The root cause of the deep unease about Hillary.

[cleveramerican]

Oh Yeah
I'm going there
Monica Lewinsky
Don't even try to pretend it won't be an issue, It will be.
Don't even try to pretend it won't be talked about
over and over by all the late night comedians.


Who wants to relive all of that?
Who wants to hear the jokes, the discussions all over again?
Who isn't appalled by the whole matter?
Who wants to go back to THIS Discussion?



This is the tip of the root cause of all the deep unease democrats feel about Hillary.

[monmouth]

1. I can only speak for myself, but I have not met one, not one person

who would consider HRC as a vote for POTUS. I'm in Florida, but lots of Dems where I am in Palm Beach County. I truly wonder about her "numbers." I think the OP is absolutely correct, and I for one, do not want to have to relive those horrors...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Why Do You Have Clinton On Your Avatar Then?

The OP is suggesting he's a joke...

[monmouth]

87. I liked him and still do...????

[BootinUp]

33. "her numbers"

Clearly its a conspiracy of mind blowing proportions, your observations are much more reliable.


:sarcasm:

[monmouth]

88. Oh please....

[pnwmom]

40. Are you talking about the primary or the general?

[youthere]

50. I haven't either...but clearly from the polls she has plenty of support.

I don't doubt her numbers.

[Clark2008]

53. I do.

Look, I know TONS of people - I have to in my profession - and I don't know a soul who's interested in here.

It's odd that this dichotomy plays out daily on this board (and others): the polls show her well ahead, but no one, personally, knows anyone who's planning to vote for her.

It's odd - that.

[truebrit71]

69. I have yet to meet a fellow Dem that will support her/vote for her/likes her...

...not a single one...

I also know a few RW'ers (the more moderate kind) that are embarrassed by their current guy and are planning to take the next GE off....UNLESS HRC is the nom...

They ALL know that she's poison...

[hfojvt]

79. I have met quite a few

My county chair for one. At the recent Kansas Democratic Convention in Wichita, where I helped out at the Edwards table, the Clinton table two tables over was doing a brisk business. The woman at the Union table in between us even donated money to her, even though the other guy at the Edwards table was a member of that Union.

So, there are at least some in Kansas. Plus, she had a $500 a plate fundraiser here that was well attended. Also, when she did her book tour, she signed about 3,000 books in Kansas City. But even I was gonna try to get a signed book for my mom, even though neither I nor my mom like her. I just thought it would be ironic since I have claimed since 1999 that "My mom was born in New York, so I am more of a New Yorker than Hillary is!"

[OKNancy]

2. Oh, I don't think that should be a problem

First unless the Republicans nominate Romney, I doubt it will be much of an issue.
Rudi, for example, actually did the deed and has an even worse personal background than Bill...and of course Hillary didn't do anything except stand by her man ( ironic isn't it?)

Secondly, the Clinton campaign is tough. They would probably find a way to turn it around or counter it. They are good, very,very good.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. At Least Hill And Bill Didn't Marry Their Brother Or Sister

Excuse me , Rude(e) married his cousin...

[Perry Logan]

3. The root cause is 15 years of incontinent slander by the right-wing slime machine.

Any "unease" over Hillary is a triumph of the right-wing slime machine and would exist irrespective of her policies or her personality.

As we all know, the U.S. media news is a propaganda machine beyond anything ever seen. We also know the degenerate Right has always hated the Clintons with a special venom and has broken all world records for slandering them. I submit that no one can possibly hear someone smeared that much and not internalize it.

I cite half of the posts at DU as proof.

It's basic neurology. We like to tell ourselves we can filter out the propaganda...but we can't really do it. The people most opposed to Hillary are obviously much more susceptible than most people to this effect. They hate Hillary and think it's their own idea. You can tell from their posts that they actually think they're brilliant for hating Hillary. Such is the nature of brainwashing.

The same process will continue when Hillary is President. The media will say she's doing a lousy job no matter what she does and will not report anything she accomplishes--the same thing they just did with Congress.

You'll notice that most DUers completely accept the false meme that the Democrats in Congress wimped out--even though the Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years and backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time. But repetition has trumped reality--even here at DU.

The right-dominated media was going to say the Democrats in Congress failed no matter what. The media will always say the Democrats failed in everything. What's more, they say it so repetitively, most DUers come here to repeat what they've just heard a million times--falsely believing it's their own idea. They are firmly under the thumb of the mainstream media but have no idea of it.

Once again, you'll notice that the most brainwashed people at DU are the ones who think they're most brilliant. It seems to be a side-effect of the process.

Your "unease" with Hillary will continue until you observe a strict fast from corporate news sources--and progressive sources that repeat corporate memes. Otherwise, you'll go on distrusting your own leaders, hating your own party, hurting your own party, and in general believing what Republicans want you to believe.

[wyldwolf]

11. and seven years of slander by the left wing wind-up toy

[unpossibles]

70. I wish I could recommend a single post and not the whole thread

thank you.

I don't know how more people don't get this. Maybe it's because I seldom watch TV, so I miss most of the media dreck and mudslinging.

[Old and In the Way]

4. Does it bother you?

I'd happily take 8 more years of Clinton Presidency over any candidate the Republican Syndicate puts up. Do you really believe the RW bluster about how eager they are to face Hillary? Remember, 65% of the people thought Bill's impeachment was BS. And he was the most competent and able President I lived under. Hillary might not be my first choice, but I'll be happy to watch the collective melt-down of the Republican Party should she get the nomination.

[bpeale]

76. i wouldn't & i don't think the electorate at large would either

i think there is a lot of clinton & bush fatigue with the electorate. if she's the nominee i might well stay home myself.

[Old and In the Way]

89. What fatigues you about Clinton? The Republican Inquisition?

You don't think the RW machine will smear any Democrat elected? Personally, I don't give a shit what you decide to do. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee...you can either vote Democrat, continue to work to take the country back...or you can enable Republicans to continue their agenda. Up to you. But don't blame Democrats for "Clinton fatigue"...thats total BS.

[bpeale]

93. quite frankly i'm tired of seeing her face & hearing her voice

and i'm sick to death of hearing her triangulating & equivocating on every single issue. and i hate feeling like i'm being steamrolled by the clinton machine.

[napi21]

5. Oh BS! It doesn't matter WHO our canidate is, the RW will find

SOMETHING.

If it's Edwards, they'll be constantly checking on the price of hs haicuts nd taking long photo shots of his home in NC.

If it's Obama, they'll be checking his lapel for a flag pin and who knows what other stupid unimportant dumb thing.

I really doubt they'll drag Monica nto the mix. They'll pick on her every decision asking if a MAN would have done THAT, or if she reall made that decision herself, but I doubt it will be Monica.

[Think82]

58. RW won't find...

If it's BIDEN, they'll be.... shitting their pants. They would be destroyed. BIDEN 08!

[napi21]

61. Biden is MY candidate too, but don't kid yourself that they won't

hammer him with all their BS too. If they don't find any dirt, they'll just make shit up! It's their MO!!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Can We Nominate This For The Dumbest Post On The "Internets"

DSB

[MGKrebs]

7. I think your questions are just what Clinton would/will say.

Let's face it: Clinton isn't going to bring that stuff up, and when opponents do, isn't all she has to say - "Who wants to relive all of that?"

[AndyA]

10. The root cause of the deep unease about Hillary lies directly at Hillary's feet.

You can't blame this one on Bill or Monica, although some will attempt to frame it in that manner.

Hillary won't take a position on anything. She fudges, changes her mind, makes decisions based on the direction the wind is blowing at that particular time, or the audience she's speaking to at that moment.

She always has one foot on the boat, the other on the dock. And I'm sick of politicians who do that. I'm sick of politicians period, and therein I believe lies the problem with Hillary.

She just needs to plainly state her stance, and let the people decide if they agree with her or not. She isn't going to get everyone to agree with her, and she should know that.

And for starters, she could apologize for voting for the IWR, state it was a bad vote, and that she will do everything she possibly can to end the war as quickly as possible, since we have no business being over there in the first place. We got rid of an abusive dictator in Iraq, and we've allowed ourselves to be inflicted with the same thing here in the United States.

End the war.

Impeach Bush/Cheney.

Take a stand, and stick to it, Hillary.

[niceypoo]

12. Who cares what the republicans say?

No matter who wins the nomination the right will foam at the mouth. Dont fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

[durrrty libby]

13. You are wrong. People do not obsess over Bill's BJ. They are too

busy obsessing over getting their next one.

Please get a grip and hold on tight, or look for some other way to further

your Hate Hill agenda.:evilgrin:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Did You Get My PM

I needed to clarify something.

DSB

[durrrty libby]

17. Yes ..it's all good. I replied in the thread about the "Godfather mattresses"

It took me a while to remember where that I heard that line.:P

[BootinUp]

14. Disagree

It has more to do with the net roots rejection of triangulation (read politics).

I find it humorous that the there is no viable candidate for the net roots, secondly that the net roots is nothing but a Democrat bash fest that has nothing positive to add except to the Republican effort.

[durrrty libby]

18. Please spell it correctly......nutroots

:-)

[BootinUp]

28. oops, thanks.

:)

[Clark2008]

54. And thank you for that right wing meme.

:eyes:

[durrrty libby]

64. Nah, plenty of wingers on the nutroots.It's universal

[flvegan]

16. Kennedy's infidelity didn't seem to cause much "unease" did it?

I think there's much more to this "unease" than Monica's oral talents.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Because We Didn't Know About It At The Time

But Headgate is old news...

[LoZoccolo]

20. Clinton's approval rating increased during the "scandal".

People defended him for it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Don't Confuse The Poster With Facts...It Will Only Upset Him

DSB

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. No it isn't the root cause is the success of the right-wing propaganda machine

The media + 12 years of constant lies-twists-distortions helped to define her. And even 'progressives' bought into the lies. We trusted the media to dig rather than be the spoon-fed mouth piece of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

I personally do not want to see them win. And every time someone on the 'progressive' board regurgitates these lies-twists-distortions they are letting the vast right-wing conspiracy machine win.

[antiimperialist]

23. The unease is only existent in the blogosphere

Hil has a very comfortable lead over the rest of Dems.

[BeyondGeography]

24. A symptom of the deeper problem, which is the utter emptiness and absurdity of the Clintons

Imagine a married couple that is killing themselves to get back to the scene of what is, for most normal human beings, the thing you most want to forget.

And then you have Bill saying he wants this for Hillary as payback for all the hurt he caused. That's right, honey, to make up up for all of that, I'll do my best to get you right back to the scene of the crime. There never was a reckoning for Bill, just the next chapter in the Hillary Aggrandizement Program, which was always, going back many years, the way their marriage survived.

These people are strange.

[Evergreen Emerald]

25. you are basing this opinion on the lies and twists and distortions

that we were bombarded with in the 90's by the vast right-wing conspiracy. The fact that you believe the lies fed to us by the "liberal media" is astounding.

[BeyondGeography]

26. ...

:rofl:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. More Right Wing Tripe

Off to the Greatest Page

I love this site!!!

[durrrty libby]

29. Notice how the OP never bothers to defend their garbage?

Now that is the behavior of a genuine troll :nuke:

[Lisa0825]

30. That's not even in my top 5 reasons.

:eyes:

[PDittie]

31. Nah, that ain't it.

I like Hillary OK. Just got back from the Clinton Library in Little Rock earlier this month. Reminded me of how great those eight years were. Electing her would be like a third term for Bill. How bad could that be, really?

(OK, there is NAFTA and the death penalty and Hill seems more corporate even than Bill, but still ...)

No, the bad news is we lose dozens and dozens of Democrats down-ballot, all throughout the South. Possibly our majority in the House. State legislators, city council members, county commissioners and judges who are Democrats all get washed out in the anti-Hillary red tide.

She sets Texas Democrats back another generation. We're stuck with six more years of Box Turtle Cornyn.

I can't hang with that.

I personally will not support her in the primary, and am having serious reservations about supporting her in the general. If there's a good Green or Indy to the left of her (not Nader) on the ballot in '08, then my choice will be easy.

[truebrit71]

32. "If she can't control her man, how can she control a country?"....

...that one might be popular in the coming months...

[durrrty libby]

35. "If she can't control her man"??? Sounds like a bad C&W song, or

is it more like controlling your bladder?

What century do to live in?


:rofl:

[truebrit71]

36. Dunno...ask the tootless cousin-lovers that "elected" smirk two times in a row...

..If you think the swift-boating of Kerry was bad, just wait 'til Mrs Inevitable gets the nod...

[durrrty libby]

37. "tootless cousin-lovers" Wouldn't that be Giuliani? He'll get plenty

of his own swiftboating from our side

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. I Can't Wait...

Bring it...

When it comes to playing political hardball the Clintons are the Corleones and the Rethugs are the Barzini family...

[truebrit71]

44. Yeah...except for that whole Impeachment thing...

...you're right...:eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Oh, Yeah...I Remember The Day He Left Office In Disgrace

Wait...He left office with a seventy percent approval rating...


This is like shooting fish in a barrel




:rofl:

[truebrit71]

57. He DID leave office in disgrace...

...bullshit approval ratings don't mean shit when it comes to votes...or didn't you pay attention in the last election...

Mrs Inevitable is the right-wing dream candidate...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. Bush's % Of The Vote Was Only Slightly Better Than His Approval Ratings In 04

JOB RATING

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm

PERCENTAGE OF VOTE

http://pollingreport2.com/wh2004a.htm#2way




This is like shooting fish in a barrel...

I'll throw ya a lifeline...These sites might help to construct a decent argument...

http://www.actdu.org.au/archives/actein_site/basicskills.html

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

[truebrit71]

63. He was more hated by the right-wing than any man since JFK...

...his wife more so...

But you keep your head in the sand...

That's fine...

[rinsd]

67. So you want a candidate the rw likes?

[truebrit71]

68. No I want one the rw won't vote AGAINST as MUCH as HRC..and one that DOESN'T...

..motivate the RW to vote..

As it stands right now we have a golden opportunity to take back the WH because the rw hates all of it's own candidates and is generally resigned to the fact that the Dems will be taking over...The ONLY person that changes that dynamic is HRC...the RW will crawl across broken glass to vote against her...and that cannot be said for any other Dem candidate...

[rinsd]

71. Did GOP turnout go up in 2000 or 2006?

"the RW will crawl across broken glass to vote against her"

Your repeating of this sentiment does not make it true or evidenced.

[truebrit71]

72. Was HRC on the ballot for president in either of those years?

....didn't think so...

[rinsd]

73. No, but she did run for Senate and re-election.

Perhaps GOP turnout went up in 1996 when Clinton ran for re-election?

[truebrit71]

75. You tell me...I seem to recall losing control of congress during the Clinton years, no?

What does that tell you?

[rinsd]

77. That's all you have?

To lay the entire blame at the feat of the Clinton for 1994 fails to take in account a half dozen other factors including but not limited to scandals for Democrats with the Congressional bank and post office(similar to the peril the GOP faced in 2006) & a well disciplined GOP running attractive candidates running on promises they would not keep.

Also Dems made net gains in Congress up to 2002 including incredibly rare gains in Clinton's mid 2nd term.

[truebrit71]

83. ..and since then their lapdogs in the MSM have perfected the art of fear-mongering and smears...

....HRC will cost the Dems their shot at the WH...

I seriously can't wait until the actual votes are tallied and Dems reject your candidate en masse...

Then maybe you and your fellow triumphalists will FINALLY wake up and smell the coffee...

[rinsd]

85. Yeah imagine that! Candidate supporters believing their candidate will win!

"I serioulsy can't wait until the actual votes are tallied and Dems reject your candidate en masse."

I wouldn't hold your breathe.



http://www.gallup.com/poll/102001/Fifty-Percent-Democrats-Back-Clinton-Latest-Trial-Heat.aspx

Poll	            Date	Sample	   Clinton	Obama	Edwards	Richardson	Spread
LA Times/Bloomberg	10/19 - 10/22	469 LV	48	17	13	2	Clinton +31.0
Rasmussen	        10/18 - 10/21	750 LV	49	22	12	3	Clinton +27.0
USA Today/Gallup	10/12 - 10/14	500 A	50	21	13	4	Clinton +29.0
CNN	                10/12 - 10/14	485 RV	51	21	15	4	Clinton +30.0
Reuters/Zogby	        10/10 - 10/14	426 LV	46	25	9	2	Clinton +21.0
American Res. Group	10/09 - 10/12	600 LV	45	20	13	3	Clinton +25.0
FOX News	        10/09 - 10/10	377 LV	50	18	11	4	Clinton +32.0

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. Do You Ever Offer Anything Other Than Your Opinions?

Your arguments are worse than Fundy arguments... At least their arguments rest on a book...

[unpossibles]

84. you forgot the most important element in their takeover

the start of the rightwing propaganda machine. Well, not the true start but when it really got going.



You know - the guy who helped convince America that the Clintons sucked, that the media was liberal (thus further enabling the dumbing down of America), and the man who now has a strong foot hold on our necks to the point that people show up here and regurgitate his crap.

Hilary is not my first choice but I think she'll make a good candidate and a better President, and frankly to see so many threaten to not vote for her if she gets the nomination is down-right stupid. They can vote for whomever they want to, but should not be surprised at what happens when they water down the election and the neocons find it even easier to steal the election.

[LanternWaste]

97. The hatred of Clinton by the GOP was equal to that of...

The hatred of Clinton by the GOP was equal to that of FDR, Kennedy, Johnson and Carter. The only difference was that by the time Clinton was president, the GOP had perfected their advertisement of that hate through their media proxies, a luxury they had previously not had.

Anyone who thinks Sen. Clinton will be slimed more by the GOP machine than any other candidate who receives the Democratic nomination is seriously underestimating the GOP...

[rinsd]

66. Except for? We collected the scalps of not just one but two GOP Speakers

[LanternWaste]

95. Or any of the Democratic nominees...

"just wait 'til Mrs Inevitable gets the nod..."

Or any of the Democratic nominees. Anyone who thinks she's the only one with whom the GOP will swift-boat is seriously underestimating the GOP.

[Clark2008]

56. I live in the century in which strong, educated and employable

women should kick cheating spouses out on their asses.

I didn't have NEAR the connections Hillary does/did to get back on my feet and I did it. Why can't she?

I'm telling you, a lot of 30- and 40-something women who have been through a bad marriage think she's an absolute fool for staying with him.

It's a factor - not a major one, but it is a factor.

[durrrty libby]

65. You are projecting. Many more women and men believe in forgiveness

Many also believe in not judging if people find a way to forgive.

Many find it more difficult to forgive that to throw the bum out. It takes a huge trusting heart,
and the ability to see the big picture

She gets a lot of respect from people who admire her forgiving qualities

[bpeale]

78. i find it much easier to forgive after i boot their tired ass to the curb

that's just me though. i could be wrong.

[ecstatic]

46. You can't control a man... and anyone who thinks that is probably getting

cheated on right now, as I type this.

[Clintonista2]

34. Bill was hated because he was popular

Remember how smug the right was once the ML thing started to unfold? Then they watched as his support ROSE. Hillary is exactly the same... the more they attack her, the more her support grows, the more the RW hates her. I love it :evilgrin:

[bigwillq]

39. All of Clinton's baggage

will be an issue. That is one of the problems I have with her.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. You Mean The Man Who Was Voted The Third Best Pres Of All Time

Who would have thought it? Some two years after he left office hounded by right-wing detractors and stained by his affair with Monica Lewinsky, Bill Clinton now ranks as this nation's third best chief executive, according to a recent CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.
Only Abraham Lincoln (chosen by 15%) and John F. Kennedy (13%) finished ahead of Clinton (11%) in the April poll, which asked Americans who was "the greatest" president.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/2003-05-26-wickham_x.htm





And:



At this point, however, the former president is seen in favorable terms. Two-thirds of Americans said they approve of the job he did while he was in office -- virtually the reverse of President Bush's current approval rating, which stands at 33 percent. Clinton remains overwhelmingly popular among Democrats, and 63 percent of independents and even a third of Republicans also gave him positive marks.




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/03/AR2007100302036.html?hpid=topnews



Let's be honest...Folks here don't like her because she's punking their favorite candidate...

[bigwillq]

48. It has nothing to do with Bill's popularity

The baggage I am referring to is Travel Gate, Whitewater, the Lewinsky affair, her DLC ties....If Hillary is elected, I am sure all of that would be brought to the forefront again and that is not the direction I want this country to go. I just feel that with Hillary as the nominee, we will continue to stay in this hostile political climate. I don't think it's going to be easy for any of our nominees (they will be lambasted by the media and the pukes anyway) but with Hillary does bring more baggage, imo, to the table then any of the nominees.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. Bill Clinton Is Much More Of An Asset Than A Liabilty...

He's as loved as Bush* is loathed...And even one third of Pukes now dig his presidency...

[bigwillq]

51. Never said he wasn't an asset

But Hillary has baggage, serious baggage that will be exploited once again if she becomes our nominee.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. It's Old News

Look... This isn't my first rodeo...There are people here who are upset that Clinton is owning their candidate and will latch on to any bit of information to discredit her.It is futile but there is nothing I can do to disabuse people of that notion...

Hill and Bill have more tough in their thumbnails than their opponents have in their whole body and that's why they will win...

[bpeale]

80. right

the very MSM who ran him out of town on a rail (so to speak) are now touting him as "the greatest" anything? like i would believe them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. I Thought It Was The American People Who Liked Him

You know the non-elite folks who gave him a 70% approval rating...

[bpeale]

101. i didn't vote for clinton either time he was elected

but as a president, and considering the sideshow the republicans ran for 8 years, he did a damned fine job. but i still didn't vote for him. and still never would have.

[LanternWaste]

100. Good thing no other candidates have baggage...

Good thing no other candidates have baggage. Good thing the GOP will not exploit the baggage of any other candidate that receives the nomination other than Sen. Clinton. Good thing no other candidate's baggage will be an issue.

Good thing, huh?

[pnwmom]

41. Let 'em try. We'll remind them that they are the party of diaper wearing,

toe-tapping, thrice-married adulterers.

[ecstatic]

42. Wow! Monica Lewinsky is no longer interesting conversation

try again. Nobody gives a damn about that story anymore. Old news.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

103. You must not live in a Red State. nt

[cuke]

45. More right wing tripe from the Hillary Haters

[William769]

47. Hate to burst your bubble but...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3640748

[applegrove]

60. ML has little to do with who Hillary is. Hillary's numbers went up after

the scandal because people saw Hillary as more fully human and put upon - not a machine. I think that is how any ML talk will affect Hillary's campaign.

[Faryn Balyncd]

62. policy

[Forkboy]

74. Who wants to go back to THIS Discussion?

You, apparently.

So far this is the dumb post O the day.It's early yet so someone may top it.Won't be easy though.

[calimary]

81. You can always fall back on the following retort:

Yep. Our guy screwed his wife over. YOUR GUY has screwed the ENTIRE COUNTRY over!!!! Along with most of the Middle East!!!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

82. If you guys want to bring that old crap up, than that's fine.

I'm ready!

[Nedsdag]

86. 2008 is the 10th anniversary.

Prepare yourself for the "Whatever Happened to" stories about Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg, Kathleen Willey, Ken Starr et al.

I know I'm eagerly awaiting them. :sarcasm:

[eridani]

90. Monica? No fecking way. How about Mark Penn? n/t

[BenDavid]

91. The problem with many so called dems or liberals in

here, YOU ALL WANNA LOSE AGAIN.....you want to walk down that same losing road for the third time and run a third, polite, timid "gentleman debater" like Gore and Kerry? Fuck that. I say we run the other half of the team that already beat them twice,
someone who's not going to smile and say, "Oh well, we tried" and then go on vacation with a bunch of Republicans.
Plus, I'll bet my testicles Hillary doesn't go windsurfing during the fight.....

sHALOM
Ben David

[rufus dog]

92. I have deep unease about Hillary

And this reason is not on the list.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. Is This You

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ABE3wvxzA

[LanternWaste]

94. don't hold your breath...

If I meet someone who thinks Lewinsky will be a factor in the elections, I'll let you know. But seriously-- don't hold your breath.

I'm not appalled by the matter.

If we have the same kind of national and international policies we had in the nineties for the most part, I want to relive all of that.

I'd love to hear the jokes again-- because it seems to me that those who dwell on this matter simply advertise themselves as foolish and/or small minded, so I'll know who to discount as such...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

102. No, my unease about that is right on the surface

Granted, this is purely personal but I just need to vent.

Finally, after YEARS of hearing that shit from wingnuts in my midst, I was able to tell them to stick a sock in it. Enough time had passed that even the dimmest bulbs were starting to realize how stupid they sounded by bringing it up in conversation. But now that Hillary Clinton is in the race, they have renewed permission to raise the issue again. Oh joy! I calculate there has been at least a 10 fold increase in the number of Monica references I have been receiving. My b/f got a Monica-themed chain email the other day. He said it had been years since he'd gotten one. I am bracing myself for what are sure to be 8 long years of having creepy losers (wingnuts, natch) try to corner me into conversations about oral sex. One jagoff tried that shit just last week when I was registering voters at an expo. I threatened more than one guy in my workplace with sexual harassment charges circa 1998-99. Looks like I'm going to be doing it again.

I'm going to support Clinton if she is the nominee and I think having our first woman president will be great. But I'm dreading the constant Monica shit that is sure to ensue.