Hillary cannot possibly win in 2008

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

Proof positive, straight from the horse's... err, mouth.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914464/posts

"(Republican pollster Frank) Luntz definitely told us through his polling and research that as of today Hillary Clinton will win in a landslide. He was putting all of his money on her. He said Republicans are too disorganized and the focus group proved that.

I said you are going to go broke... I said if you want to see motivation and organization? Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before, the alternative is too grave. Whether we can stand it or not Republicans will do everything in their power to elect anyone else but Clinton. You saw my exchange later on saying we have long memories and do not want to live through that hell again."

(The exchange this gentleman is referring to is when he said on Fox's post debate focus group last night: "People remember Bill Clinton and what it was like to live through that Hell.")

[onehandle]

1. Much to their and Ann Coulter's dismay, women will put her over the top.

My concern is that she may not expand our hold on Congress. Edwards and maybe others, would for sure.

[bpeale]

4. not this woman. definitely not THAT WOMAN. never!

[ChiciB1]

23. Not THIS Woman Either! Add My Daughter & HER Two Close Friends

and three of my women neighbors... and YOU have SEVEN more... NOT FOR HILLARY!!

[vssmith]

34. Should we put those seven votes in Giuliani's column?

[ChiciB1]

37. Could BE... Don't See Much Difference Between The Two... Except

she did "stand by her man" and MAYBE she did bake cookies too!

[whopis01]

42. If she wins the nomination, you will not vote for her under any circumstance? n/t

[Yael]

26. Not going to happen

Look, Hillary aside, look at the common sense angle on this. Why would we put someone with so much baggage, someone who draws out the nastiest of the nastiest reactions from people as the slate leader?

Nothing like Dems to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory and all that....

[Blue_In_AK]

32. Four women in this family don't want Hillary. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

40. So that's where that crap originates!

Not surprised. Not surprised at all.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. Sorry freeper, there are way more Dems and Independents than Republicans at this point

The GOP is going down in 2008 and you can't stop it.

[Larynx Oblation]

28. Independents Stand Independent

And we won't be voting for Billary! Anybody on the Dem ticket but her.

[Carrieyazel]

35. And you think Independents are voting for Hillary??? Not happening.

All it takes is for a large swath of Indeps to go Repuke and Hillary is sunk.

Hillary is the only candidate that will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

[BushOut06]

3. Using Free Republic as your source? Not a very wise move on DU

"Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before"

You don't think that Democratic and Independent voters will show up in record numbers to ensure that we don't have 4 more years of Rethuglican rule?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. The OP Was Being Ironic

In their bones , the idelogical right wing is scared to death of her...

[RaleighNCDUer]

10. To put the DLC neolibs in power, and continue with empire building?

Why would indies ever vote for that?

For that matter, i don't know why Dems would vote for that.

[cuke]

6. DU loves right-wing propoganda

I can't think of a rw Clinton smear that DU hasn't yet embraced

[peace frog]

9. Not ALL of DU has embraced Hillary hate

She isn't my candidate of choice but she damn-sure has my vote if she's the nominee.

[onehandle]

15. Hillary haters aren't most of DU, they're just the loudest.

She's not my #1, but she has my vote if she makes it to the General.

[Sandaasu]

7. This factor is getting ignored too much here

Yes, the source is FR, but I think that this concern is very real. One of the big factors in elections is turnout, getting the base voting. She'll probably get more of them out than any other opponent, by far. It is also true though that she might get more women out for us. It's all speculation, but it can't be ignored, as some people here who like to throw up poll numbers and take them as gospel seem to be doing.

[BushOut06]

12. If Guiliani gets nominated, don't expect to see overwhelming support from the right-wingers

They've already made known their displeasure with him, to the point where some have even suggested running a 3rd party candidate if he is nominated.

[Sandaasu]

17. Yes, that would hurt them quite a bit

I'm wondering about Romney though. He hasn't pissed off the fundies, but some are wary of him because of him being a Mormon, and the flipping on their big issues. It might be a factor if she's up against him.

If for some reason it ends up being, for example, Huckabee, it won't matter. They'll probably end up loving that guy so much they'll have good turnout anyway.

[rodeodance]

8. too bad we can not live through the HELL of a Bush impeachment !!

[Captain Hilts]

11. Luntz is a certified liar. He lies about his polling populations, etc. Everything. nt

[oasis]

19. Although Luntz shaved his beard and shed the title "Republican Pollster" a few years back, he's

the same dyed-in-the-wool Rethug we knew in the 90's.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. The Flaw

"Whether we can stand it or not Republicans will do everything in their power to elect anyone else but Clinton. "

The flaw in that analysis is the Republican brand has lost its luster...If it was a product...Sadly, it would be a GM or Ford car, that loses a little more market share every year.

Demographic trends are against them...Non-majority populations who vote overwhelmingly Democratic continue to grow while the majority population continue to shrink.

If the Rethuglicans can't make inroads among African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians they are done...Whatever inroads Bush* made with his talk of inclusion the Rethuglicans squandered away with their nativist "bash a brown immingrant" campaign...

[BootinUp]

14. Luntz really picked some ripe ones

Straight from the RW nut bushel evidently.

[yellowcanine]

16. "People remember Bill Clinton ....."

Yes they do and that is going to help Hillary, not hurt her, among Republicans as well as Democrats. Will it be enough? I don't know. There is no question there is plenty of animus out there against Hillary, Democrats as well as Republicans. But there is a lot of enthusiastic support for her as well, even among some Republicans. The polls are not of one mind on this. It seem to depend on how the questions are asked as well as the timing of the polling. Personnally I think she will kick ass regardless of whom the Republicans nominate. At the same time I think Obama would kick even more Republican ass. I am not sure he can beat Hillary for the nomination, however.

[Bitwit1234]

18. I have one question about Bill Clinton and the hell of his administration

What do republicans consider hell, good benefit paying jobs. Peace. Prosperity, A chance to really live the American dream. Resources rushed to a region in an emergency. Respect in the world. A president who can speak and knows what he is doing.

Damn give me that hell over and over.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. You had to see this guy on TV to believe him... I thought his head would fall off

The focus group looked like it was held in the unabomber's shack and the subjects were foaming at the mouth.

It showed just how samll the republican party has gotten. There were no country club republicans or moderate pro-defense types... just lunatics who think the a-rabs are actually going to take over America.

The pugs are victims of their success... they created these mutants, and now I don't think they can deactivate them.

This guy was no Guliani fan. He cites Tom Tancredo as one example of the kind of candidates that could whip Hillary. So you can see why I'm skeptical of his skill as an election analyst.

[BootinUp]

29. You hurt me with that one, lol. n/t

[emilyg]

21. I miss Bill.

[Yael]

27. That is not a reason to back Hillary

But I understand :)

[emilyg]

38. I back Hillary for her own achievements.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

22. Let the eagle soar, like we've never seen before...

I knew something was nagging me about this guy's phrase, "you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before."

It's cause I kept hearing Ashcroft's mellifluous voice in my head.

[Nedsdag]

24. Why bother with this OP?

You know the Hillbots will come out like bees to honey?

Why put yourself through this?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

25. Bring it on!

The Hillbots cannot hope to withstand the clear-headed arguments of Freepers like this. This guy has the goods on Hillary and her stolen FBI files, and he understands that ideological purity trumps practical politics. We have so much to learn from him:

"Folks, I have made decision not to vote for anyone except a true conservative this year. I know that will rub some of you the wrong way. That being the case, I wrote down the reasons why.

I had presumed that the Republicans who gave the Clinton a pass in the Senate had done so because they were compromised by information in the FBI files Hillary stole.

Either way, I agree that putting a Socialist one-worlder in office from the Republican side is about like shooting yourself in the right foot instead of the left. Either way, it's going to hurt.

I am done voting for soft "conservatives" because they are "the lesser of two evils". The lesser evil is still evil. Better to let the heat come up fast and get the frogs jumping out of the pot than let the temperature be ramped up slowly, one more notch."

23 posted on 10/22/2007 2:58:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914464/posts

[creeksneakers2]

30. Frightened Freepers grasping at straws

They know they'll probably lose.

[illinoisprogressive]

31. what about all the dems who do not like the Clintons and suffer as a result of their policies

[ruggerson]

33. The interesting thing about this

is that Luntz highlighted a FREEPER, who obviously went there with an agenda, to be a major part of his "Focus Group."

It makes Luntz and his entire operation a total joke.

I knew when I heard that guy that something was up - sure enough, the next day he's reporting back to Freak Republic with his little coup.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Good Catch

I wonder how many "uncommitted" or "swing" voters that are really "committed" get on those panels to sway the results...If I say I am "uncommitted" before the debate and become "committed" after the debate it gives the candidate I "committed" to extra credibility...

All self selected surveys are a joke...People figured that out thirty years ago when they read the Hite Report...

[BenDavid]

36. u call it hell, I call it 8 years of peace and prosperity: U

want a democrat to be president? Or do you wanna lose like 04 and 2000? One of the reasons folks put out this trite about she cannot win is because they know she can. She will not take any crap from any republican and she will fight for what she knows is right. So, you wanna lose again in 08 then let obama run and the racist right wing will have a field day with him and edwards would not bring out a sweat to the republicans....Only HRC instills the biggest fear in the republican party because they know she can win....

I do thank you
Benj David

[DemFemme]

39. Republicans feel about the Clintons as Democrats feel about Dubya

If Hillary is the nominee, it'll be ABC all the way for them, as it was ABB for us in 2004. It's a good thing Ken Blackwell is no longer around.