Edwards appeared on that misogynist asshole Bill Maher's show. Where are the denouncements?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

You remember Maher, who compared breastfeeding to masturbating, likened a female pop star who had gained a few pounds to a pig, and just generally says nasty things about women on his show, comedy specials, and columns.

Oh but he doesn't really want to hurt us women, he just wants to help us be less irritating to important manly men like him. You know, to save us from our innate female inferiority and annoying-ness.

Why, I'll bet if Obama did a road show with Maher, Howard Stern, and Larry Flynt he'd be lauded as a hero on DU.


Flame the fuck away.

[Colobo]

1. Naw- This is Obama hate week. Hill and Edwards get a pass

from the always fair and balanced DU crowd.

[DemBones DemBones]

2. I can't stand Bill Maher. Like Dennis Miller, he's used up his

time as a comic, is no longer funny, just mean.

I quit watching him while "Politically Incorrect" was still on. One too many rants against marriage and "women demanding diamonds."

[rusty quoin]

3. I agree with you about the breastfeeding and Britney. He can be mean.

I will still watch him though.

[incapsulated]

4. Huh?

So have a LOT of democrats.

Maher is very popular with a lot of... brace yourself... democrats.

[Colobo]

5. I mean, let's focus on Obama, the man we all should love to hate.

:sarcasm:

[incapsulated]

7. hey...

I bashed Edwards today, so I'm all good.

:P

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. So a lot of Democrats like misogynists.

Quel surprise

[incapsulated]

18. No, not all of us expect a comedian

To conform to our political views.

I do think Maher has serious "issues" in that department and always did. It annoys the shit out of me.

But. He isn't saying women should be denied the vote or some crazy ass thing. He isn't some right wing nutjob. He also isn't my representative.

Democrats also appeared on Imus all the fucking time and some are even promising to do it again with his new show. I found him a million times more offensive.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

34. Not all of us expect gospel singers to conform to our political views either

McCloset is no more a 'representative' of Obama than Maher is of Edwards.

Ultimately, I agree with you. I really don't care about any of the candidates appearing on Maher's show, or Imus', or Stern's. If it gets you exposure and votes, good on ya.

As for performers at fundraisers, meh. I'm more concerned with the big corporate donors who are going to expect favors in return. Pretty much all the frontrunners have problems in that area. It's an unfortunate effect of the "pay to play" campaign system we have.

[incapsulated]

37. hrm, there is a difference

It may not be fair, but most people make a distinction between being on a edgy comedian's show and say, asking that comedian to perform at your campaign event.

There is also a difference between finding a comedians routine, pardon the pun, politically incorrect and having that comedian seriously advocate for the repression of the rights of a group of people.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

50. Maher uses his "humor" to convey serious political points

That he does that is obvious to anyone watching him. As for his interview with Edwards, it was a total puff piece. I don't know if Maher supports him but it sure looked like it from what I saw on the youtube clip.

[incapsulated]

53. Actually, didn't he endorse him?

Anyway, my point is, if Maher stated, seriously, "I am on a war to destroy the womans movement and put them back in their place" I think everyone would have a problem with democrats going on his show.

It really is a matter of degree in this area.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

55. A matter of degree, but not kind. n/t

[mitchtv]

6. Maybe he should get McClurkin as a guest

It is a good show , Sorry ,Barak did something stupid

[incapsulated]

9. He would, too

He will have anyone on.

Which annoys the crap out of me half the time, to be honest.

[Kutjara]

8. To be fair, there is a difference between being on someone's show...

...and sharing a stage with them. If, for example, a democratic candidate was a guest on O'Reilly or Limbaugh's shows, nobody would think the candidate was endorsing the rightwing views of those broadcasters. If, on the other hand, the candidate invited those same broadcasters onto the stage at a fundraiser or rally, many would think he/she was endorsing their views.

Maybe it's all to do with who does the inviting.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

16. How? Edwards was sharing a stage with Maher.

Even though I believe it was via satellite. Furthermore, if any of our candidates did invite Maher/Stern/Flynt or any other notorious sexist pig onstage I'm pretty sure it'd be A-OK with most people here.

[Kutjara]

20. While I fear you're depressingly right re Stern/Flynt et al...

...I think the Edwards situation is different. Agreeing to be on a talk show does not convey agreement with the views of the host. Often, guests have strongly opposing viewpoints to the host, and most viewers do not regard the bare fact of the guest's appearance on the show as the equivalent of approval for the show's editorial position.

Political rallies are a different animal altogether. They are orchestrated by the politician's election machine to convey the politician's values to potential voters. Everything that appears onstage is taken to represent the views of the politician. For this reason, politicians are very careful about who they invite to share the stage with them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no Edwards support or Maher fan. I just don't think the Edwards scenario maps terribly well to the Obama one.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. Normally, I'd say they wouldn't map either but Maher was gushing over Edwards

Sometimes an interview is more than just an interview.

Plus, as I've said in another post, if Edwards had Maher or one of those other shock jock misogynists do a fundraiser for him I seriously think very few people in the progressive community would have a problem with it.

[Kutjara]

43. I haven't seen Edwards' appearance on Maher, so I must bow to your assessment

I agree that an interview can be much more than just an interview. If that was the case, then I understand your position more clearly. While Edwards may not have asked Maher to gush about him, the fact that Maher did so has the potential to bond the two together in viewers' eyes.

It reminds me of Sammy Davis Jr.'s misguided support of Richard Nixon. I think Davis actually kissed Tricky Dickie onstage. It did Nixon's career a lot of good and virtually killed Sammy's stone dead.

[provis99]

78. soo..Maher is a "pig" because he called someone a "pig"

Hypocrisy, thy name is catburglar.

[Sandaasu]

10. Oh of course!

Because the right to breastfeed without covering up is just as important as keeping a great many homosexuals from facing misery, depression, and suicide.

Edwards didn't choose Maher to represent him either.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. Just where do you think homophobia originates?

It is rooted in rigid, restrictive gender roles and hatred of women.

And I'm pretty certain that if Maher offered to campaign for Edwards, he'd take him up on it. Because homophobia is passe these days but misogyny never goes out of style.

[Sandaasu]

31. Yes, but ...

I have yet to see Maher push "traditional" gender roles on women. He doesn't push the kind of sexism that leads to homophobia. Yes, he's an ass to women in general sometimes, but he's an ass to lots of people like that.

It's a stretch to assume that Edwards would take him up on that, just because he's appeared on his show.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

46. If Edwards did take him up on it, he wouldn't get much, if any, flack for it.

I'm curious to know at what point sexism becomes, as you say, the kind that leads to homophobia? Because I always figured it all came from the same fetid swamp.

[Sandaasu]

54. He'd get some, I'm sure.

Not from me though. I see Maher as a comedian first and don't take him very seriously. It wouldn't affect how I think of Edwards either way.

There's a difference between the "a woman's place is in the kitchen" attitude, and making fun of Britney Spears being insane. The former comes from the concept of women being inferior, which would lead to thinking that men who behave in some fashion like women are demeaning themselves. I don't see how mocking Britney for doing her odd things, or thinking that breasts shouldn't be shown in public for any reason (which is a stance I do disapprove of), ends up with the same results.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

56. All the behaviors you describe reinforce the dominant paradigm

Which is patriarchy. Which is predicated on men being above women. Which leads to misogyny and homophobia and all manner of other disagreeable things.

BTW, Maher wasn't mocking Britney for being "insane". He was denigrating her appearance in a bit where he was comparing her unfavorably to a more nubile young starlet. While implying that said starlet would be a disgusting pig like Britney (over 25! with cellulite!) in a few years.

As for the breastfeeding, Maher was hardly proclaiming that breasts should not be seen in public. Au contraire. He made it abundantly clear (via sharing a few frat boy yuks about strippers with Drew Carey) that breasts are only meant to be seen when they are on display for male visual gratification.

on edit: I'm curious, would you be similarly sanguine about someone who made comments and jokes denigrating and stereotyping gays or people of other races, so long as he/she wasn't actively advocating for discriminating against them? Do you think any of our candidates would get away with doing a puff interview on his/her show?

[Sandaasu]

61. I don't see that there, really

Not every joke about a woman sets all women back in that manner. I just can't connect that, sorry. I feel the same way about comedy regarding any group.

Britney, for example, is a mess in general. He shouldn't have to explain that a picture of her is enough to show that he's alluding to her in general, not just her weight gain.

By public I meant places like parks and regular restaurants, not places where they're shown for people who like to look at the things to get their kicks. I don't think he suggested that women should have them out all the time for the amusement of men who like that kind of thing. Heck, I pray that I'll see a day when it's normal on tv for a couple of people get some yuks on about ogling male bodies.

I am sanguine about those who make jokes about gay and racial stereotypes in ways that aren't outright nasty. I get a kick out of Mencia's show, for example. In that case though, I think that the candidates would get into some trouble because his jokes relating to race would probably upset too many.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

63. "I think that the candidates would get into some trouble because his jokes relating to race..."

Exactly.

[Sandaasu]

65. Yep, I'm not everyone.

There are a lot of people out there who get offended more easily than I do, and I understand why. Similarly, they'd get in some trouble if they embraced Maher in some substantial way, and I'd understand that too.

Back to McCloset. He's not a comedian. There's no real wiggle room there. He has solid stances that God disapproves of homosexuality and that if we're going to be proper in his eyes that we have to change. He advocates seriously for this position, as a pastor, as well as pressing it on children. He might even have blood on his hands, for having helped to drive someone to kill themselves.

[cboy4]

11. Oh boy. We're really grasping for straws now, aren't

we thecatburgler?

Listen, it's your right to support a candidate who allows a homophobe to help him raise money.

And it's our right to call him on it.

I'm know this makes you foot-stomping furious, but tough.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. And it's your right to support a candidate who allows a misogynist to give him a forum.

And it's my right to call you on it.

[cboy4]

19. Yea, but there's only one thing wrong with that comment,

the thecatburglar.

I've not stated that I support a candidate "who allows a misogynist to give him a forum," now have I?

In between your foot stomping, try to grasp fewer straws.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

24. I don't give a shit who you support

When I said "you" I didn't mean "you, personally." Sorry for not being painstakingly literal.

[cboy4]

26. No need to apologize thecatburgler. I don't expect

expect a lot from you in so many ways.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. But I must have some compelling quality that has made you respond to me this many times.

It's okay, I just have that effect on people.

[Forkboy]

29. So do car crashes.

[cboy4]

35. Now Forkboy, don't upset thecatburglar. He's going to

throw the TV through the window any second now because he's not getting his way.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. But I am getting my way. You keep responding to me. n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. You look at car crashes? How creepy. I usually look away. n/t

[Forkboy]

44. "Usually"

So you're only creepy sometimes. :eyes:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

47. Sometimes they are on the road right in front of you and you can't help it.

My commute in the morning on I10 is grueling, I tell ya.


But you apparently seek them out, Creepy McCreeperson.

[Forkboy]

52. "Creepy McCreeperson"?

I don't mind being insulted, but try to at least take it beyond the playground level of creativity.The little kid across the street got me with a zinger better than that one yesterday, and he can't be more than eight.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

57. Oh come on! It was at least on a 9 year old level of creativity. n/t

[cboy4]

33. I'm responding to what you write in response to my

replies.

Isn't that what people do on a discussion board thecatburglar? Discuss?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. Okey dokes.

[OHdem10]

12. Don't you think we are beginning to sound ;like the RWers?

I thought Liberals and Progressives represented open-mindedness.

This guilt by association thrown at Obama and Edwards sounds like
the Fundies on fire.

Politicians by the very nature of their job must associate with
all kinds of people.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. Yeah, that's pretty much the point I'm making

I can't stand Bill Maher but I still like and respect Edwards. I don't think that Edwards is endorsing Maher's misogynistic views by appearing on his show, any more than I think Obama is endorsing homophobia by allowing some bigoted jagoff to do a few songs at a performance. I wish neither Edwards nor Obama would have to resort to those kinds of things, but they are doing what they gotta do to get elected.

[rusty quoin]

17. Let me say, it was a really good show.

[MrSlayer]

22. All three of those guys rule.

I'd have no problem with anyone doing a road show with them.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. Well, yay for misogyny! I guess. n/t

[MrSlayer]

64. I don't think any of them hate women.

I've seen no evidence that any of the three hate women. You are a taking a one liner that Maher used during one of his rants and acting as if he just flatly stated that breastfeeding is the equivalent of masturbation when clearly he did not. You missed his point, he could have used any number of normal bodily functions as his example for that joke. You just seem to be one of those types that go out of your way to be offended and try to ramp up the false outrage machine over nothing. I may be wrong about that but that's how it seems.

I've been a Stern fan for over 20 years and I've never seen any evidence that he hates women. If you knew anything about Howard you would never call him a misogynist. He has been a champion of civil rights, women's rights and particularly gay rights for decades. I really think you have no idea what he does and have taken a blurb or two or worse just went off of his corporate media reputation to make your decision on him.

As far as Flynt goes, I'm not really a huge fan of his except that he is a champion of the first amendment and he tells the political truths that the media never will. I don't think publishing pictures of naked women or sex makes one a woman hater.

I disagree with your assessments of these people. Why do you believe they hate women?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

79. ROFLMAO!!!

You had me going for a minute there. I thought you were actually being serious.

[lordsummerisle]

23. I can't believe the hatred of Maher on DU

I've followed Bill Maher for years...if you're a progressive you should be agreeing with around 90% of what he's been saying. And the other 10%? I would say if you're agreeing with someone 100% of the time always then you're not thinking for yourself. There are some things I don't agree with Bill on, but I'm not going to call him names for it. Why don't you direct your animosity to the RW'ers who disagree with practically *everything* you believe in.
And nobody's making you watch Bill, are they...?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. No one is making you tell me what I 'should' agree with either

Yet there you are, doing just that.

And BTW, Maher is far more of a libertarian than a progressive, unless he's changed substantially in his views since I last watched him. About the only thing I agree with him on is the war. But even if I did agree 90%, the remaining 10% makes the rest of him unpalatable.

[lordsummerisle]

58. OK, besides the alleged misogny what else do you disagree with? n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

59. Now that I think about it, misogyny clouds so many of his views it's hard to say

For example, he rails against child-safety regulations and public policy efforts to reduce unhealthy behaviors like smoking. He considers them to be an indication of the 'feminization' of our culture. I don't necessarily disagree with those points, per se, but I take issue with him using them to bash women.

[ThomCat]

72. I might not mind that 10%

if he wasn't always targetting women with vile, degrading "humor." That 10% is consistently sexist, inflamatory, stereotypical B.S.

It's hard to overlook that kind of very consistent sexism.

It's also hard to take him serious as a progressive when he clearly dislikes half the population. He seems to want to support progressive values mostly for horny bachelors that like to sleep around, want to hang out at the playboy mansion, and don't want to be stuck with any kids.

[illinoisprogressive]

30. I like Bill maher. He is hillarious. i like Obama and i like Edwards

[mrreowwr_kittty]

45. I like Obama and Edwards. I don't like Maher. He's a bitter, boring hack.

To each his/her own. :shrug:

I don't really care that Edwards was on his show either. My post was to point out the growing absurdity of the Obama situation with McClosetqueen. If candidates are going to have the ideological purity of every single person they have anything to do with scrutinized (I'm not talking important stuff like major donors or close advisors) then it's going to be an even longer and more tiresome primary season than it already seems to be.

[question everything]

32. This is where freeper-wannabe take control

This is where DUers are getting to be like freepers in seeing the world in black and white. You are either with us or against us.

And, of course, no sense of humor.

Have you seen all the posts praising those idiots who tried to disrupt Maher? All the 9/11 conspirators had a chance to express their opinions on the big forums without being exiled to their own forum.

What DUers need to understand is that all of them: Maher, Stewart, Colbert, even Olbermann - have to generate controversy to be interested and relevant. And if they will just check with DU or with Sheehan, or with Chavez ahead of time to get their OK, they will soon shrivel and die.

[Alcibiades]

36. "US forces have killed 67 Iraqi civilians..."

"...(including 19 children) so far in October."

Snipped from http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/recent/

While I'm looking out for things to be outraged about, John Edwards' appearance on the unfunny, Republican, misogynistic and misanthropic Bill Maher's show isn't even a blip on my radar. Don't like Maher? Get him taken off the air. I'll even sign the petition.

Anyone really eager to pillory people who have appeared on Maher's show, should be sure to get outraged at everyone who has ever appeared on the show, including John Kerry and the Dixie Chicks.

Fuck Bill Maher. I hate his sorry ass. I have a retarded brother, so Maher has deeply offended my entire family. I'm just not ready to get ticked off at everyone who has ever appeared on his show, employed him, been employed by him, advertised on his show or the network it is on, etc. That way lies madness.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

48. I completely agree with you. That's the point I'm making.

I was doing a comparison using Edwards on Maher so people would see the absurdity of the outrage over Obama. Obama has expressed strong support for gay rights and has denounced the guy's views. If Obama goes on to disinvite the guy and banish him from his presence forever, it will not be enough for them.

[Alcibiades]

73. Oh, I see

I didn't even bother reading any of those Obama-bashing threads, as the point involved seems rather petty. Sorry for being so dense.

:pals:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

80. I should've put the sarcasm thingy in my post.

I wish none of the candidates would have to schmooze celebrities and pander to questionable people for endorsements and donations, but they all do it. It's ridiculous to cherry-pick which ones to get outraged over.

[PurityOfEssence]

42. Maher's not a misogynist, he's a misanthropist. Are you an misandrist?

Yeah, he likened Britney Spears' kissing of Madonna to being like "kissing your grandmother", even though he and Madonna are about the same age. He's also made age jokes about guys who are trying to be sex symbols, too, so he's an equal opportunity ageist.

Watch him talk with people and interview them. He's got plenty of rough edges and he's snide to the bone, but he's got some true integrity. Did you see him with Jan Schakowsky? He thinks she's great, which she is. He makes nasty off-color jokes, but he's not a bigot; he revels in being a bad boy.

Abrasiveness is his schtick, and his stock-in-trade is thumping on the nanny society--hence the original concept of "Politically Incorrect"--but he's hardly a conservative or a dick. He hammers males for blustering puffery too, and lampoons them for uber-masculine crap, so the misogyny rap is a hard one to make stick.

[ThomCat]

70. He clearly has some gripes against women

and a lot of his humor is picking on people for being women. I think he's definitely an obvious misogynist.

I'm surprised that people can watch his shows and somehow NOT come to that conclusion. :shrug:

[PurityOfEssence]

74. He also takes men to task for being lunkheads

Yes, your point is well taken, but he really hammers on males for macho posturing, so I'd say he's more of a misanthropist. This would make him a misandrist, a misogynist and a misanthropist, but the net effect is sort of across the board. Yes, he makes snotty remarks dismissing elements of showy femininity, so he deserves some hits for this, but the way the pronouncement of "misogynist" is usually used is to completely marginalize and dismiss someone for being JUST against women, when he makes derisive comments in every direction. There's some form of odd integrity about that, and being that his whole schtick is to say those things that aren't politically correct, it's part and parcel with the guy in the first place.

It's sort of like saying that W.C. Fields hates kids. Sure, there's some foundation in it, and it's a basis for the signature schtick, but when that kid drowned playing with the model boats in his fountain, he was devastated, and not just for the p.r. aspect of it.

Backhandedly dismissing Maher as a misogynist is a dangerous thing, because if that blanket dismissal is true, his genuine respect for people like Jan Schakowsky would be false, and it isn't. It's a tricky fine line, and since he gets so much mileage out of his outrageousness, it's only fair that he should take the hits for it. Still, to label him as someone who hates women is EXTREMELY far from the truth. He thumps on people who hide behind the artifices more than anything else.

He's far from perfect, and I think you'll see that's been my consistent take on him, but I'd wager that he's a lot more accepting of individuals regardless of their gender (especially forthright, honest ones) than many of the surfacy fakes in the entertainment industry. He should take his hits and he should get some points for all this.

Does that make sense?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

82. POE, I give you credit for the points you are making. However,

I reject the defense of people like Maher on the basis of "Oh he does it to everybody, he's an equal opportunity offender!" It has been my experience that whenever something is said to have "something to offend everyone!", there is usually little to nothing in it to offend the straight white able-bodied males who are nearly always its target audience.

Maher's schtick is definitely no exception to the rule. I've observed him to be at his most scathingly critical of men when they are exhibiting behavior that remotely resembles being nice to women. For example, if you call your wife from the airplane to tell her you love her, you are "p*ssy whipped" as far as Bill Maher is concerned. That he seems to like or respect a handful of women does not make up for his overall disdainful attitude toward us.

[unpossibles]

49. Kucinich was on there too n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

51. Oh noes!!1! Guess he's got some denouncin' to do too. n/t

[FredScuttle]

60. But there is no roadshow with Maher, Flynt, Stern, et. al.

Just Obama with egg on his face because he cast his lot with a homophobe.

Your point again was???

[mrreowwr_kittty]

62. Well, that was kind of the whole reason I started that statement with 'if'.

It was meant to be hypothetical, you know. Or maybe you don't. :shrug:

[gmudem]

66. Try not to break your arm grasping for those straws.

Maher is really funny and his whole shtick is about saying things that will piss people off. He had a show called "politically incorrent" for a reason and saying he is a mysoginist just doesn't make much sense. Are you really that angry about a Britney Spears joke?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

77. So if Donnie McClurkin switched from bigoted preaching to bigoted jokes

Then it would be okay for Obama to associate with him?

[JTFrog]

67. Ah jeez...

[noamnety]

68. k&r

because I don't understand the philosophical difference some DUers have between homophobia and misogyny - to me it's painfully clear they are both rooted in male supremacy and upholding the patriarchy. Neither should be more or less acceptable than the other, but I see it all the time in liberal circles - homophobia is denounced by the same people who are engaging in misogynistic slurs and attitudes (Olbermann, Maher, not to mention DU members).

We aren't willing to put our foot down and declare ALL forms of oppression unacceptable. People pick and chose which forms they are going to tolerate, like they are picking selections from a menu.

[beaconess]

81. Not to mention how often DUers pooh-pooh racism against blacks when it means one of THEIR oxes

gets gored!

[Catchawave]

69. Maher has a very political savvy audience, remember Politically Incorrect?

Probably not everybody's cup of tea, but I'm a fan, and glad Edwards went on to reach a more intelligent audience than Tweety's :D

I'm a woman, and have never found Maher offensive. I even spent $100 to see him live on Broadway :applause:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

76. I'm not comparing Maher to Tweety. I'm comparing him to Donnie McClurkin.

He's the homophobic gospel singer.

So Maher's misogyny is okay because his audience is 'savvy'?

What assumptions do you make about the audience who goes to see McClurkin?

Just curious. If his audience is equally 'savvy' does that make his bigotry okay?

[MalloyLiberal]

71. Funny, because Obama and Feingold have been on Maher before

WHERE ARE THE DENOUNCEMENTS!!!!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

75. Let's get 'em going! n/t

[Name removed]

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[NaturalHigh]

84. Oh, good grief.

He can go on whatever show he wants and accept any endorsements he wants. If you don't like it, don't vote for him.

Some people need to turn down their outrage meters a few notches. None of us is obligated to be pissed off every time some group decides to redefine political correctness.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

85. I agree with you. I neglected to put the sarcasm thingy on my post.

I think Edwards is a great guy and I don't think Maher's views reflect his. If he got the nod I would support him in a second. I can't stand Maher but I don't fault Edwards for getting helpful exposure and endorsements wherever he can. He's trying to get elected and Real Time is a hugely popular show with an important demographic. Obama is trying to get elected and McClurkin is a hugely popular entertainer with an important demographic. If people on DU are going to demand Obama's head for (probably inadvertently) associating with a homophobe like Donnie McClurkin, then they should also take other candidates to task for the views of the celebrities they court. But in the case of Edwards it wouldn't even occur to them. Because misogyny is not nearly as problematic to the progressive community as other forms of bigotry. You can see that from the responses in this thread.