Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Paul Jenkins (Huff Post) — Obama and McClurkin: Don't Care

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:14 PM
Original message
Paul Jenkins (Huff Post) — Obama and McClurkin: Don't Care
And another side:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-jenkins/obama-and-mcclurkin-don_b_69556.html


In this game, all candidates have been associated with homophobes. For instance, Hillary Clinton recently trumpeted her friendship with Harold Mayberry, of the First African Methodist Church in Oakland; her press release on the meeting/endorsement left out the fact that Mayberry believes homosexuality to be comparable to thievery.

This campaigning compartmentalization has lead to the absurdity of Democrats rediscovering the value of states' rights, after the brief 1960s folly of empowering the federal government to have a say in the minor matter of local civil rights; segregationist Democratic party greats such as George Wallace would feel vindicated. The irony is thick: Democrats can't get enough of the federal government regulating every aspect of our lives, except on the one issue of same-sex marriage.

More bluntly, the leading Democratic candidates' stance on same-sex marriage is in itself homophobic, although I don't completely blame Clinton, Obama or John Edwards (actually, him I do blame for being a coward and trying to have it both ways by hiding behind both his faith and his wife). They are making a political calculation, and it is their right to do so; it is for the rest of us to show that calculation to be increasingly flawed.

His association with a fool like McClurkin notwithstanding, Obama easily remains the most convincing on the issue of gay rights. He is by far the most comfortably eloquent on the subject, and he is right when he says that he is the only candidate who has brought the fight to some of its toughest frontiers. Clinton, Ms. DOMA, is fine in front of a Human Rights Campaign audience, but, as with everything else, overly cautious elsewhere. As for Edwards, his stated "struggle" on the issue of gay marriage is not exactly inspiring, especially coming from Mr. Slick on every other topic. And, of course, we love Dennis Kucinich, but we are not going there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 05:23 PM
Response to Original message
1. Thank you, NYCGirl for posting some much needed perspective.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemFemme Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:53 PM
Response to Original message
2. I was making some of these same points yesterday, though far less well.
Edited on Tue Oct-23-07 06:55 PM by DemFemme
All of the Democratic candidates have similar positions on GLBT rights. Strangely enough, I don't see the outrage extending
to Hillary's endorsement by Rev. Mayberry from some of the more self-righteous partisans on this board. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 06:58 PM
Response to Original message
3. Thanks for posting this.
The article is right on.

Obama's the best choice, including on GLBT issues.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:03 PM
Response to Original message
4. We need to do a three cheers for NYCGirl
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. Hip, hip, hooray!
Thank you NYCGirl for being right on time with this article!:applause: :kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:07 PM
Response to Original message
5. This is a big reason why I don't like any of those 3 candidates, doesn't excuse any of them...
I'm frankly disgusted at all the apologists for homophobia and hatred!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Exactly
I don't like any of the candidates cozying up to these creeps.

But using this to excuse bigotry ia despicable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. You know what I find revealing, I've not seen one of these apologists even condemn the bigotry...
displayed as actual bigotry. All we see is halfhearted "I disagree with this view, but...." excuses, which I find quite revealing, don't you agree?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Yes.
"Donnie was raped at 8". "Well, Clinton has had a bigot endorse her" (that one semmingly like a broken record). Etc, etc.

Not one single word about how harmful the bigotry is, not one word of condemnation as to homophobia itself. Just...excuses.

Complete agree with you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. "Its a religious belief...", "They just believe in the Bible...", "They were raised that way...."
Excuses on top of excuses, I'm beginning to doubt that these people even tolerate GBLT people at all, I'm thinking not.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. At the very least, just pure apathy.
I've seen the analogy around here...if a Democratic candidate hired a racist for some campaign event, what would be the reaction? And all of us would condemn that candidate. But, well...to hire a person who says that homosexuality is a "curse", who champions the "ex-gay" movement espouses the worst kind of hypocrisy. And it's.."eh. So what?" It just cements my belief that there are people around DU who seem to share the same beliefs about GLBT people as the bigots we've been dealing with all of our lives.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. I just change the name of the concert to Jerry Falwell's
gospel tour, and I know exactly what the reaction to the McBigot singers would be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #9
17. Someone else said he was actually LAUGHING about the whole thing.
:mad:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sick_of_Rethuggery Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:35 PM
Response to Original message
12. I came here to post this!
Thank you!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:43 PM
Response to Original message
14. Kick for perspective!
:dem:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-23-07 08:45 PM
Response to Original message
15. This is a GREAT analysis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 09:09 AM
Response to Original message
16. morning kick
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:32 PM
Response to Original message
18. I'm not being facetious, but, what did Kucinich say or do?
I have yet to read an explanation of why "we are not going there". Could someone explain it to me?:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 06th 2024, 04:24 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC