Obama's decision to do a "gospel tour" with anti-gay fundies makes you feel...

[Clintonista2]

Poll question: Obama's decision to do a "gospel tour" with anti-gay fundies makes you feel...

[rwheeler31]

1. Sick.

[Mojambo]

2. Concerned.

If he continues with the tour (and I don't think he should) I'd like to see him step up during it and condemn the bigots he's sharing the stage with. That would impress me.

[illinoisprogressive]

3. I think it's funny you are passing judgment concidering the shakedown in chinatown by Hillary....

[alteredstate]

4. Don't forget Hillary's "going rural" event with the lobbyists from Monsanto!

[Cameron27]

5. There was no shakedown in Chinatown

but lots of race baiting and innuendo:

"The system is awash in cash, something that we all often talk about and hate for obvious reasons. We're also talking about $50 million in contributions. But when Clinton's campaign has found donations that smell they give the money back. However, this immigrant slandering fetish of reporters, especially where Clinton is concerned, is revealing more about the news organizations than the candidate. Clinton has lots of money. She's getting it from every legal means she can. Politics, American style. Alert the media. Seriously, someone alert the media and while you're at it send a memo to her opponents. There were no laws being broken. The LA Times did a sloppy hit job complete with racist overtones and everyone picked it up with glee. Just another day in the '08 primary cycle, with Clinton in the target zone."

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[durrrty libby]

6. Just practice saying Madam President. It will be fun

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[mitchtv]

10. off topic

[LeftCoast]

33. But Mom! Billy does it too!

"Do not!"

"Do too!"

:eyes:

[William769]

38. What does that have to do with Homophobia?

[Golden Raisin]

7. He has just proved to me that

he's nothing more than a standard-issue, professional "pol" willing to do anything and associate with anyone for a vote. If they want my vote I don't want my elected officials snuggling up with ANY religion, nor lending credence/respectability to these gayness-can-be-"cured" lunatics. Obama hit a double-header of shit with this one.

[monktonman]

8. How will we ever convince them to change their minds...

if we dont convince them to change their minds?
Jesus Christ, man of peace, invited anyone who would listen.
He didnt say "your an asshole so I'm not gonna talk to you."

How can the party continue to grow ever larger, unless we reach out
to people we dont agree with. Maybe some of these people will go to
one of these gospel shows and walk away realizing the dems arent the devils they're
preachers have been telling them about. Maybe then, they will begin to change the way they
think.

Everyone has heard of these medrassa's in the muslim world. The only way they are
able to thrive is through isolation. These boys go to these schools and have
hate pounded into their head 24/365. The leaders of these schools are smart
enough to realize that if any of these young men ever see's a television
or ventures outside the medrassa, or outside their control, they will see how phoney
radical Islam really is. They will realize that their isnt a jew hiding behind
every tree, waiting to kill them. Isolation is the only way these radical Islamic
teachers are able to so thoroughly fuck these kids heads up.

Its no different with the American fundies. Same deal, church on sunday, adult group
on monday, bible study on wednsday, youth group on thursday, 700 club on TV etc. They are
totally surrounded by the message of hate that is being foce fed to them by their leaders.

Maybe Obamas goal is to allow them to see something different. To allow them to hear a message
that they wouldnt otherwise be able to hear.
If anything, I feel sorry for most of these people. Their minds are being held captive
by the few leaders the have and their freedom is being stolen while their pockets
are being emptied.

If you agree with the above, and still dont like the idea,then fine. I say at least the guy is reaching out.
Or is it that you just dont trust him to know what he's doing?

[Clintonista2]

24. Obama is making groups like this appear legitimate

By your logic, the candidates should hang out with Fred Phelps and the KKK, after all, "how else will we be able to reach them?"

[monktonman]

26. Your stretching that a bit

But I could see how some would be concerned.
Although I dont plan on voting for him, I trust the guy
enough to feel like he knows what he's doing and he has the best intentions.

By the way, going by your logic, I guess Rupert Murdoch is an OK guy as well?

[Clintonista2]

30. How is that "my logic"? "My logic" is the opposite of that

I'm saying candidates SHOULD NOT be hanging out with people like this. You're saying they should, because "how else can we reach them?"

[jefferson_dem]

9. Loaded question much?

Reminds me of those FauxNews "questions"...

"How bad for America are the Democrats?" - "Why is Obama not "black enough"?"

[Goblinmonger]

11. What exactly does he have to do

in his "outreach" to the religious to make you just a tad bit concerned about what he was doing?

[monktonman]

14. So tell me, exactly what IS he doing?

you seem to know, so elaborate.

[Goblinmonger]

16. Hosting an event

at which he has asked a homophobic fundie prick to sing. It gets more and more clear the lengths he will go to. He needs to stop it.

[monktonman]

19. I'm not a big Bon Jovi fan but....

A guy that I used to work with is.
I would always bust his balls about his choice of music until one day he got pissed
and let me have it.
He explained how he realizes that Bon Jovi was girl music but if you want to meet
girls, you gotta go where the girls are. He was sayin how these girls would go to
the concert and get all fired up by watching Cute John Bonjovi dance around in his
skin tight pants. After the show was over, these same girls would be so frickin horny
they'd fuck even him. (he was not the most attractive due after all) They wouldn't care
they'd just want to fuck somebody.
So hear we have this homophobic, fundie prick singing his little tune, inspiring and
messaging the great dumbed-down masses of idiot fundies douchbags and in walks Burak Obama
preaching a message of peace and hope. Keep in mind these people will believe anything, anyone
tells them as long as its in the correct setting.
After the show is over, some of these people go home and say to themselves "wow, that
Obama guy was pretty dreamy. I'd like to find out more."
Cue the phone banks, cue the web sights, etc.
While they are pouring over all this new information their own leaders would never
allow them to see, their small impressionable fundie minds are being worked on.
Changed from the inside out.

If these people come to see this homophobic, fundie prick and go home with Obama instead,
so be it.
If you ask me, I think its frickin genius.

Oh and dont get me started on the company some other candidates keep. puh-leeze.

[Goblinmonger]

34. Big problem with

your theory, Pollyanna. Obama ain't speaking there. He's just "hosting" it and the money goes to his campaign. I seriously doubt any minds will be changed re: homophobia.

And this is not Obama bashing. I hate the religious cuddling Hilary is doing, too.

[jefferson_dem]

17. I have absolutely no problem with any form of "outreach" to any group ..

provided the goal is to "unite" behind a progressive policy agenda.

If the message were to become exlusivist and/or the mission were to become geared toward using the government to promote any particular faith tradition, or faith in general, I would have a problem.

When exactly might you become a tad more tolerant of other Americans who happen to hold and express a religious faith commitment?

[Clintonista2]

23. Sorry, but I can't tolerate intolerance

Anti-gay fundies such as those Obama is hanging out with are no better than white power groups.

[jefferson_dem]

25. No need to apologize.

I don't and won't tolerate intolerance either.

Perhaps you gleaned that from the contents of my message that you just replied to.

[Goblinmonger]

32. I don't have a problem with people of faith

don't jump to the evil atheist meme.

Here's what I have a problem with:
1. Religion becoming part of the government which needs to be secular (Constitution and all that).
2. Right-wing fundie asshats
3. Democrats who are trying to get votes by courting #2

I don't give a shit what religion Obama or anyone else belongs to. Stop making that religion part of the government and stop courting the asshats (which, as history has shown us, will lead to that asshat religion being part of the government).

Do you have tolerance for the fundies? Are you OK with them getting their beliefs into the government (which they want to do and are working hard to accomplish)?

Or do you somehow think that Obama funding this program will magically turn the homophobic singer and followers into progressives? Yeah, I bet that will happen.

[Grandrose]

22. So true.....

African American and Obama supporter on DU is quite the challenge these days!
The Repubs must really enjoy how Democrats practice character assassination on one of the most loyal voters of their party, because of out reach to the gospel music community!
Makes me really sad!:(

[Goblinmonger]

12. Kind of funny

that a week ago, the atheists here were being called all kinds of crazy for thinking Obama was snuggling up with the wrong crown and now, hey, well lookie, lookie, he's going even further.

[Cameron27]

15. Exactly

[cuke]

39. But now, even non-atheists are concerned

That's significant

[Goblinmonger]

41. Double-edged sword for me

Yes, I am glad that non-atheists are now concerned about church/state issues. But, why does it have to get so damned obvious for that to happen. And why do fellow progressives have to dismiss what atheists have to say until it is glaring? Why was I a giant shithead on DU for calling out Obama's "Kingdom on earth" BS a week or two ago? Why hasn't anyone said, "Oh, you were right. Sorry for being a prick to you"?

[mitchtv]

13. sad really, I don't want to believe he will hang

with these types, I'm hoping he will have a sista soldja moment. But healways seemed a little to ready to compromise.

[Glorfindel]

18. Very sad indeed - heartbroken, even

If he doesn't understand what a slap in the face his actions constitute...well, I'm just incoherent about it. When is someone - ANYONE - in a position of influence or authority in this poor, sick country going to have a Jimmy Carter moment and say, in the face of incredible opposition, even at the risk of political suicide, "I say to you that the time for discrimination against homosexuals is over"? (Not an exact quote, of course, and Carter said it about racial discrimation, but Obama should understand how much it hurts for him to consort with these monsters.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. He Said It Upon Becoming Governor Of Georgia

"I say to you quite frankly that the time for racial discrimination is over."

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. Other. I don't have a reason to think he knowingly approved it, so

unless that was confirmed (doubtful) it would only affect my opinion of his campaign, not him personally.

It suggests that some of his supporters (the event organizers) are coming from someplace I'm not comfortable with, but everyone has some bad supporters.

[dsc]

21. I simply can't express both the disappointment and the anger

at this development. Obama ought to know better. This is just plain wrong.

[sandnsea]

27. As opposed to Hillary and the right wing senate prayer group

Who actually write the anti-gay laws. What a bunch of lying hypocrites.

[IndianaGreen]

29. Hillary prays with Brownback and others of his ilk

She couldn't form a progressive prayer group, instead she joined in prayer people that think very much like her as far as defending the status quo.

[Goblinmonger]

35. Yeah, I hate that, too.

So do you have the onions to condemn both, or just the one you don't like.

[cuke]

40. Just the one they don't like

[Vickers]

31. That does it! I'm voting for Clinton.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[KingFlorez]

36. They are just singers and some of them are very popular

Of all of them, I've only heard Donnie McClurkin make even borderline fundamentalist statements, I'd hardly label the rest of them as fundies. These singers are very popular with some of the people Obama needs to vote for him and it's a smart idea to tour with them. It's not like he's touring with Dobson and Pat Robertson. This is not that serious.

[LWolf]

37. unsurprised. It fits my gut instinct. n/t