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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:50 AM
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Is Clinton Actually Unelectable? Not So Much...
Zogby International is out with a new poll that has received quite a bit of linkage recently. According to this internet survey, 50 percent of respondents indicated that they would never vote for Hillary Clinton, 5 points higher than any other serious candidate from either side of the aisle. So does this mean that Clinton is unelectable? Ah, not so fast.

It's important to begin a discussion of this poll by thinking back to April, when Zogby released a poll commissioned by Clinton-haters purporting to show that Americans are concerned with corruption linked to the Clintons. As I showed then, Zogby was more than willing to go even beyond the Clinton-haters in drafting unbalanced and biased questions to achieve his end (one question began, "Some people believe that the Bill Clinton administration was corrupt," a statement that almost begs a certain result), indicating a surprising disregard for the truth and perhaps even some deep seated feelings towards the Clintons.

Not only have serious questions been raised about Zogby in relation to the Clintons -- as well as his allegedly improper techniques and his certainly incorrect prediction in 2004 -- but in the past Zogby's internet polling has been reliably unreliable. To give just a few examples from Zogby's final internet polling for the Wall Street Journal ahead of the 2006 midterm elections, Zogby found Bob Beauprez narrowly ahead, though within the margin of error, in the Colorado Governor's race, a race that Beauprez actually lost by 15 points. Similarly, Zogby put Republican Mark Green up, though within the margin of error, in the Wisconsin gubernatorial race, which Democrat Jim Doyle won by 8 points. On the Senate side, Zogby pegged Democrat Sherrod Brown's lead over Republican Mike DeWine at 1.4 points where Brown ended up actually winning by 12 points. The list goes on. Suffice it to say, the results of Zogby's internet polling in 2006 just did not consistently jibe with other polling or the eventual results.

But that's not all. Late last month The Washington Post and ABC NEWS polled almost this exact question and came up with distinctly different results. According to this earlier survey, just 41 percent of respondents indicated that they definitely would not consider voting for Clinton were she the Democratic nominee -- a proportion significantly lower than that found by Zogby and, perhaps even more importantly, one much lower than the 57 percent figure for Mitt Romney and the 54 percent figure for Fred Thompson.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/10/22/122914/95
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:52 AM
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1. Vote for me, I am Hillary I am
Vote for me, I am Hillary I am

by Theodor Seuss Geisel



Vote for me, I am Hillary I am.

Sorry I can not do that ... no way I can.

support me, 'cause I get lots of press?

No sorry because you are part of "the insider's mess"

love me? "cause I gots lots of dough."

Sorry taking all the money from insurance companies
was really low.

Come on you old liberal .... don't cha' know it is a done deal?

No because I think you are one slippery eel.

Vote for me Hillary, because my campaign is a non stop train

But Ms. C. your votes on Iraq and Iran are hard to explain.

Look I am Hillary ... hear me roar ... my poll #s are to big to ignore

Sorry but I like Edwards and loves me some Al Gore.

Get w/ the program and support me, Ms. Hillary now!

Do we have royalty? Here is queen Hillary .... take a bow.

Come on support me .... remember my husband Bill?

Yes and President Edwards can put him in the U.N. .... that would be a thrill.

Why oh why will you not give me your vote?

Gee, Hillary I guess i am just a stubborn old goat.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:55 AM
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2. Glad to see you like that nursery rhyme so much.
Just as I am glad to see Hillarys status with the Majority of Democrats.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:06 AM
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5. Notice how Hillary detractors are becoming so unhinged...
They are all starting to sound like bigDarryl?

Kinda scary...
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:08 AM
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6. Just makes me feel better about Hillary's chances of winning.
:hi:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:58 AM
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3. Hello
I used to go to the ESPN board and some kid there would spam every thread he didn't like...

I hope you're not going to do that...


PEACE

DSB
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:01 AM
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4. Any Republican that thinks Hillary can't win is whistling past the
graveyard.

From a purely pragmatic point of view; the Clinton political machine is damn good, she has more money than God, name recognition is something that can't be bought, the country is nostalgic for the prosperity and peace of the Clinton years and Bill is one hell of an asset.

Is she my favorite? No.

If nominated will she win? Oh hell yeah.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:25 AM
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7. In the "National Clinton Era," the GOP has had four chances to mobilize against the Clintons ...
... five if you count Al Gore's Presidential race.

1992 - After a bruising primary campaign came a dirty General election season where everything the Arkansas Project had dug up or made up on the Clintons was thrown at Bill. He won. (No, there was no Perot effect. Sorry. :( )

1996 - The country had four years to soak up the right wing's Clinton "scandals." He got more votes than Dole and Perot combined.

2000 - The only race with national attention the GOP kinda-sorta won against the Clinton legacy - and they still couldn't rally more people to the polls than Gore did and the only way they took the election was by fraud.

2000 - Hillary's Senate race garnered national attention. She wins in NY 55% to 43%. Maybe NY is only 43% Republican? Maybe they all came out. Who knows.

Exit polls also showed a large gender gap with Clinton running stronger than expected among moderate women and unaffiliated women.

2006 - Hillary's second Senate race again gets national attention. The GOP, sensing she is unbeatable, offer up a sacrificial lamb who gets slaughtered 67% to 31%. That's a 12% GOP drop-off from 2000. Where did they go? Did they stay home or vote for Clinton? This was the second-largest margin of victory for a Senate race in New York history. I'd wager she got a fair share of Republican votes...
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