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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:50 PM
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Hillary Clinton on Fifth Anniversary of Senator Paul Wellstone’s Death

Statement of Hillary Clinton on Fifth Anniversary of Senator Paul Wellstone’s Death

“Today we remember Paul Wellstone with a heavy heart and a hopeful spirit. A man of conviction and conscience, Paul was a champion of the disadvantaged and the voiceless.

“We also remember Paul’s wife, Sheila, their daughter Marcia, and the two pilots and three staff who lost their lives five years ago in that tragic crash.

“At times a lone voice on the floor of the Senate, even those that adamantly disagreed with Paul had great respect for him. From championing mental health coverage to his principled stand against the war in Iraq, Paul was beholden to no one but the people of Minnesota.

“As we strive to live up to his standard of public service and fulfill his vision for a more just and equitable nation, Paul’s work continues on.”

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:54 PM
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1. And we also remember those RW bastards who called the memorial a political rally.
Here's Al Franken, hopefully a successor to Wellstone's legacy, on that shameful display



Al Franken


Reflections on the Wellstone Memorial and the King Funeral

Posted February 11, 2006 | 01:19 AM (EST)

I think a little more perspective is needed when addressing the comparison that right-wing bloggers and now some mainstream journalists (Howard Kurtz) have been making between the Wellstone Memorial and the Coretta Scott King Funeral.


To this day, there are still a lot of people, including Democrats, who've bought the right wing line on the Wellstone Memorial. Specifically, that it was a cynical, premeditated political event that included endless booing of Republican politicians who came to pay their respects to their fallen colleague. I wrote a pretty detailed account of the Wellstone Memorial in my book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, and nothing could be further from the truth. I did write that "reasonable people of good will were genuinely offended." The memorial was raucous and a couple of speakers said some things that were inappropriate - basically, let's win this (upcoming Senate) election for Paul.

There were also honest Republicans of good will, including Jim Ramstad - the Congressman from the Minneapolis suburban district I grew up in - who acted like human beings and cut the speakers who offended (Rick Kahn and, to a lesser degree, Mark Wellstone) a little slack because they understood that Rick had lost six very close friends and Mark had lost his father, mother, and sister.

The chapter was mainly about how cynically Republicans used the memorial politically as they complained that the Democrats had used it politically. And how the mainstream media, many of whom had neither attended the memorial nor seen it on TV, bought into the Republican spin.

Mainly, there was a lot of lying. Rush Limbaugh claimed that the audience was "planted," when, in fact, Twin Cities' radio and TV had to tell people to stay away because Williams Arena was jammed to capacity three hours before the Memorial was scheduled to begin. Thousands were crowded into an overflow gym to watch on a screen and thousands watched outside on a cold, late October night.

A pained Limbaugh asked his audience the day after the memorial: "Where was the grief? Where were the tears? Where was the memorial service? There wasn't any of this!"

This was a lie. I was there. Along with everyone else, I cried, I laughed, I cheered. It was, to my mind, a beautiful four-hour memorial.

I didn't boo. Neither did 22,800 of the some 23,000 people there. This has been a much discussed, much lied about aspect of the memorial. A number of Republicans, like Peggy Noonan and Weekly Standard writer Chris Caldwell claimed that 20,000 people had booed Trent Lott. (Caldwell claimed that 20,000 people booed a whole litany of people who weren't booed at all.) We'll never get an actual count - but I'd say about two hundred people booed Trent Lott when his face came on the Jumbotron. This was about a minute after 23,000 people cheered for Bill Clinton when his face appeared on the Jumbotron.

The Jumbotron was carrying the C-SPAN feed, and unless you were watching live, you almost certainly have never seen the moment that Trent Lott was booed. That's because none of the cable news shows repeated it. That's because you can't hear him being booed. And that's because so few people booed him. Also, I swear, it was a good-natured "kill the umpire" boo, (and Lott actually grinned) but I could never prove that. What I have proven is that you couldn't hear the boos on TV because on my book-on-tape I played the audio of the C-SPAN video to compare the 23,000 cheering for Clinton with the smattering of boos for Lott, and you CANNOT hear the boos.

Caldwell, who never saw the memorial, also wrote that there was almost no mention of the others who died on the plane. That was complete bull. There were beautiful eulogies for Will, Tom, and Mary.

Kellyanne (Fitzpatrick) Conway went on TV the day after the memorial and told a nationwide audience that the Jumbotron instructed the crowd "when to cheer and when to jeer." (The speeches were close-captioned and would indicate when there was LAUGHTER and APPLAUSE.)

Even though the words on the closed captioning followed the speaker's words by five or so seconds and were often misspelled, Sara Janecek, a Minnesota Republican lobbyist, said the speeches on the Jumbotron were proof that the speeches had been written and vetted by the cynically politically motivated Democrat who ran the event. Actually, the people who spoke at the Wellstone memorial were all chosen by the families of those who died. No one's speech was vetted. The Wellstone people had all spent the previous five days going to funerals. It never occurred to them to vet the speeches. The irony is that because they weren't thinking politically, they opened themselves to being accused of staging a political event..

It was the Republicans that tried to cheapen Paul Wellstone's life by dishonoring his death. It was the right-wing media, not the friends and family who spoke at the memorial or the people who came to it, that seized an opportunity to use a tragedy for political gain.

Now to the King funeral, which I did not see in its entirety.

Coretta Scott King was 78 when she died. Her death followed a long illness and was not a big shock. Her family and friends had had time to prepare for her death and had not lost five other friends and/or family members in a tragic plane crash.

Four presidents spoke. One of them, Jimmy Carter, made a passing reference to the fact that Martin and Coretta King had been the victims of domestic wiretapping by the government. Was it a shot at President George W. Bush, who was sitting right behind Carter? Probably. Was that inappropriate? Maybe.

Would Coretta Scott King have enjoyed the moment? I don't know. You know who would have a better idea than me? Jimmy Carter. He knew Mrs. King. Those who are currently complaining - most of whom claim to be offended on her behalf - didn't know her at all.

Coretta Scott King was a political woman. Most of those complaining on her behalf are against everything she stood for. In her later years she spoke passionately on behalf of affirmative action. Should her family have been offended that President Bush didn't mention this and apologize for it? Should they have been offended that the first President Bush didn't mention that he had campaigned for Congress in 1964 against the 1964 Civil Rights Bill and didn't apologize for that?

I don't think so. I think they were happy the two Bush Presidents showed up and paid their respects. I think they were also happy that Carter mentioned the wiretaps and that Joseph Lowery mentioned that there had been no WMD's in Iraq. Because that's probably what their mother would have wanted.

But I don't know. You'd have to ask them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-franken/reflections-on-the-wellst_b_15459.html

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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:01 PM
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2. Maybe we ought to figure out exactly why that plane crashed
Or why only Bush critics receive US weapons grade anthrax in the mail.

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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:05 PM
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3. Bad piloting.
The co-pilot was regarded by his peers as a bad one (he had been fired twice for incompetence). The captain had a history of safety violations and near-accidents, and his friends were urging him to retire. They failed to maintain minimum airspeed, stalled, and crashed. There's nothing else in there.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:53 PM
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6. Boy -- "They" sure jumped on this one in a hurry.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 06:54 PM by JMDEM
Snuff out those conspiracy theories before they get started. Thanks Mr. 36 post expert.

Interesting icon too -- HAL's all-seeing eye.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:07 PM
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7. If they disagree with you,
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 07:08 PM by Basileus Basileon
they're probably in on it!

(I'm surprised you didn't go for my name, too. "Emperor of Emperors?" Totally in on the New World Order.)
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:09 PM
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8. Nothing like plain open sight
To hide the truth, I guess.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:45 PM
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12. So then explain why the plane burned from about 11Am Central time
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 10:46 PM by truedelphi
Till 5:30 Pm.

A long time for a plane of its size.

Not my opinion but that of someone I know with decades of piloting experience.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:37 AM
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16. I'll defer to the NTSB on the specifics,
Edited on Fri Oct-26-07 12:38 AM by Basileus Basileon
but that doesn't really make sense. What kind of tampering would cause a plane to burn for longer than it can actually burn? Do you have any links to suggest that it actually burned for longer than it should burn?

And if it were a bomb or something of the sort, why did the final two radar readings on the plane show it slowly dropping to stall velocity--exactly as it does with an careless pilot who stops paying attention to his airspeed? Did they bribe the pilots to commit suicide and take Wellstone with them?
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:29 PM
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17. Are you aware that the NTSB has taken some of its personnel from that of the CIA?
And the FAA is in the same loop.

Yes, the official story is that Wellstone had two crappy pilots, neither one of them able to
override a crappy decision of the other. Not any decision, but a decision occurring as the plane was about to land. (You'd think that one of the two pilots would be alert at such a time.) Both of them brain dead at precisely the same moment.

How likely is that?

My gut feeling is that the scenario fits into EMF alterations - an EMF pulse that disabled the plane's electronics. We already have EMF pulsing decvices to interfere with ggetaway cars that are running from the police. At the time that the plane went down, people in the area near the crash reported anomalies that included the garage doors on one house going up and down (This takes a lot of EMF)

Are you aware that the bodies of all aboard were left in the burning plane?

THe NTSB report does not address the fact that the plane burned for so long.

It does not address the fact that no efforts were made to stop the fire (Minnesota communities have helicopters equipped with fire fighting gear just like other communities across our land.) Rather the plane burned until there was no way to see what had brought the plane down.

The NTSB report does not explain why the bodies were not recovered until the next morning. If it had been Cheney or Bush's plane that went down - can you even imagine officials leaving the bodies of all aboard in the woods overnight?

Also, just two weeks prior to the event, there had been a warning that "chatter" was indicating that terrorists weer going to attempt to take out a Senator.

Yet within a few hours, long before any NTSB report, this crash was deemed to definitely "not be" a terrorist sponsored event.

No I have no proof - but there are a lot of things that do not add up on this.





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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:25 AM
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14. If they were both so bad, why were they allowed to fly this airplane?
What could be a better way to cover up foul play than to purposely choose incompetents to pilot the plane?

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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:34 AM
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15. Believe it or not,
not all air-taxi services have the high standards that United Airlines or American Airlines have. Both of them were licensed pilots, and that's all that company wanted. The co-pilot, hell, he was fired from his last two jobs; it's not like nobody had ever noticed he was a crap pilot.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:31 PM
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18. There were witnesses who came forward who stated that neither of these pilots were bad.
But were actually quite good.
And of course, the pilots were both dead - they couldn't defend themselves.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:39 PM
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19. The smear of the pilots started as soon as it became clear the weather story wouldn't work
Hey, and don't forget, the copilot had attended the same flight school in Eagan, MN that Mosausi (I know that's not spelled right) did and at the same time. I was suspicious of the crash from the start, but when that little tidbit was repeated, I knew something was being covered up.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:43 PM
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21. Have you heard the tidbit that the FBI agents showed up
At the Eveleth airport in less time than it would take to come from the home office in Minneapolis -as though they started out from Minneapolis before the plane even went down?

YOur tidbit is JUICY.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 01:33 PM
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22. I've heard that about the FBI
Have you read "American Assassination - the Strange Death of Senator Paul Wellstone"? The authors are James Fetzer and Four Arrows. Fetzer was professor at the University of Minnesota at Duluth. I found the book at Barnes and Noble and I imagine it can be ordered on line.

BTW, my tidbit about the flight school was reported by the MSM like it meant something.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:06 PM
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4. I was there too and it was nothing like the reported event..
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 05:08 PM by MnFats
...
The scandal amounted to this: a guy asked Cong. Jim Ramstad, a loyal middle of the road Republican, to work to win the election for Paul.
People around me looked at each other, smiled and said 'yeah, like that's going to happen.' and then things went on.
It was a wonderful, emotional tribute (to my favorite politician, ever).

When it was over I got out of the arena quickly and into my car in its secret parking place across the street and a few foosteps from Williams.
The event had been over for about six minutes when I turned the key.

The radio Talking Heads were ALREADY beefing about what a shameless show it had been.

I am telling you: if ANYONE came with a script in hand, it was the right-wingers and their radio stooges.

I wish every one of you reading this could have seen the whole thing ---- ALL of it. You would be as furious as I am at the way THEY treated Paul.

Well, my heart is pounding now just recalling what happened so i believe I will stop...


Long Live Paul Wellstone!
WE love you, Paul!
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:21 PM
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5. "Paul was a champion of the disadvantaged and the voiceless."
Sen Wellstone was the finest kind.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:57 PM
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9. Hillary's not fit to shine Wellstone's shoes
Wellstone didn't pal around with Murdoch or Blackwater PR flacks.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:18 PM
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10. Completely agreed.
It's mildly aggravating that the Great Triangulator would give a speech praising Wellstone's commitment to fighting no matter the odds.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:20 PM
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11. Wellstone was a great man...a very warm and friendly man...
Didn't hate anyone, some of his best friends were his bitterest opponents on the issues...

He was class all the way...

Ironic he would attract your adulation...
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:48 PM
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13. Plus Wellstone understood the total implications of the IWR
And when told by Cheney that he better change his mind, or else, he still didn't.

So the "or else" took care of his pig-hjeadedness. ANd prevented him from keeping his Senate Seat
(And from a whole slew of other things, like living to a ripe old age)
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:42 PM
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20. And he voted against the IWR even though he was told it would cost him the election
He was the only senator up for reelection to vote against it.

Perhaps he knew something Hillary didn't.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 04:28 PM
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23. and the interesting thing is, .....he would have won...
...in both his senate victories, it went to the wire....everybody said he was doomed and then....he clinched it.
the incumbent, Rudy Boschwitz, helped with his fuckups in the last week of the campaign, I grant you
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RebelSansCause Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 07:09 PM
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24. Hillary is slime compared to Wellstone
he was a man of the people, someone who cared about each person. aside from dennis i have not been so pleased with a politician since his passing. i know not the exact causes behind his death but i do know that nice guys do indeed apparently finish last. how horrid, that the best of the lot would be the one to die so tragically and suddenly. always remember Paul Wellstone.
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