What if Obama found out a featured attendee called being white "a curse" & "not in God's plan"

[Divine Discontent]

Go ahead, check my posts, Obama has repeatedly been mentioned by me for the past several months as my backup to John Edwards.

Now this happens. And I know who Donnie is, and I used to love his music until I heard his hateful bigotry (there's plenty of evidence of that many have already read about).

So, would Obama, in hearing that a well known attendee at one of his functions had said that white skinned people are cursed, and not in God's plan - he wouldn't ask that person to not show up?


Again, the gay people and their defenders (who are more honorable than any of the souls I've met on the planet! seriously, to defend gay people the way you do makes you glowingly angelic-like) get ignored as just being whiny and told, "there's nothing wrong with having these views, it's an opinion, they're not advocating violence after all".


All I can say, is after several years on DU, I realize, there's about 2/3 the place that are true liberals and the others want to think they are, but their continued comments showing they don't believe being gay holds any right to having the same treatment they receive, really shows their true colors.


check out what Wayne Besen has to say about this at:

http://www.waynebesen.com/

[ecstatic]

1. In order for that scenario to be parallel, the one saying it would have to be white

How does that change things?

[varkam]

2. I don't think that is the main point.

I think the point is that one can not choose race or orientation.

[Divine Discontent]

4. first, Obama is half-white if that matters

but I'm saying, I think he would quickly cancel the person from his campaign function, especially considering that whites are the majority of voters in the US.

[ecstatic]

7. He would cancel an anti-white white man?

I'm just trying to compare apples to apples.

An anti-white white man, just as an anti-gay gay man, is not someone who many people would take seriously. Self-loathing people tend to be pretty harmless and ineffective in their messages.

[Divine Discontent]

12. I understand what you're saying, let me clarify

Most people see Senator Obama as "black". So, I figured I'd use the white guy as an example, because if I used black, why would Obama have him at his rally.

My point is, that it seems it's still OK in America to shit on gay people and their request to be given equal treatment. I doubt sincerely that if it was an ethnicity that Mr. McClurkin was railing against in his daily living, Sen. O wouldn't just denounce his words, but would also cancel him from the show, but since it's gay people, it's not going to be made a priority to cancel him in fear of offending African Americans by telling the (African American gospel singer) that he's not welcome. This is unfortunate, but they should really have a one or two person staff on every presidential committee who types in guests names in google for quotes or something. I would. This could have been prevented. I hope he does more than just admonishes his words but requests him to not show up and just swallows it. Being a 1st time presidential candidate isn't easy, I'm sure.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. If Obama excludes him from the show, will that be enough?

He has already issued a statement denouncing his views. I don't know what Obama plans to do, and I seriously hope he takes the guy off the roster. If he does, will you forgive him for making a mistake? Or will you, as many on threads about it have indicated, regard him as persona non grata because he "should have known!" and "this proves he has poor judgement!" You enjoyed his music at one time. Isn't it possible that Obama did as well, and only recently found out about his positions, just as you did?

[Divine Discontent]

5. Correct

I would forgive him, as is my nature & belief, and be very positive about his mature choice in the matter.

[Solon]

6. Yes. n/t

[Sandaasu]

8. For me, it would be enoguh

It is crucial though that he removes McCloset from that concert. As long as he's still on that roster, I'm feeling like I've been sold out to pander to the fundies.

[Divine Discontent]

10. your last sentence is pulling on my heart, I feel ya

yes, that's how it feels when this stuff happens to us. Standing up for us doesn't make the candidate look as if they're saying those who disagree with gays aren't going to heaven, but ----- in allowing people as HEAVILY anti-gay as Donnie is, who make it a big part of his life, makes me feel like the candidate is agreeing with them that we're not in God's plan.


Despite what they say or do, I believe I know where I am going, but it still hurts nonetheless because I'm a human being....

thanks

[illinoisprogressive]

9. oh please. let it rest. obama feels sorry for this guy. it's that simple.

[AlCzervik]

11. someone better call you a Waaaaaambulance.

[Divine Discontent]

13. "oh please. let it rest."

go to the back of the bus and shut the hell up queer.


that's how this comes across, regardless of what your intention is. look - I like Sen. Obama, and if Edwards drops out because he doesn't get 25% in Iowa (which I hope doesn't happen), Sen. Obama is my backup instead of the corporation's best friend in waiting, HRC. So, how about you show some damn respect for people's frustrations over this.

[MADem]

14. FWIW....

I am an undecided voter, I like what the top three are saying, and even find the lower tier interesting, too. I am in no hurry to make up my mind--I have all the time in the world.

That said, this BOTHERS me. Genuinely.

I realize that a lot of the complaints we see here on DU are bullshit "fake outrage" complaints, designed to tear down a candidate just to score points, or demoralize that candidate's supporters.

Now, I am not a dedicated Obama supporter, but I liked him and was warming to his message a bit, but the fact that he would do this, as I said, BOTHERS me. He promised something other than Politics As Usual. His big sales points were fresh ideas, not being a stale politician, INCLUSIVENESS....and he's not delivering on that last one with this stunt. This one is as bad as McCain snuggling up to the Confederates, and it's worse than Trent Lott's praise of Strom Thurmond at his birthday party.

It is "Go to the back of the bus, shut up...oh, and don't take this too seriously--I'm just doing this to secure votes in the irrevocably bigoted subsector of the black community." That's how it comes across.

I really don't think Obama is bigoted, but it's the old "First they came for the Jews..." routine. You can't sit quietly by. And by snuggling up to this homophobe-singer, he's just asking for trouble unless he comes out with a clarification and a denunciation of the guy's hate speech.

[obamian]

15. There is no other candidate who has spoke out more about homophobia in the black community

than Obama. Here is Obama discussing how he would deal with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJS2fX3PaQ

Donnie isn't going to speaking out against homosexuality. He's going to be singing his songs which actually are pretty inspirational: http://youtube.com/watch?v=sYa5MY3MRXc

[LeftCoast]

16. As others have said, talk is cheap

Actions can speak far louder than words.

[AlCzervik]

17. no. he shouldn't be performing.

[MADem]

18. Well, Obama has "denounced" the singer, sort of. There are threads on it.

But he hasn't cancelled appearing with the guy.

Some in the gay community are having trouble with his "denouncement" though. I don't think he's solved the problem.

He'll probably be firing his religious outreach advisor pretty quick...