kidding themselves if they think HRC will not be lambasted 2 or 3x as badly with negative advertising, email, news stories compared to what Sen. Kerry had to fight against.

[paulk]

11. and yet Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating...

of all the arguments against HRC, this is the weakest. Who cares what the 'pukes do?
Their scandels make a 10 year old smear job just yesterday's news.

[cobalt1999]

16. Exactly.

Not only is it old news that didn't work the last time, who CARES what the republicans are going to do? Are people that scared of them? Doesn't matter what they do, they lose big in 2008.

[earthlover]

75. Who cares what the Reps are going to do? Anyone not in denial!

Kerry would have won without the Swiftboaters. Why on earth not try to learn from that lesson?

It's not the just the Reps we need to worry about. Hillary will, btw, unite them against a common foe like noone else could. What we need to worry about is the moderates. By definition, they are not Democrats. The folks who aren't watching the news now...won't until next year about this time....

I think the fact that the memes about Hillary have already been planted doesn't make it easier for her....it makes all the future swiftboating more believable, and confirming peoples doubts about her that they already have.

She can win. However, to dismiss what the Reps could do is a "who cares" attitude is hubris. It was such over-confidense that caused the Titanic to be sunk. They knew about the icebergs. They pretty much didn't care about them because the ship was deemed unsinkable.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. The man was impeached and acquitted, and polls as the 4th greatest president ever

The American people do not give a shit about Clinton era scandals. They are re-runs.

[sniffa]

14. here comes a barrage of poLLs

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

24. Sorry. Some of us have to rely on polls... the Magic 8-Ball is in the shop

[Divine Discontent]

18. I cannot believe how quickly people forget the

hell we went through with the Bill scandal and what the media is capable of 24/7.

[rinsd]

21. I can't believe you think the rw will leave the other candidates alone.

Jesus they just published a completely false rumor accusing Edwards of having an affair last week.

[onehandle]

19. Good thing the GOP lineup is a total joke.

We'll win. Some will win bigger than others and have coattails to expand our hold on Congress.

Edwards has the longest coattails of all.

[Divine Discontent]

22. your first line

I hope comes true, even if we're stuck with her as our nominee, as there's several better, but still - an HRC presidency would be nicer than a Thompson, McCain, etc presidency.

The 2nd line is totally right smack on!

[Clintonista2]

20. Three Things:

#1) No "new smears"- everything that there is to know about Hillary is already known, through the endless attacks of the '90s. They could "make stuff up", but they will do that for ANY democratic candidate, not just Hillary.

#2) About the Bill getting another shot at the Oval Office bumper stickers- as someone else on this thread mentioned, Bill left office with a 65% approval rating. Hell, I'll pay for and personally deliver those kinds of bumper stickers if RWers want them :rofl:

#3) Shouldn't we be HAPPY the right doesn't like Hillary? Why would we want to nominate a candidate that the RW likes?

[Semper_FiFi]

26. Lirwin2, your post is just too logical to make sense...

We need to believe, nay we MUST BELIEVE, that the RW has held back all the juicy good scandals. The RW never felt the need to attack Hillary and Bill thoroughly, they only wanted to hurt them a little bit.:sarcasm:

[Divine Discontent]

39. I hope you won't be eating your sarcasm come next year,

and you're more than welcome to tell me I was wrong if she indeed becomes the nom and doesn't get blown away in a landslide. I hope you're right, I do. I think our human minds tend to put the negative things behind us as much as possible, but the pain of losing 2000 the way we did, and then 04, will not make me forget what they'll have in store yet again come next summer.

Her negatives DRIVE OUT republican voters, the average voter, which DU is NOT, is not in touch with the news and not as liberal. They will come out to vote against her more than any of our candidates.

[Semper_FiFi]

47. Sorry, but I disagree with you 100%.

I'm sure your heart is in the right (no pun intended) place. But, I just will not believe that the MSM and the RW attack machine will not do to others what they will do to Hillary. The notion that we should be looking to the repus to see who is "acceptable" to them is wrong and could only lead to disaster. Yes, they hate Hillary, but they also hate Al Gore (I mention him since it's still "possible" he might toss his hat into the ring) and John Edwards and they are learning to hate Obama and the others. Don't kid yourself. It's not as if they will say to themselves: "Barack is off-limits". Hillary has withstood years and years of attacks. She has survived them AND she has bested them. She is the one most prepared to challenge their attacks. Dredging up old stories will not do her much harm. Those who would believe old stories were NOT going to vote for her in the first (second or third) place.

[Divine Discontent]

31. there's plenty of new smears the msm can either create or dig up that haven't been

pounded into the main stream voter's ears.

one issue that turned the only person away that I knew who supported HRC was the connection to corporate backers and how so many IT and other technical jobs have went to India and she's got big backers in that community and country, and since this lady lost her good paying job through the disappearance of jobs in the late 90's through that Administration mistake, once she became educated on the subject of how & why it happened, she blames Hillary as being in cahoots with the rich and not the workers.

There's plenty more scandals or drudging up of old issues they could bring up and harm our chances of recapturing the White House. Fortunately, the GOP has pretty weak candidates this time.

How many people do you all know who back her, compared to those who don't? I'm talking over 30 people I know personally who like our other candidates and zero for Hillary, that's amazing to me.

[Semper_FiFi]

37. I know at least 75 million people who support her.

And I don't personally know anyone who is opposed to her. I know more people. I win. Game over.:evilgrin:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Thirty People In A Nation Of Nearly 300,000,000 People

I see math isn't your forte and your logic isn't much better...

[earthlover]

83. But the right DOES LIKE the idea of Hillary being NOMINATED...

Hillary does two things for them....1) she is the one candidate who can energize their base the most. So far, they have been a bit scattered. But they love to hate Hillary. Hillary on the ticket will drive them to the polls in record numbers. 2) since she is about as conservative as anyone can be and still call herself a Democrat, the Reps won't have much to fear if she is elected. She is "almost" a Republican anyway. If they want a war in Iraq she goes along. If they want a war in Iran...well, she already has sounded pretty hawkish about that!

I would support Hillary in the general....much the same way I would rather die from a heart attack than die from cancer.

[durrrty libby]

23. blah..blah..blah...broken record...scared of big bad repukes

whose party is a crumbling mess. Dems need to stop being dumb ass wusses.It's sickening


Too bad you haven't been paying attention to the wonderful accomplishments of Bill Clinton

Check out www.mycommitment.org and catch up

[MGKrebs]

27. You're probably right. They wouldn't dare say that

Edwards ancestors fucked their slaves. Or that Obama is addicted to Wellbutrin. Or that Elizabeth is faking her cancer. Or that Michelle didn't pay her taxes in the 90's.

That would be just TOO MUCH.

[Divine Discontent]

35. you're talking Michael Savage themed lies

I'm talking slick discussions aimed at discrediting her and her husband's policies on MSM shows. I think it's naive to think that they're not pushing for her in the media with the stories we've seen the past year, and it's clear they're going to be attack dogs, worse so, than they were in 04.

[MGKrebs]

45. How do you know they're lies?

Hmmm?

Don't even start with policies. Edwards is a completely different person that he was as a Senator. That may look good to some progressives, but it ain't going to look too good on Main Street. And to talking heads, Obama looks like he's never had a real job. Community organizing? Does Soccer Mom think that's a job? A Black guy from a mixed-race marriage in Chicago doing community organizing? You can try to keep them talking about "policy" if you want, but I'm here to tell you; they won't. And for Obama, there is no choice but for them to attack him personally, there is no historical policy to judge him by.

[rinsd]

46. So they would be incapable of slick discussions aimed at other Democrats policies?

Do you have any idea who these people are? You make them out as the baddest of the bad and then pretend they will leave the other candidates alone. Its insanity given the attacks they have already launched on Edwards and Obama.

[DinahMoeHum]

32. While I'm not that crazy about HRC, she'll still be a thousand times better

than any Republikkkan candidate for POTUS.

She and Bill take shit thrown at them and send it flying right back.

:kick:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Bob Livingston, Ken Starr,Al D'amato And Newt Gingrich

They all fucked with the Clintons and got their asses kicked...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. BAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA

"Does anyone actually think they're not going to flip right around in the media come summer, and just run attack story after attack story on this Senator and her husband?"



How sweet it is: Respect for Clinton rebounds among Americans
By DeWayne Wickham
Who would have thought it? Some two years after he left office hounded by right-wing detractors and stained by his affair with Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton now ranks as this nation's third best chief executive, according to a recent CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.
Only Abraham Lincoln (chosen by 15%) and John F. Kennedy (13%) finished ahead of Clinton (11%) in the April poll, which asked Americans who was "the greatest" president. George W. Bush managed to tie Clinton for third place.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/2003-05-26-wickham_x.htm



At this point, however, the former president is seen in favorable terms. Two-thirds of Americans said they approve of the job he did while he was in office -- virtually the reverse of President Bush's current approval rating, which stands at 33 percent. Clinton remains overwhelmingly popular among Democrats, and 63 percent of independents and even a third of Republicans also gave him positive marks.

Many Republicans have said that they are eager to run a general-election campaign against Hillary Clinton, describing her as a highly polarizing candidate who would unite and energize the opposition. But, as of now, Clinton appears to be no more polarizing than other leading Democratic contenders. Nor is there a potential Republican nominee who appears significantly less polarizing.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/03/AR2007100302036.html?hpid=topnews

[Divine Discontent]

42. thanks for making my point...

"Many Republicans have said that they are eager to run a general-election campaign against Hillary Clinton, describing her as a highly polarizing candidate who would unite and energize the opposition. But, as of now, Clinton appears to be no more polarizing than other leading Democratic contenders. Nor is there a potential Republican nominee who appears significantly less polarizing.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20..."


This comes from the MSM. They're telling us now that Hillary is not as polarizing, see, our polls show so! And yet, standing in LINE yesterday with 10 men at a business, one brought up Hillary in front of me, to another guy, and the negative talk about her was AMAZING TO HEAR! They cannot stand her and they will vote because of her....

Let me say, I was less than 1% wrong on the seats we'd win in the 06 election, six months before it happened when I read no where what I was suggesting, and was told I was too hopeful, because we wouldn't win the senate majority. I also know NO one in my line of relatives (we're all Dems) who like HRC as our candidate or any friends or coworkers who want her, and I hear more negative talk about HRC than anyone of our other candidates, yesterday was a great example. I feel I have a good idea of what's going on is my point - and we're gonna be horribly sorry if she's our nominee.

I appreciate the mature discussion. Have a good day!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Who Cares What Your Buddies Think?

My Rethuglican boss told me in 1994 that he never met anybody that voted for Bill Clinton!!!When Hillary is done with The Ghoul he'll feel like Abner Louima after his boys stuck a plunger up his ass...

If you want to sleep with the lights on because you're scared of the Rethuglicans that's your perogative...I'm not...


on edit- I am having a great day because I live without fear...Stand up straight...Take the "kick me sign" off your ass and be proud you're a Democrat...

[FrenchieCat]

43. I don't buy this theory, in the sense that Hillary is actually more impervious

than the other Dems running.....to GOP attacks....simply because she has been attacked so much in the past, that it is now quite the joke (on the GOP) and actually will end up backfiring and making the GOP appear mean and petty, and serve to make Hillary look like a victim that needs protection; the underdog...which will increase sympathy in her favor, and raise her likeability factor...(e.g., They dug out so much dirt on Bill Clinton in '92 with Flowers and such....until folks got tired of that shit and elected Bill anyways!)

And so, unlike the other candidates, who have yet to be brutally attacked as the Clintons have, the voting public know quite well that the GOP will be relentless against Hillary. The problem for the GOP is just that; the Voting Public have come to "expect" attacks on Hillary Clinton...and so the impact of such attacks will not be what the GOP might be hoping for. Kinda of like the public having received an inoculation shot against a virus......and so the virus is not able to penetrate.

on the other hand, when the GOP decide to go after either Obama or Edwards, the impact of their attacks will be greater....because there has not been any past major inoculation on these candidates....and the voting public will find it easier to "buy" whatever attacks will come forth....since they don't "know" these candidates as they are not as defined as Sen. Clinton.

It reminds me of the "Cry Wolf" analogy. The GOP have attacked the Clintons so often, until a lot of what they will say will simply be discounted and ignored (which is exactly why Bill Clinton's approval stayed as high as they did during the impeachment proceedings).

This, my friends, gives Hillary Clinton an advantage in the General Election....NOT a disadvantage.

Couple that with the fact that she would be the first woman running for the office in the GE, and you can conclude that the Clinton campaign will have a lot of ammunition to fight against GOP attacks. In fact, they will be able to write off a whole lot of attacks by simply stating ..."the powers that be aka old White Men are running scared at the thought of a woman in the White House".

So yes...the GOP will certainly make their attempts to "attack" Hillary....but the real question is, will it have the intended impact that they would wish? I personally do not think so....because if politics were that predictable, Bush would not be serving a second term as we speak, and the Iraq War would not have ever started.

[earthlover]

85. I wish I could agree

But I don't see it that way. The memes about Hillary have already been planted. So when the time is right they will sprout forth and grow roots.

One of the memes that have been planted about Hillary is that she is cold and calculating and condescending. So, if Hillary continues...for example....to do that "laugh thing" in response to difficult questions....she will likely be viewed as smug, condescending and arrogant, whereas without the meme already being there, her "laugh" might not hurt her so much.

I agree that the right will try to throw mud at whomever is our nominee. But, with Hillary, she is too big a target. We have not seen yet the barrage of shit they are going to throw at her, we would be foolish to assume that it will be limited to what they have done in the past, and we have yet to see how she will react. This is, after all, her first election on a national stage instead of a Democratic State.

The Reps are going to, as they always do, try to paint the Dem nominee as being smug, elitist, liberal, out of touch with the average Joe/Jane, and weak on terrorism. It is going to take more than fighting back to dispel this barrage. It is going to take charm, charisma, and a personality that connects with the average Joe/Jane. Hillary I think can hold her own on the defense issue. But she comes off cold personality-wise and she has hardly any charisma. It is not enough to fight back. Can she connect with the average Joe/Jane or will she be painted as smug, cold, calculating and elitist?

So far, I am worried.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Every Day I Tell Myself I Am Going To Be A Kinder And Gentler Poster

And inflammatory detritus like this is posted... I can see why some of the Clinton supporters are such "hard asses"...

[MGKrebs]

52. lol, me too.

[durrrty libby]

73. Yes indeedy..I say that too and believe me, I have it dialed way down

[BigDDem]

49. What?? Hillary will be attacked if she wins nomination??

Wow, thanks for the notice.
Man, the Clintons know nothing about being attacked, hopefully
she can stand up to it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. It Was The Political Environment That Killed Mondale

Jesus Christ wasn't going to beat Reagan in 1984 just as he wouldn't have beat FDR in 32, 36, 40, and 44 ,Ike in 52 and 56, Johnson in 64, Nixon in 72, and Clinton in 96...

[LanternWaste]

53. It's not anything unique to her....

The same will happen regardless of which Democrat wins the party nomination. It's not anything unique to her only. Whoever wins the nomination will get swift boated-- and if anyone thinks she's the only prime target out there, they're sorely underestimating the machinations of the RNC machine...

[Rowdyboy]

54. My God! You mean she'd be attacked? Wow, we better nominate Lieberman to keep the Republicans

happy. Otherwise they'll say ugly things about our nominee and be hurtful to us.

Grow a spine. I'm voting for Edwards, but if she wins the nomination, fuck what a bunch of Republicans THINK, SAY OR DO! If she is the nominee of MY party then she has MY support.

You can speak for yourself and your "buddies".

[onenote]

55. how do you explain clinton's standing in the polls

She seems to be doing pretty well against the repubs. http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

Do you think that all of those people who are indicating a preference for clinton don't remember anything about the 1990s? Was there some mind erase moment that we all forgot about? Yes there will be an attempt to swift boat clinton, just as there would be an attempt to swift boat obama or edwards or any other Democratic nominee. Its how the game is played these days.

[Perry Logan]

56. This argument only flies for people who are scared shitless of Republicans.

Anti-Hillarites certainly love to repeat themselves.

[Nimrod2005]

57. I am voting against her becasue I don't want to see it...

Been there done that...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. No...Because You Fear The Repukes...

Stand up straight...Take the "kick me sign" off your ass and be proud you're a Democrat...

[Nimrod2005]

60. What are you talking about? I plan to vote against her in the primaries

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. I'm Trying To Stiffen Your Resolve

One day you will thank me...

[Nimrod2005]

64. Lol, ok

:toast:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. PEACE

DSB

[Forkboy]

84. But one of the arguments for voting for Hillary is the SCOTUS.

Which is using the fear of a Repub's chance to select a judge to motivate the vote.So should we be scared of them or not? :shrug:

[MGKrebs]

87. It's a reason I might be inclined to vote for her.

I think she may be able to take on the VRWC and win. Not sure anyone else running can. What an epic battle! A rematch! If the VRWC loses again, maybe they will retreat to their Scaife-owned fundamentalist trailer parks where they can masturbate and try to ban Mexicans and heal themselves by touching their TV in relative privacy.

[weeve]

67. Spot on !!

Corporate Media's biggest fear is a Gore presidency. That've been pimping HRC for years now. Not only will she lose the General, but will turn many Congressional seats back to the Republicans. The right's base will be energized ... the left's deflated ( speaking personally ). I'm thinking Hillary may have been correct about the vast Right Wing Conspiracy. Unfortunately, it looks like she opted for the old adage, "If you can't beat 'em ... join 'em ! "

No thank you. I'm a TRUE Democrat , and one who realizes that Hillary is the candidtae that the conservatives WANT/NEED to be the nominee. Hence, I'm for ... anyone else ( but especially passionate for GORE !! )

[ChiciB1]

68. While I Agree With You & Have Posted The Very Same Thing A Very

long time ago, I find it's USELESS to point this out here at DU! All it seems to do is cause others to attack you and I wonder if it's even WORTH wasting your time because of this.

And I do agree ANY candidate will be attacked by the Repukes, but do feel that Hillary Clinton is going to be one they will take a certain amount of GLEE when they do it.

Good Luck...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. It's Unbelievable That Some Dems Would Resent An Attack On One Of Their Own With Talking Points From

Sean Inanity's "Stop Hillary Express"...


:sarcasm:

[Chulanowa]

72. And yet they still had to cheat in Ohio and New Mexico to win '04

The people of this country aren't stupid. They can separate fact from fiction.

[MethuenProgressive]

76. eh.

Just another 'don't support her cuz it might be hard' post...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. "The Stop Hillary Express"

Sean Hannity wants you:


http://elwoodin.wordpress.com/2007/02/26/shrillary-hillary-helping-sean-with-his-stop-hillary-express/


:sarcasm:

[ileus]

79. None of it will stick, Hillary is Prez in 2009 no matter what.

[Divine Discontent]

81. this is the talking point on MSM TV shows 24/7

"None of it will stick, Hillary is Prez in 2009 no matter what."



Thank you very much for speaking it.

[earthlover]

86. None of the icebergs will damage the hull....the Titanic is unsinkable!

No matter what?

Wow. How much did you pay for your crystal ball?

[yodermon]

82. I completely disagree. She is the Corporate Dem, so,

the Corporations, including the media cartel, will dampen down the negative stores just enough, and promote the positives just enough to allow her to win.

The Media is more powerful than the right wing and the republicans. The Corporations have decided that the Republican party is now damaged goods, and is no longer profitable.

They control the message, they control the tone, they control public perceptions. If they decide that HRC should be president, then she SHALL be president.

[redqueen]

88. Sure... they'll do as much as they can to destroy the nominee...

whoever the nominee is.