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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:42 PM
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Fox Thinks Al Qeada Set the CA Wildires?
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 02:05 PM by Vyan

Just like preverbial boogey man of Myth, Fox News sees Al Qeada under every rock. Al Qeada is responsible for the Sunni Insurgency in Iraq. Al Qeada is responsible for Shia Death Squads. Al Qeada in Iraq has been "defeated", except when they haven't. And now, Al Qeada has allegedly set the California Wildfires which have displaced nearly 1 Million people - at least that's what Fox "Newsman" Steve Doocy thinks.

Via Thinkprogress:


This morning on Fox News, hosts of the show Fox and Friends blamed the wildfires in California on a new culprit: al Qaeda. They pointed to a 2003 FBI memo, which raised the possibility that al Qaeda may try to set wildfires around the western United States. They also noted that men in a "hovering helicopter" saw "a guy starting one of these fires."

And, oh yeah, in that reported memo - California wasn't even mentioned.

DOOCY: You’re looking live at pictures from San Diego — Santiago, CA, where the wildfires continue. We were talking earlier in today’s telecast with Adam Housley and apparently police officers in a hovering helicopter saw a guy starting one of these fires. And Allison Allison Camerota, an FBI memo from late in June of this year is popping up this morning and it is ominous.

CAMEROTA: This actually has happened for many years in the past as well. An FBI sent out to local law-enforcement said that an al Qaeda detainee had given them some information that the next wave of terrorism could be in the form of setting wild fires. Adam Housley said lots of people on his block were asking him about it. Obviously this is something the FBI has looked into. They will continue to investigate it.

Oh, a Detainee said so? Well, geez, we know we can certainly take that one to the bank. I mean, Curveball was just so SPOT. ON. with the mobile labs wasn't he?

CARLSON: If they have this person in custody it probably won’t take long to be able to develop a link if there is one.

KILMEADE: A June 25 memo from the FBI’s Denver offices reported three days ago, excuse me, five days ago, by the Arizona Republic, that is a newspaper, they have been carrying the story and they continue to expand upon it.

DOOCY: Brian, the plot they say, according to this detainee, and they don’t know if the detainee is telling the truth. The plot was to set three or four wildfires. But they don’t mention California. They mention Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming. We do know for a fact that a number of the fires in southern California are of a suspicious nature and they are investigating arson.

It's fair to argue that there has been some evidence of arson in the California Wildires. This has been a situation that has gone back for generations, year in and year out - since as a matter of fact - most of Southern Calfornia is a mild desert! But to state that their might be active al-Qeada cells and sympathizers in HelL-A is going a bit far.

Not that CNN'S Glen Beck hasn't already been circling that block with his claim that it's...

"unfortunate that a handful of people who hate America ... are losing their homes in a forest fire today".

Is it "unfortunate" that they lost their homes or "unfortunate" that the supposedly "Hate America" by becoming successful in the entertainment industry? Which one is it Glen?

Of course now he's claiming that this was just a joke and is now playing the well worn right-wing victim card. Y'see it's all those lefty liberal bloggers who are really the mean people.

BECK: Let me get to your phone calls here in a second. I want to have a -- I want to have a frank and open conversation with you here for a second. Apparently, I have upset a few liberal bloggers. Woe is me. And I need to be extraordinarily clear on one thing. Not with you. And I'll explain in a second.

These people -- they're amazing. They're incredible. They claim that I'm serious when I'm joking and try to cause trouble, and then they say I'm joking when I'm serious and try to cause trouble. There's no way -- if you disagree with any of these people -- there's no way that you can ever win. And here's the interesting thing: Even if you agree with these people, there's no way you can ever win.

If you've listened to me for years, you know wildfires are deeply personal to me. Wildfires make blood shoot out of my eyes. But for the bloggers, it doesn't matter what I really think. It doesn't -- they're not trying to convince you I'm a bad guy. You know. You know who I am. What they're trying to do is convince people who don't watch the TV show, who don't listen to the show. They're trying to convince them that I'm an evil supervillain.

Because those people can be convinced. So let me just -- let me tell you, so you know, so you can tell those who want to make me into an evil supervillain. Who do you have to be to think that it's a good thing that anybody's house burns down? Who do you have to be?

Who do you have to be Glenn? Maybe you have to be a guy That thinks it's FUNNY that people's homes have burned down when you disagree with (some of) them politically??

How could we ever think anyone on the right-wing would stoop so low as to make fun of people who've lost every possession in the worst firestorm in history, after they've been so kind in their responses to people like Graeme Frost, Bethany Wilkerson, The 82nd Airborne, Capt Jon Soltz, Micheal J. Fox, John Edwards, Cindy Sheehan and the 9-11 Widows?

After they've attacked sick kids, why exactly would anyone think twice about Beck and his ilk attacking the victims of a massive fire?

But not to worry, it was just a joke - minus the funny part.

And who knew that the right-wing hated the rich people who live in expensive houses on the hill so much? Maybe they can get them some fresh juicy new tax cuts to help buy a new house somewhere else as long as it isn't already flooded with the other kinds of people - y'know the middle-class and the poor? And while they're at it how about a few man-made Islands or something for the looming construction boom of new Luxury Condos far away from anyone who can't afford them? That outta be Posh, like totally Paris and Nicole.

One big problem with Glenn's entire view is that so much of these fires have affected Orange County and San Diego, both of whom are giant Red Swaths in an otherwise Blue State. Orange County was so gracious that they've bought us both Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan not to mention B-1 Bob Dornan, Dana Rorbacher (sic) and from San Diego we've have had Duke Cunningham, Jerry Lewis and Darrell Issa.

If you subscribe to the Fixed News view of things on the other hand, the ones who "Hate America" are apparently the enormous enclave of Islamo Fascists who've decided their best weapon against the Imperialism of the West is to Flick a Bic. In that case, trying to burn down John Wayne's house almost makes sense.

And all this time while Fox and Beck are keeping us distracted with their pathological nuttiness - the real issues raised by these fires goes ignored while the White House Censors the head of CDC on the issue of the human impacts of Climate Change.

Today, Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, testified before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee on the "Human Impacts of Global Warming." Gerberding told the committee that global warming "is anticipated to have a broad range of impacts on the health of Americans," but gave few specifics, instead focusing on CDC’s current preparation plans.

CDC officials are now revealing that the White House heavily edited Gerberding’s testimony, which originally was longer and had more "information on health risks":

"It was eviscerated," said a CDC official, familiar with both versions, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the review process.

The official said that while it is customary for testimony to be changed in a White House review, these changes were particularly "heavy-handed," with the document cut from its original 14 pages to four. It was six pages as presented to the Senate committee.

The White House’s deletions included "details on how many people might be adversely affected because of increased warming and the scientific basis for some of the CDC’s analysis on what kinds of diseases might be spread in a warmer climate and rising sea levels."

I'm thinking right now that one particular risk happens to be trying to breath in a smoke cloud so large you can See it from Space!

So while Fox is chasing phantom al Qeada in the hills of Malibu (just as they've been chasing phantom AQI through the streets of Najaf and Fallujah for four years now) the impacts of gradual and steady planetary warming, which can clearly contribute to the types of dry conditions that help facilitate the tragedy that hit Southern California, remain ignored and forgotten by an Administration that has a long history of denying fact and science.

Vyan

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:44 PM
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1. Didn't know AQ was that old
and if they set it up... obviously they are fighting us over here, so we need our troops back

Thansk boys, can the troops come home now?
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 01:47 PM
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2. You got to have an invisible enemy.
It is just necessary, for fascism to work...
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:15 PM
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3. and to think we were worried about dirty bombs
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:19 PM
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4. Can't be al Qeada, we're fighting them OVER THERE
remember silly
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:21 PM
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5. Damn, I was sure it was Iran
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:31 PM
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6. Fox's theory is wild speculation. Here is the mirror image of Fox's wild speculation.
While we are wildly speculating, have you noticed how the fires neatly avoided the land on which Blackwater is trying to get to build its western facility? Look at a map. The fires all occurred just west and north of the property on which Blackwater's future home is to be built.

Now, if I were to wildly speculate, here is how my bogus conspiracy theory would go. May I repeat that: THIS IS A BOGUS CONSPIRACY THEORY (but ain't it fun)! Sherlock Holmes and Perry Mason to the rescue. Here is how I would spin my BOGUS CONSPIRACY THEORY.

Motive, opportunity -- two of the elements that suggest guilt.

Blackwater had the motive: Neighbors of the land on which it wants to build its facility and a segment of San Diegans in general have been protesting the building of the paramilitary camp so near to their homes and city. The motive of Blackwater would have been threefold (according to my BOGUS CONSPIRACY THEORY): 1) get rid of the neighbors or at least a good number of them altogether; 2) distract the neighbors and activists in San Diego by creating fear and causing them to think about their immediate survival as opposed to the threat of a Blackwater camp so near to their homes; 3) stir up terror in the generally rather conservative population in and around San Diego who just might (pursuant to the Shock Doctrine of Naomi Klein) support the Blackwater camp.

Blackwater had the opportunity -- Blackwater is agitating in the area. They are trying to get whatever they need to build their facility as I understand it. 'Nuff said. Blackwater is/was there. Blackwater has the people, the power and the money to get things done without leaving footprints.

As for the Faux news BOGUS CONSPIRACY THEORY. Unless you are gullible enough to believe that Al Qaeda has 755,000 foot soldiers in the U.S., why in the world would Al Qaeda waste manpower, reputation and money on setting fires in the suburbs of San Diego, Los Angeles, San Bernardino or Orange Counties? Have any Faux news reporters ever visited Ramona? How about Running Springs? Admittedly, I haven't been in Ramona for maybe 13-15 years, but last time I was there, we couldn't find anything good to eat. As I recall the best menu was at an orange juice stand. I'm sure that tract house developments, strip malls and fast food eateries have mushroomed since then. But Ramona is still not much more than a hole in the desert brush. And the suburbs of San Diego? Hardly matches the high profile targets that Al Qaeda supposedly favors such as US Navy ships, the Pentagon, the Twin Towers, the seat of the federal government in Washington. Faux's theory just does not make sense. At least not compared to my BOGUS CONSPIRACY THEORY.

So, there Faux News. My CRAZY THEORY is better 'n yours. And, please DUers, remember, I made this theory up out of whole cloth for fun. Don't start a rumor, please, please. This is just for laughs.

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Hip_about_time Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:07 PM
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7. well we know that...


Poppy funded the creation of Al Qeada through the CIA AND has investment interests in common with the Bin Ladens,

The right has been cheering/ predicting a west coast terror attack since 9/11

The FBI did have such a warning,

The wildfires in Greece were set in just this manner.

So it really is not that far out of an idea even though it is coming from Fox/

Actually it seems Al Qeada and our corporate theocratic right ALWAYS seem to benefit from the same scams so why wouldn't they set fires and then get on TV screaming about how we are at war with Terra?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:57 PM
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19. How many members of Al Qaeda do you think are hiding in sunny California?
The lifestyle here is not conducive to religious fanaticism. Normally, life is good here. Californians have better things to do than set fires for the most part. Actually, the argument that some depressed homeowner set fire to a house near foreclosure is the most believable explanation for the fire known to have been set by arson at this time. Another believable explanation is that some development company faced with the prospect of bankruptcy due to overpriced houses that will not move in this market set the fires or caused them to be set. Some insane folk may have set the fires also. I would not completely rule out Al Qaeda, but it is not the most likely culprit for the fire or those fires caused by arson. Of course, it's all conjecture at this point. But, if Fox news can enjoy exercising its imagination, so can I. Frankly, considering the fact that the Bush administration has used every situation and every government office and every power it has to grab still more power for the right wing of the Republican Party, I probably would not believe any claim by anyone from any agency controlled by Bush's administration that these fires were set by Al Qaeda. I have utterly no confidence in a word that comes out of a mouth of anyone associated with George Bush. And I say that with sadness in my heart, not malice I would so like to be able to trust my government. I so wish we had a government we could trust.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:14 PM
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8. there are reports that a home was raided in OC
In conjunction with the fires up in OC. I will bet on a white male, loner, with ties to fire community.

But what the hell, I'm sure this guy has heard of al qeada so the link will be made.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:23 PM
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9. I have it on good authority
Al Qeada blew up the levees in New Orleans.
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:28 PM
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10. You mean the Democrats didn't do it!!!! ;) n/t
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:44 PM
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11. You mean Al Qaeda is to blame for global warming? They put fossil fuels under the ground
and forced us at gun point to use them in order to fund their terra-ist agenda?

Fiendish!

:rofl:
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 03:44 PM
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12. Crawl on Cavuto says "Environmentalists caused fires."
This all according to "heck-of-a-job Brownie". Claims because the tree huggers wouldn't let them cut down all the brush, this is what happened.:argh:
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 06:17 PM
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14. Hmm
The just spent months clearing brush around the area I live. They could take out everything except for Oak Trees. Fire still ripped thought the area, everything got burned, except for the Oak Trees.
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monktonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 04:39 PM
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13. Or maybe it was the MINUTEMEN?
Figuring they could drive out any illegals hiding in the bushes.
Afterwards, without the ground cover, it would be easier to spot them
coming over the boarder.
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rcsl1998 Donating Member (501 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 06:36 PM
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15. Let's Not Forget...
...al Qeada translated to english is 'the base' - Draw your own conclusions...
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FlaxieB Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 06:47 PM
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16. Build and buy homes in a fire zone: What do you expect?
The sacrifice for beauty, money and the displacement of animals from their natural habitats over common sense and family safety. Al Qaeda didn't start these fires and burn these homes, old fashioned greed and stupidity did.:wow:
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 08:52 PM
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20. most of the new developments are built with buffer zones
A ten yard between the houses and the brush that hinders the
fire.  This is why so many homes in OC were listed as in
danger but not lost.  The homes in OC that were lost tended to
be older homes in very rural communities.  The same thing you
would find anywhere.  Now I have heard, but not confirmed,
that many of the Eastern San Diego County developments did not
have a buffer zone.  If that is the case it was very foolish. 


That being said, I couls say the shouldn't build homes in New
Orleans, parts of Florida, within a few hundred miles of a
volcano, in the midwest, Southern TX, on and on.


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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:06 PM
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17. Heard on the radio that an arson arrest has been made in SoCal
Will look for link.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 07:24 PM
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18. You know AQ killed Jesus Christ, our lord and savior....
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:00 PM
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21. Fox viewers are just soooooo fucking easy.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:02 PM
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22. You know it had to be Doocy.
THE DEUCE
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:45 AM
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24. I think you mean "Douchie". The guy with an IQ the same as my shoe size.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 10:47 AM by pattmarty
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 11:15 PM
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23. I'm more tempted to think that it was an Al Bundy and not
Al Qaeda
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