No.

[cali]

No you can't have a new Speaker; it's up to members of Congress, not you, and they ain't gonna listen to you on this. Nor should they.

No. you can't recall House Representatives.

No. you can't recall U.S. Senators.

No. Progressives and Liberals and Democrats are not the only people represented by your Congressional representatives.

No. Hillary Clinton's campaign won't be derailed by Socks the cat or stories about how she's a lesbian or had Vince Foster done in.

No. The race for the dem nomination is not over, but yes Clinton is leading.

Reality. It's not a bad place to be when it comes to politics.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. You Have To Have A More Provocative Header To Get Responses

DSB

[Sparkly]

2. How about "kicking people out of the party"

especially prominent leaders and candidates? ;)

[cali]

4. No. n/t

:P

[Stinky The Clown]

20. chortle

chortle

[cuke]

3. Tonight, I'm going to make bread pudding for the first time

I suggest those who want to overthrow the govt do the same. It's a more productive use of time.

[cali]

5. That's quite the coincidence.

I just made a chocolate croissant bread pudding.

[cuke]

6. Show off

I'm starting with cinnamon raisin

[cali]

9. My mother makes cinnamon raisin

and serves it with thawed frozen raspberries in syrup spooned on top. It sounds wierd, but it's amazingly delicious.

[Inuca]

13. Mmmm.... may I visit? n/t

[Marrah_G]

25. Recipe please, that sounds yummy!

[cali]

29. Aargh. I rarely use recipes but this is what I did

I took 4 croissants and tore 'em into bite size pieces and put 'em in a bowl. Melted 2 oz of bittersweet choc with 1/2 cup sugar and 1/2 cup strong coffee in microwave. Let cool and added 3 eggs and 1/2 cup whole milk- if the mixture is too thick just add more milk. Dump chocolate mixture into croissant pieces. Soak for a few minutes before putting into buttered baking dish, and bake in preheated 325 oven for 30 to 35 minutes. Serve warm or at room temp. Everyone loves it, and I do it differently each time.

[Marrah_G]

31. I'm gonna bring home croissants tommorrow and try this!

[Rhythm and Blue]

14. I just finished making a deep-dish pizza.

It seems a few of my relatives in Minnesota have no idea what a real pizza is. They think "deep dish" just means "thick crust," like those abominations Pizza Hut sells. I intend to inform them.

[CreekDog]

28. bake cookies and stand by your man

teehee...brings back memories. I liked 1992, Dems had their stuff together.

[Debi]

7. Yeah, but we know that she let Buddy out and had him hit by that car!

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/03/buddy.killed/index.html

Obviously she was jealous (oh, and yes, I'm kidding)

[cali]

8. Great picture. n/t

[Debi]

12. I'm sure you've seen the 'other' one

x(

[tandot]

10. You forgot to mention that she got Buddy in the first place to kill Socks the cat

It didn't work so she "dumped" Socks and then hired a hit-man to silence Buddy. Vince Foster knew about it...and we all know how that ended...


It all makes sense now :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Debi]

11. Yep, all coming together

:rofl:

[Control-Z]

19. Wonder if

* ever received such affection from an animal (or another human, for that matter).

[Debi]

23. Uh, no

He dropped poor Barney on the tarmac :eyes:

[Control-Z]

24. Exactly what I was thinking about.

You know it's possible poor Barney may have made a suicide jump.

Desperate times do call for desperate measures.

[Neoma]

15. Whatever.

Sounds like someone gave up on the world.

[cali]

16. No

it's just about recognizing that there are some things that activism can't accomplish within our system. And actually, I wouldn't change many of the things in the OP even if I could.

[Neoma]

17. You can't do anything because you believe you can't do anything.

Doesn't mean I can't do anything about it. Speak for yourself.

[CreekDog]

30. It means you can't do it until you convince the rest of us to go with you on this ride

You aren't getting there and your (movement's) ideas are not getting traction and not among the Hillary backers and Pelosi backers here on DU. If anything, the anti Hillary and anti Pelosi posts here are making me defend them as if they are underdogs because what is being asked of them is totally unrealistic.

There aren't the votes to impeach, if you impeach Bush anyway and you don't get Cheney out at the same time, Cheney WILL ABSOLUTELY ATTACK IRAN POSSIBLY WITH NUKES. But impeachment takes a long time and even if it goes through, we are going to do what, get rid of 3 months of his term? And then Cheney, remember, remember as president. Egahhh!

And Pelosi cannot defund the war without the backing of her own caucus. She can send up leglislation that leaves out Iraq troop funding but she won't be able to pass it because enough of her own caucus (13 votes) will not pass any appropriation that doesn't fund the troops. Heck, if any of these folks are on the rules committee, it might not even get through that.

So this simplistic thing of saying "if Pelosi would just do her job" we would get an impeachment or a worthy try and we would defund Iraq and the troops would somehow come home and the war would end is pie in the sky --it ain't gonna happen like that, there aren't the votes to stop the war from getting funded, the only way to even come close would be to refuse to put forward any defense appropriation with Iraq Funding and our own caucus would probably, a third of them, bolt if the method was that extreme.

Electoral math, and those tactics are not adding up to success.

So stop blaming Pelosi for your lack of success on this, get her the votes she needs and it might change (from blue dogs and Republicans) and you'll have a shot, but they aren't changing their minds anywhere near enough to change this dynamic. This is their fault, not Pelosi's.

[Neoma]

33. Did I say anything about all that?

Way to attack ghosts. I say that anything is possible, I get blasted. See anything wrong with that picture? I have a feeling that someones dead inside.

[CreekDog]

35. In the context of the thread, anything is not possible NOW or SOON

That's what I'm getting at.

And if it's going to be possible, you have to get a thicker skin so that you can help gather the support that's needed to change this dynamic.

And anyone who has defended Pelosi or Hillary on DU lately has taken a hell of a lot more shit than what my little post caused you. So, take a breathe and deal with it, you are in the minority in the party and your possibles aren't possible until you change that.

[Neoma]

39. You assume.

[CreekDog]

41. About what?

[Neoma]

43. Isn't it extremely obvious?

I believe you're so wound up as to take any post, assume the basis of a post and make up random things to throw at a person just to belittle and distort his or her post in order to get some sort of argumentative power boost.

[CreekDog]

48. It's not just about you and my message did not single you out

But instead pointed at the type of criticism Pelosi has been getting which was the point of the thread to begin with and what we were ALL talking about.

The fact that it was a reply to you doesn't mean it was only about you, some of it was, most of it was not about you only, I don't know your posting history or every statement you made about Pelosi

However I do think it was ignorant of you to say it's possible, I never said it was impossible, I said it was extremely unlikely and if it were even possible, the cure could be worse than the disease --President Cheney for example?

But one thing I just can't countenance, and I don't know if you've ever done this, but many at DU have: that Pelosi and Reid are a) stupid b) not good at their jobs c) bought and paid for as the reason impeachment isn't happening.

Actually, they are good at their jobs and they know a heck of a lot and it could be the President Cheney thing (which Reid has mentioned as a BIG BIG concern). But stupid, no way.

And besides, imagine a vote in the Senate to impeach Bush and Cheney, 67 votes to oust Bush, 66 to oust Cheney. President Cheney. War with Iran. Congratulations, you are right, it is possible, but it is stupid.

And if it was extremely obvious, I would not ask what you meant.

[Neoma]

49. What ever.

[CreekDog]

50. Thank you.

[Neoma]

51. For ignoring you?

Sure.

[OKNancy]

18. Love it.. you've got spunk

I took an 8 month break from the hysteria here. No more.
People like you make it tolerable. Fight the silliness with logic! Love it.

[CreekDog]

32. I'm on board with her logic too

I'm tired of the blame Pelosi and Hillary sentiment for the work of Bush, Cheney and the Republican congress. I've seen Pelosi enough to know that if the votes were out there to stop the madness, she would stop it --they aren't and that's the tragedy.

Pelosi is the left/liberal's ally, we don't have quite the numbers we need to change it. That's not her fault.

[Auntie Bush]

44. ditto for me

I've been trying to say that but get nothing but flames upside my head.
Everyone just seems to blame Pelosi for everything and chew her up and spit her out right in my eye!

[CreekDog]

47. it just sucks, it's like criticizing someone for not being tall enough

[Poll_Blind]

21. You could have used alot fewer words and just said "Eat shit and like it, proles!"

I don't know why you had to drag Socks and lesbians into this- haven't they suffered enough?

PB

[BootinUp]

22. I came to this thread to argue

but I'm happy it wasn't necessary, lol.

[LWolf]

26. "they ain't gonna listen to you on this"

What a graphic illustration of WHY there is discontent in the ranks.

"They" "ain't" listening to much of anything these days.

[CreekDog]

27. I don't think your explanation is adequate

The "no" is the case because the people clamoring for it are outnumbered, vastly so, by those that don't feel this way. Yes, most Democrats are against the war, No, most Democrats don't want to replace Pelosi. Yes, some Democrats are stridently against Hillary Clinton, No, they do not have anywhere near the support that Hillary has.

In other words, most of the things the most vocal here want they could have, if they could get much of the party behind them --they aren't and so far, the tactics have not been effective in changing that.

Case in point, all these folks who are anti Hillary here that say the familiar refrain, "I do not know anyone who likes Hillary" when in fact Hillary is liked a lot by MANY, MANY Democrats, in fact in my family, my aunt has liked Hillary a lot all along, my mom likes her, my other aunt loves Gore but in recent weeks has gotten to know more about Hillary and likes her, her coworkers, mostly black, like Hillary --somewhat because they really, really like Bill Clinton and the list goes on. I don't want to act like I know the mainstream of the party and the complainers don't --however, I think this is the case.

Heck, search my old messages, I was posting that she was not my preferred candidate for the nomination --she has been changing my mind of late and I may vote for her in the primary and may even give money and work for her too and there's a lot of company. Among the most liberal of the liberal voters, however, most people like Kucinich or Edwards (to gauge how mainstream their approach is), but the average, average Democrat is thinking Hillary now and is liking that more and more, day by day.

So, change the minds of people who like Hillary and you may be onto something, but the tactic of saying that the polls are wrong, nobody you know likes her, that we are fooled, etc., etc. is just not facing reality.

Hillary is liked by many, many Democrats, so is Pelosi and more than those Dems that don't like either. Face that reality and deal with it and you may have a chance to change it, if you don't face it, you simply will be left behind grousing about the choice the REST OF THE PARTY made because they outnumber your opinion.

And one final thought, if when you are unhappy, you sit out the election, the party will move rightward because it will learn that you are unreliable voters in the general election and because moderate Republicans and Independents are being alienated by the rightward shift of the Republican voters --they may decide it's easier to get those voters than to get yours which appear to be fickle.

Electoral math, politicians can do it, if you want to win this very, very important competition, I recommend you learn this new math too, otherwise don't complain that it's unfair when your choice loses --it's not, right now, it would be unfair if your choice won because your choice is not the choice of most Democrats. If you want that to change, make it so, don't whine.

[BootinUp]

38. nicely done. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

34. How's that blind loyalty thing working out for you?

Happy with what you've got?

[BootinUp]

36. Obviously

thats not the OP's position. I see you prefer not to dispute any of her points, just throw some slime and leave huh?

[cali]

37. Bwahahaha. How's that feeble army of strawmen and

wittle straw dogs working out for you?

[Warren Stupidity]

40. all burnt up in the flamefest.

You are a loyalist. Get used to it. I hope you like the direction your leaders are taking us.

[Sparkly]

42. Do you prefer the direction the Republicans take us?? nt

[cali]

46. I don't try and tell people who they are or what they believe

You don't get to define me and it's perfectly clear that you don't have a clue. And you know what? I don't really give a damn about explaining myself to people who are determined to label people without knowing what the fuck they're talking about. You aren't worth it. Not to me.

[Stinky The Clown]

45. "Eat shit and die", I see, has been replaced by "Fling shit and fly"

Whatever gets that boat a-floatin' ......