Question to HRC supporters: If you love her now, how will you feel when she moves to the CENTER

[Nimrod2005]

In the general?

My point is if this is as progressive as she can get for the primaries, I am terrified of her position on issues in the general! Think about it...:scared:

[fenriswolf]

1. lol good point

right now she is pandering her base, think about what she is gonna say to people who DONT want universal health care, sex ed in school, seperation of church and state(shes pretty religious to begin with), etc, etc. lol I don't even agree with her now i shudder to think what I might have to be forced to vote for (ill probably right in kucinich if gore doesnt run)

[aquart]

2. Oh, dear, I don't know how to tell you...

Nah, I'll leave you with your dreams.

[Emillereid]

3. I agree -if this is her progressive stance, we're in trouble. Christ, before

Clinton and the DLC followed the repukes rightward, left of center used to mean something. Now having progressive ideas a la Roosevelt, McGovern and Kennedy is considered the far left.

[Nimrod2005]

5. She is not even close

[madrchsod]

40. you missed johnson

[Emillereid]

48. Right you are!

[itsrobert]

4. You mean she might make a turn to the left

to move her back from being right of center after the primaries?

[Nimrod2005]

7. NO the other way around, she will move more to the right/center, she might as well register

as a republican

[Rhythm and Blue]

9. Since she votes with the Democrats 19 times out of 20,

and holds a 100% NARAL rating (and 0% Christian Coalition rating), I don't think they'd want her.

[Nimrod2005]

11. I have one name for you: JOE LIEBERMAN, they love him!

[Rhythm and Blue]

14. Joe Lieberman only votes with the Dems 87% of the time. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Don't Confuse Nimrod With Facts

It only makes him/her angry...

[Nimrod2005]

24. Now I am pissed!!!

:hi:

[Froward69]

28. I think her bieng

Republican is just a matter of admiting it. she is a left or rather "centrist" republican. all she needs is to come out of the closet so to speak. put the correct letter next to her name (R) and the mystery will be over. then she could actually answer questions, without fear from the right.

[Rhythm and Blue]

31. She has a very strange voting record for a Republican.

Considering she votes with the Democratic party 95% of the time.

[TwilightZone]

34. Do you have a link?

I'd like to have that source for future reference. :)

[Rhythm and Blue]

36. But of course.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/c001041/

It seems her numbers have actually risen to 97% since last year (making it now 29 times out of 30). Lieberman's up to 87%, too; he's gone on a tear.

The list of everyone is http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/party-voters/

Note that Clinton is actually above Biden, Dodd, and Obama.

[TwilightZone]

42. Many thanks.

Talk about poking holes in the conventional wisdom.

[Rhythm and Blue]

46. The fact that the conventional wisdom is that she's a centrist only goes to show

how good her campaign is at spinning her. Even the Democrats buy the line that she isn't a liberal.

[TwilightZone]

47. Very good point.

She's been running for the general election for a while now. Probably since the beginning, actually.

[paulk]

54. what absolute nonsense

that is just completely off the charts.

[Rhythm and Blue]

6. I don't know quite how to tell you this, Nimrod, but for her campaign, the primaries are over.

No candidate has ever had this strong a lead this late and not won the nomination, and she's done it without pandering to the progressive wing of the party. She's already running in the General, and she's been running in the General since at least 2002.

[Nimrod2005]

8. That attitude will NOT fly in IA, they will bring her down HARD!

You will see...So will the press.

[Rhythm and Blue]

12. It's flying pretty well as it is, and there's no evidence of a change forthcoming. nt

[ElizabethDC]

16. But she's rising in the polls there

:shrug:

[Nimrod2005]

25. Only one poll, other polls have Obama and Edwards leading

A new batch of polls is coming out this week, we'll see what they show

[Rhythm and Blue]

29. Actually, that's not true. Last five polls taken:

Strategic Vision: Clinton +5
Rasmussen: Clinton +11
Des Moines Register : Clinton +6
American Research Group: Clinton +6
Newsweek: Obama +4.

Average of all polls taken in the last week: Clinton+5.2

[ElizabethDC]

37. Only one poll had Obama leading; Edwards hasn't led in weeks, IIRC

Here's a graph to help you out: http://www.pollster.com/08-IA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

[TwilightZone]

10. She's already campaigning for the general.

That's pretty obvious.

[Nimrod2005]

13. See # 8 above

[TwilightZone]

21. Evidence, please?

Her favorability ratings are improving, her lead in the primaries is steadily increasing, and she has a lead in Iowa polls for the first time in the primary season.

There is simply no evidence to support your assertion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. He/She Doesn't Need Any Damn Evidence.He/She's Nimrod

DSB

[Nimrod2005]

27. Are you my agent Mike? Follow my posts from thread ot thread?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I Love You Nimrod

I want to jump through the monitor and kiss you.


:P

[MethuenProgressive]

15. Center?? The DU crowd says she's a Republican! So center is a move LEFT!!

You get terrified too easily, nimrod. DU isn't the real world.

[OKNancy]

17. I'll know it's just talk

Look, they all do it. GWB pretended to be a moderate to win and if Hillary moderates some of her talk, it doesn't worry me. She is a POLITICIAN, that's what they do. She won't abandon choice or health care or any number of other important issues. I can hear it now. The right-wing nuts will say.. she is just saying that stuff but she's really a pinko liberal at heart. ( lol - they may be right)

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. she's been moving to the center ever since she got that twinkle in her eye

for the whitehouse.

[sniffa]

19. ah, you mean if she finaLLy tacts to the Left

:rofl:

i gather they'd be disappointed.

[Taverner]

20. That's why she's gone so DLC - no one can accuse her of flip flopping

[IndianaGreen]

26. A better question: How will they love her in 2012 with the war still an issue?

Highlights of the Clinton 44 Administration:

March 2009, antiwar marches on the 6th anniversary of the war.

October 2009, antiwar marches on the 7th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution vote.

March 2010, antiwar marches on the 7th anniversary of the war.

October 2010, antiwar marches on the 8th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution vote.

March 2011, antiwar marches on the 8th anniversary of the war.

October 2011, antiwar marches on the 9th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution vote.

March 2012, antiwar marches on the 9th anniversary of the war.

October 2012, antiwar marches on the 10th anniversary of Iraq War Resolution vote.

[Nimrod2005]

30. And the HMOs, pharma, and oil industries rule the country...

and her free trade policies would have pushed unemployment rate into the double digits

[TwilightZone]

33. Why would her free-trade policies push unemployment into double digits...

if her husband's didn't?

[Rhythm and Blue]

35. I like to think Nimrod is posting from a dystopian alternate reality,

that somehow, some connection lines got crossed, and that in an alternate universe, members of Democratic Underground are wondering why the hell Nimrod is calling the Republican nominee for President "a pretty good Democrat."

[TwilightZone]

43. Bizarro world, perhaps.

The assertions do seem to be opposing reality.

[Bitwit1234]

38. HM golly if you love Obama now how will you feel,,,,,

since he is sinking so rapidly, he will decide to move to the right and get alllll thoose republican leaning voters...geeezzze.

[madrchsod]

39. moves to the center?

well she pretty much is a centerist and i suppose that`s why she is polling so well. at least she`s not leaning towards the right

[elizm]

41. WHEN she moves to the center????? nt

[wyldwolf]

44. ha ha! As everyone keeps saying, she's running a primary and GE campaign right now

She we remain what she is now.

[movonne]

45. She is center now...she will move even further to the right...lieberman

and hillary joined at the hip..

[Nimrod2005]

49. Bingo! Agreed, that's why she voted for his stupid proposal on Iran...nt

[William769]

50. So I guess you were just being dishonest in your original post.

[SaveElmer]

51. She is running a general election campaign now...

Trying something kind of unprecedented...attempting t o run in a primary and general election at the same time...

And so far it seems to be working...

She has been consistent in her positions on the vast majority of issues...she leans to the liberal side of things, and I suspect she will stay there...

[IndianaJones]

52. love her more. nt.

[FrenchieCat]

53. Hillary will not "shift" and she will most likely stay exactly where she is........

Now, if anyone should be suspect and liable to say "sorry" and change his views to pander to the centrist, it won't be Hillary nor Obama....it would instead be that candidate who has that kind of track record; the habit of saying "Sorry" on just about every position he had ever taken after losing his last election.