If Obama is finished, who is the Hillary Alternative?

[JCMach1]

It seems to me like Obama might be done for... sure he has money, but the first 'fresh face' impressions of the guy have been made... Face it, his campaign is floundering.

Given that, who can step-up to the plate as the Hillary alternative?


FYI: Saying this as a true undecided at the moment...

[luckyleftyme2]

1. well one thing is for sure

they have no one on the right that can compete.

[mikehiggins]

2. GOre or Edwards

I would have said Clark but he is now in the HRC camp.

[JTFrog]

17. Or both!

[Silence Dogood]

3. Edwards was my second pick

but I gave Obama my donations and haven't paid my electric bill yet. I heard Edwards is broke and doesn't have the money to run in the general. Maybe he should get off his high horse and run fundraisers like everyone else.

[ileus]

7. I'm sure there some company that needs sued.

[surfermaw]

22. You you mean like the Jessica Lackey case

When Edwards sued a company that had faulty works that sucked the insides of a small girl out, yes he did win that case, when the young lawyer was offered on hundred thousand dollars to settle he said no, you see he had done his job he knew that this wasn't the first case against the company, Every seat in the house was filled with other lawyers and officials to see the young Edwards go head to toe with the guilty party, and what do you know , Edwards did the job brought home enough money for the poor parents of a little girl that is now at home with her parents taking care of her, and still being fed , the last I read at least five hours a night by a feeding tube, there would have been no way these parents could have kelp the child at home, she would have been probably put into and instution for care. Go John Boy and Jo..what a team the JJ would make

[surfermaw]

15. You had better become more informed

While Oboma and Hillary have been out throwing money into advertising in Iowa, John Edwars was reported to have more money in the bank to advertise in Iowa in the last week...Looks like John Boy knows how to handle his money.

[liberal N proud]

4. Edwards is my first pick

I like the way he says what he means and doesn't talk for hours and still says nothing.

[Sandaasu]

5. Edwards for me

I was wobbly between Edwards and Obama for some time, and when I had finally tilted over and was just about ready to send the latter a donation, he went and crossed a bright line while trying to pander to the fundies.

Thankfully, I liked Edwards nearly as much anyway, so I'll just shrug and mosey over to that camp.

[ileus]

6. There is no alternative to Hillary....never has been.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. The Only Democat I Am Confident Can Beat A Repug In 08 Is Gore And Clinton

Since I am a Democrat if there is credible evidence Hillary Clinton is faltering I will switch my support to Al Gore...

Hunches are funny things...I remember in 1992 after Clinton became inevitable but before he was actually nominated there was lots of hand wringing in the party that Clinton couldn't win and the party needed a savior to rescue it from another sure defeat...That savior was Lloyd Bentsen...Things have a funny way of working out...That's why I'm suspicious of hunches or "gut reactions"...

[babylonsister]

9. I hadn't heard Obama was finished-news to me. nt

[MH1]

10. Richardson.

http://www.iowaindependent.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1312

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/19/184344/54

I'm not sure I agree with your premise, though. Obama still looks like a strong candidate to me.

[seasat]

47. I'll second your vote for Richardson and your opinion on Obama

Richardson has remarkably improved in his speaking and interview skills. I think his early flubs turned off a lot of folks but they ought to give him a second look. He's got a record of getting his agenda through legislatures that is unmatched by any of the candidates. Beginning with his leadership role as deputy whip in congress, he gets legislation through without having to dilute too much from it's original intent. With the current dysfunctional congress, he'd make a huge difference in getting our agenda passed.

Obama is the candidate running closest to Hillary in all the polls. He also has one of the biggest war chests to launch an ad blitz. Heck, I may vote for him in my meaningless Florida primary if Richardson falls too low in the earlier contests. He's my second choice and I can't see any reason to write him off because of a campaign gaffe.

[sundancekid]

11. save your funeral money ... you apparently haven't been to Iowa or NH

and quit spreading the Mark Twain line: "reports of my death are highly exagerrated"

answer to your question about alternative?????? ANYBODY but BILLARY


if hillary is nominated, say hello to Preznut Ghouliani

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Hillary Will Rip Her A New Face Which Is Better Than The Face She Has, Ergo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

[ruggerson]

42. There are a WHOLE mess more gay dems than homophobic Dems in NH

ever been there?

[Grandrose]

13. All the votes have been counted?

Oh...that's right, nobody has cast a vote yet!!! Don't count your chickens!:think:

[surfermaw]

14. None other than John Edwards---Biden

This is the ticket my friends...read it and let it soak in....the red states will vote for Edwards and Joe Biden, or Edwards and Gore. It looks as if Gore isn't going to get in, wouldn't a Gore Edwards ticket be the same thing some democrats have been begging for. Remember the two southern boys taking the election, and then the lead on the ticket leaving office with a 67 favorable rating

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. How Many Red States Did Edwards Bring To The Table For Kerry In 04?

Kerry-Edwards actually did worse in North Carolina in 04 than Gore-Lieberman ...

[surfermaw]

18. Better inform your self of N.C. Trends

North Carolina , Jesse Helms country, most ALWAYS goes republican at the federal level and democrat at the state level, however John Edwards beat the Jesse Helms machine and actually did become North Carolina's Senator.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. He Didn't Run For Re-election Because He Knew He Was Going To Lose

He's trailing Hillary in primary polls in the Tar Heal state...He's coming in a distant third in South Carolina...

[surfermaw]

24. You need more information

He ran because he was ask to run....as for as the S.C primary, you had really better look in to it, he would have won the apple last time if Bill and Hillary Clinton hadn't gotten Clark to jump in the fray, after Clark got in John, had to spend so much time in S.C, that he missed out on Oklahoma by a few points, and with Clark out, he would have beaten Keerry, only lost to him by a couple of points, think people think, Bill and Hillary scheme isn't going to work out the way they planned, people in this country are smart enought to see they were trying to hold the office for Hillary my sticking Clark in the race... Isn't he joining their forces now......

[karynnj]

46. Look again at that first multi-state day again

Even if Clark were out, Kerry would likely have still won the 5 states that he did. (MO, DE, NM, AZ, and ND). You also do not know how the OK Clark voters would have split. Even in OK, tt is entirely possible that the Clark voters who opted to vote if he were not there might have split either equally between Kerry and Edwards - or Kerry may have gotten more of them. Many could have gone to Dean. I know of NO poll that asked the Clark voters their second choice. Kerry was at 27% to Clark's and Edwards' 30%.

When Clark entered the race, the USAtoday and other accounts, suggested the big loser in his entry was John Kerry, who was the only one with military credentials running. The Clark voters liked Clark's military and foreign policy experience and they liked that he was against the war. Kerry was a much closer match to this than Edwards in February 2004.

The only thing that Edwards 2004 and Clark 2004 had in common was that they were both Southern. Even if Edwards ended up with OK and SC, Kerry would still have done exceptionally well in a set of states that would not typically got to a NE Senator. He would still have been the big winner.

[itsrobert]

48. No use talking sense to that guy

He only has bashing Edwards on his mind.

[Froward69]

40. Thank you , surfermaw

I couldent have said it better.:pals:

[hisownpetard]

20. If the premise is false, which other post should I read? nt

[surfermaw]

27. read the papers and other news outlets

If Mclatchy papers are giving Edwards this much coverage, then you had better start to look at him, remember, Wasn't (Can't remember for sure) Bill Clinton in the group that helped them buy the Charlotte Observer, todays papers is the only decent coverage that I have seen that they given him.I suppose some are thinking of John being Hillarys V.P...that would be ok, but I think we would be much better off with John, and either Biden, Gore or Hillary....Run John Run

[Ethelk2044]

21. Obama is not finished. Obama will win the race. and your post is bullshit.

[Buzz Clik]

23. Have we started voting already? I had a busy weekend and must have missed it.

Damn. I should have put it on TiVo.

[Dawgs]

25. You're basing this on what?

[Kahuna]

26. Al Gore if he wants it.. But I suspect that Edwards will take it..

as voters get down to the business of seriously deciding who can do better in the general.

[surfermaw]

28. You got it,

I think Goer might just like to be VP again, and he will have the chance if Edwards wins...or my other choice Biden.

[zulchzulu]

29. Obama is not "finished" by any stretch...

He has rallies where thousands of paying people come to see him speak. 6,000 people came to see him on Oct. 19 at ASU. He just made 2 million dollars in four days. He has a LOT of support. He's just behind Clinton in money and is getting the ground game in key first states set up and organized with an overload of volunteers.

If you believe the Clinton Spin Machine where they are playing up the "inevitibility" meme, then you must take a serious look at where you get your information.

[ronnykmarshall]

30. Dawn Davenport!!!

[maximusveritas]

31. If anyone's floundering, it's Edwards

Other than his picking up the Iowa SEUI endorsement, it's been all downhill for him. If Obama is done for, then that means Hillary's won. Perhaps that was the point of your post.

[LWolf]

32. It depends on the goal.

If the goal is to nominate the best platform, best record, most integrity, then Kucinich.

If you are more comfortable with a more mainstream candidate, then Edwards.

[Colobo]

33. Your premise is wrong. Obama is the Hillary alternative.

We will beat her.

[JCMach1]

37. Then he better start running a stronger campaign soon and

deep six the gaffes

[surfermaw]

39. Tue to the Charlotte Observer, read Surfermaws post today

Edwards and ag voters.....!First favorable coverage the Charlotte Observer has given him, they are Hillary all the way,

[rndmprsn]

34. edwards...

and he is heating it up just now too.

[Rhythm and Blue]

35. Nobody, really. It's pretty much over.

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance--you can see plenty of all five stages all around here.

[Nedsdag]

36. There's a Hillary alternative?

The way her supporters are crowing, you think she's running against herself.

:shrug:

[SteppingRazor]

38. Obama is finished? Since when?

:shrug:

[Ediacara]

41. This year was supposed to be a slam dunk, but why is it that the one I dislike least is Biden?

Biden the loudmouth plagiarist will probably be the one I end up voting for..... God help us...

[karynnj]

43. I may be with you here

I am between thinking it a function of seeing too much too early on all the candidates or the view that the Clintons strongarmed many good potential candidates out. (Yes, I know that when I begin to wish for Bayh and Warner back - it is as much desperation as thinking I might support Biden, who I dislike seeing run the SFRC. )

[ruggerson]

45. Warner would have EASILY been our strongest candidate

I'm still baffled why he decided not to go for it.

[jillan]

44. Biden. BUT Obama is nowhere near finished.