Is delivering their home state for the ticket no longer expected of a VP pick?

[cleveramerican]

Since forever this has been seen as the minimum requirement.
Has this changed?
What is the new minimum requirement?

[saltpoint]

1. No longer a requirement.

Other factors are also involved.

[cleveramerican]

2. name some

[saltpoint]

3. Ideological appeal to either 1) disparate subcultures likely to vote in

a general election or 2) demographic punch among self-described independents, especially in swing states; 3) voters' perception of the nominee's overall public service record or perceived impact on current or long-standing 'priority issues'; 4) fund-raising allure to large donors; 5) (post-Kennedy) mediagenic draw; 6) representation of given and particular fields of expertise -- such as Al Gore's inclination toward environmental issues, or Jack Kemp's pro-Afro American bent, etc.; and 7) depth of appeal as presiding officer to the Senate, through which a sitting president's initiatives must pass to become law... and to become history.

[truebrit71]

4. Did Gore carry his home state when he won in 2000? I recall that he didn't...

Your anti-Edwards posts are becoming tiresome...

[cleveramerican]

7. its a bit of a stretch to call this anti-Edwards.

It doesn't even refer to him in any way.

[truebrit71]

9. So which candidate that was a former VP pick are you referring to?

:shrug:

[cleveramerican]

11. Any and all of them

[SaveElmer]

27. No he didn't...

And there hasn't been a winning candidate that has not won his home stat since James K. Polk I think...

[truebrit71]

5. Dupe.

Delete...

[saltpoint]

6. Sadly, he got his ass kicked. He also lost in Ohio after conceding the

state to the Republicans. He just shut down the shop and walked off, spending the bucks elsewhere, and then only lost the state by 3.4%.

[MonkeyFunk]

8. It hasn't been a requirement since 2004

[cleveramerican]

10. Maybe we should re-introduce it as a baseline contribution.

[saltpoint]

13. Or, better yet, maybe you could let up on the Edwards bashing threads.

People might begin to think of you as one-dimensional.

[cleveramerican]

14. I don't see this as bashing anybody

what do you expect the VP pick to bring to the ticket is the discussion I'm going for here.
This is not intended to bash Edwards, you'll just have to take my word for it.


You seem overly sensitive.

[saltpoint]

15. Can't imagine why anyone on this earth would think you might be

anti-Edwards.

Whatever could have come over me to reach such a conclusion?

[cleveramerican]

16. Simple question.

do you think it is good if the VP pick delivers their home state for the ticket?
Or: do you think this is an old fashioned idea that is no longer a consideration?

I like Edwards, but the increasingly desperate tone of his supporters is worrisome.

[saltpoint]

17. I will hold faithfully to the hope that your next posts will include

at least one poem each of Adrienne Rich and W. B. Yeats, and -- if the DU community is truly lucky -- a zesty holiday recipe.

[AdHocSolver]

21. Kerry lost the South in 2004 because he never seriously campaigned there.

Kerry ran the show based on the assumption, widely held by those who anointed him the Democratic candidate, that "anybody can beat Bush/Cheney". The guiding principle of presidential candidates that is used in selecting a vice-presidential running mate is the willingness of the v-p candidate to stay on a short leash and let the presidential candidate run the show.

If Kerry hadn't written off the South as well as other "red" states, he might have won some more states and made Ohio irrelevant, so that the Republicans could not have stolen the election in 2004.

Edwards grew up in the South and is not "afraid" to campaign there. With many Southerners unhappy with the Republicans, Edwards has an opportunity, not available in 2004, to win some Southern states.

Clinton, on the other hand, looks poised to make the same assumptions, and the same mistakes, made by Kerry in 2004. This, in addition to the fact that she is polarizing to the right of the political spectrum, and you have the makings of another stolen election by Republicans in 2008.

Any "desperation", as you put it, on the part of Edwards supporters is that we see the Democrats making the same mistakes in 2008 that they made in 2004, and making another eight years of Republican governance possible. This country won't survive as a great country if that happens.

[cleveramerican]

26. Are these the same states he couldn't win in '04?

or maybe if he had delivered North Carolina, If he had somehow been able to persuade his friends and neighbors, the people that know him best, to support him, things would look brighter for him now.

He's a nice guy who will never be president.I'd start getting used to the idea.

[illinoisprogressive]

12. I think it is now being able to get along with each other. work together

[Hippo_Tron]

19. One of my professors said the same thing and I'm leaning toward agreement

I think we're actually getting the point where candidates want a governing partner not a "ticket balancer" particularly since very few people vote for the VP.

[last_texas_dem]

18. I think it's a simplification to say this has always been an expectation

of a VP pick. Certainly there are some obvious examples of a VP being chosen largely for the reason (Kennedy picking LBJ in '60), but let's consider some recent to fairly modern elections.

Bush ran w/ Cheney in '00 and '04- WY was already solidly in the "R" column
Gore ran w/ Lieberman in '00- CT was already solidly in the "D" column
Dole ran w/ Kemp in '96- it's doubtful he believed this choice would cause NY to go his way
Dukakis ran w/ Bentsen in '88- it's doubtful he thought this pick would cause him to carry his opponent's (adopted) "home" state of TX
Bush ran w/ Quayle in '88- was there any chance Indiana wasn't going to vote for the "R"?
Carter ran w/ Mondale in '76 and '80- I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that MN was considered to be a pretty solidly "blue" state at that time, and not the light-blue swing state it is today
Ford ran w/ Dole in '76- was he worried about Kansas not going for the "R"?

Certainly there are some examples that come to mind in which a VP pick may have been in order to appeal to a certain state. Clinton's pick of Gore as VP may have been to help to carry TN, but there's a chance Clinton would have carried it anyway, considering he managed to win AR, LA, GA ('92), and FL ('96) in the South. And Reagan's pick of Bush, Sr., may have been to appeal to the Repugs' now-almost-nonexistent Northeastern wing (though more likely it was to balance his right-wing appeal with a moderate). I just don't believe the whole idea that VP's are picked to carry a particular "swing" state really happens as often as it is reputed to, particularly in considering recent elections. If the practice is so common, why do VP picks so rarely come from true "swing" states? It seems to me that there are other factors that play a larger role in the selection process.

[XemaSab]

22. I remember Clinton's pick of Gore was seen as a daring choice

because they're both Southerners.

It's been a while, but I remember some pouting and moaning that Gore didn't balance the ticket. :P

[Hippo_Tron]

20. Spiro Agnew didn't deliver Maryland for Nixon... Wallace didn't deliver Iowa for Roosevelt

It never was a minimum requirement. There was just an expectation that it could possibly make the ticket competitive in a state they would not otherwise compete in.

[cleveramerican]

23. So Nixon is the new model VP?

I think you only get one bite of this apple, from this party, in the 21st century.

[Hippo_Tron]

24. No, I wasn't talking about VP Nixon I was talking about VP Agnew and VP Wallace

[skipos]

25. We should always consider a VPs ability to make their purple or red state blue

VPs typically get a @5% boost in their home state. Presidential candidates usually get @10% boost from their homestate. If Gore, Lieberman, Kerry or Edwards was from Ohio or Florida, they'd be sitting in the Whitehouse right now.

The map here shows you what states would be great to have on the ticket.
http://electoral-vote.com/
OH and FL would be huge, but AR, VA, MO, etc would be nice too.