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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:02 PM
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Poll question: If a Muslim or a Christian tells you that according to his religion
homosexuality is not God's will, and that he holds the views of his religion as a sacred, is this person a BIGOT?

Let's see.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:03 PM
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1. I'm just askin...
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:05 PM
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2. Very likely, but it depends on what they do with it...
I mean they can say "we're all sinners, we all go against God's will in some way and its not man's place to judge in any way" and believe that without being bigots, but that's not commonly the case.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:06 PM
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3. How about
If a Christian tells you that according to his religion, black people bear the "mark of Cain" and are despised by God, is that person a BIGOT?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM
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6. Well, it's the same question with a different situation.
Still the same question.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:09 PM
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9. So, do you think a person should hold the same opinion on both? n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:11 PM
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14. Of course. For me religion is dangerous
because it censors difference and promotes exclusion. However, as long as religion doesn't influence legislation I couldn't give a damn about it.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:07 PM
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4. Why should I abide by a religion that was created in a foreign land
for a different time is what I would tell them.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:07 PM
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5. if they apply their myths, fairy tales, fantasies and obsolete thinking. to others...yes nt
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM
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7. Let's change that question to...
If they said abortion was against their religion.

What would your next question be?

Do they think that should be the LAW?

Because some people separate their religious views from public policy.

The big difference is when they merge the two, and advocate and support legislation to enforce their religious beliefs on everyone else.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:11 PM
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12. Agreed
And at least from my observation there is an increasing trend of people who do separate the two.

I do know several people who believe that homosexuality is immoral but have no problem with legalizing Gay Marriage because they don't believe it's their job to enact their personal beliefs on others.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:24 PM
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22. The OP is talking about bigotry, not policy, if a racist hates all races but their own...
but keeps it largely to themselves, and try not to interfere with others, are they still a racist?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:08 PM
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8. Dupe n/t
Edited on Mon Oct-22-07 10:13 PM by Hippo_Tron
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:09 PM
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10. yes-- culturally sanctioned bigotry is bigotry just the same....
I'm normally a pretty stand up cultural relativist, but even I can recognize that bigotry is bigotry even when sanctioned by culture.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:10 PM
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11. When there are other Muslims and Christians who have a different opinion...
then it's not because of their religion. They're just using scripture to justify their bigotry.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:11 PM
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13. Exactly! (nt)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:16 PM
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15. Try this out and see if it reads differently >
Americans are free to chose their faiths. Lots of people change religious views, political views, social views... so such views are to some degree optional. (Not 100% optional, only because it's tough to hold people fully responsible for the results of indoctrination. But unlike some places, there is no legal barrier here to changing your views.)

"If a Muslim or a Christian tells you that according to his religion homosexuality is not God's will, and that he has chosen to hold the views of his religion as a sacred, is this person a BIGOT?"

The admission of volition does put a different face on it, no? "This is what I chose to believe."

So I would feel okay saying, "you have made a fucked up choice."

I imagine there are people out there who have chosen to view Ann Coulter's books as gospel.



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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:17 PM
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16. There's a difference between tolerance and acceptance
According to Merriam Webster Online

bigot
One entry found.

bigot

Main Entry:
big·ot Listen to the pronunciation of bigot
Pronunciation:
\ˈbi-gət\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French, hypocrite, bigot
Date:
1660

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed Listen to the pronunciation of bigoted \-gə-təd\ adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb

Strictly speaking in order to be a bigot someone has to be intolerant of homosexuality. The person you describe above may be tolerant of homosexuality but they may not be accepting of it. If that is the case, that person would not be a bigot.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:19 PM
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17. Zeus and the other gods on Mount Olympus are the true gods
all other religions are false.

My favorite god is Bacchus!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:20 PM
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18. African gods > European gods
Olorum beats them all! :)
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:20 PM
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19. Yes the same way if one of them said that blacks carry the mark of Cain...
I would call them a bigot and racist.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:22 PM
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20. It's the same question. Deserves the same answer.
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Sandaasu Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:24 PM
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21. Yes, of course, But sadly, I'd bet some people, even here, would vote differently in that case. (nt)
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:27 PM
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23. The fact of the matter is that people with bigoted worldview, when religious...
will find a religious justification for it. Christians, in general, pick and choose which verses and stories to emphasize and which to either ignore or minimize, that doesn't mean that bigoted views should be respected, in fact, they should be denigrated, vigorously.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 12:37 AM
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24. Dualism leads to bigotry, division and violence, Non dualism leads to love and harmony.
It is possible to be Muslim or Christian and practice non dualism.
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