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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 02:23 AM
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Mukasey Must be BLOCKED!
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 02:28 AM by Vyan
During the past weeks the confirmation hearing for Attorney General nominee Micheal Mukasey have shed important light on exactly what kind of job he just might do in protecting the American people and defending the Constitution of the United States. Unfortunately, the answer to that question has not been very comforting.

From Human Rights Watch:

(Washington, DC, October 18, 2007) – Attorney general nominee Michael Mukasey mischaracterized US obligations on torture, wrongly suggesting that so-called “unlawful combatants” in US custody are not entitled to the humane treatment protections of the Geneva Conventions, Human Rights Watch said today. This view has been squarely rejected by the Supreme Court and should be disavowed by Mukasey as well.

During confirmation hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senator Richard Durbin (D-Illinois) asked whether Mukasey agreed with the US government’s top military lawyers, who have stated that interrogation techniques such as “waterboarding” (mock drowning), the use of dogs, painful stress positions, and mock executions all violate the humane treatment requirements of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. Mukasey replied that the military lawyers’ opinions, while relevant for conflicts “in the past,” carry less weight when dealing with “unlawful combatants” today. He then went on to suggest that the humane treatment standards of Common Article 3 do not apply to interrogations of “unlawful combatants.”
Mukasey's statements to Congress on the issue of the Geneva Conventions are grossly incorrect. Last year in a 5-3 decision the Supreme Court established that Geneva does apply to so-called "Enemy Combatants." In making this statement Mukasey betray a common deceit of the right, in their argument that "Geneva doesn't apply" simply because al Qeada does not wear uniforms or insignia - they simultaneously admit that America may very well have commited "grave breaches" of Geneva in their treatment. Breaches severe enough to subject Administration Officials to War Crimes prosecution.

Further the Geneva Conventions, which under the establishment clause is considered equal to our Constitution and Laws, contains a catch-all clause which states that any combatant whose status remains "undetermined" is to be treated as fully covered by the conventions until a tribunal to determine their status has been completed.

Geneva Article 5:

Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal
The question of whether such breaches have or hadn't occured was answered succintly when it was revealed that the CIA had finally banned Waterboarding last year - in the process admitting that they'd been doing it all along.

The controversial interrogation technique known as water-boarding, in which a suspect has water poured over his mouth and nose to stimulate a drowning reflex, has been banned by CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden, current and former CIA officials tell ABCNews.com.

The officials say Hayden made the decision at the recommendation of his deputy, Steve Kappes, and received approval from the White House to remove water-boarding from the list of approved interrogation techniques first authorized by a presidential finding in 2002.

Since 2002 this practice has been standard operation proceedure for the CIA Detention program, and although it has been since halted - several other "techniques" which were specifically authorized by the President which may be similarly egregious apparently remain in use. The question of weather any of this is "torture" or not is rather easy to determine, all we have to do is look at who has been historically using these techniques.

Waterboarding Table used by the Khmer Rouge



Artist Rendition of Waterboarding techniques used in the Chad.




This kind of practice continues to the day around the globe, and not just to "enemy combatants" but to political dissenters and dissidents.

Across the globe, men and women are pushing for greater personal and political freedom and for the adoption of democratic institutions. They are striving to secure what President Bush calls "the non-negotiable demands of human dignity."

Despite personal risk and against great odds, courageous individuals and nongovernmental groups expose human rights abuses. They seek to protect the rights of ethnic and religious minorities, workers, and women, and to stop the trafficking in human beings. They work to build vibrant civil societies, ensure free and fair elections, and establish accountable, law-based democracies.

These impatient patriots are redefining the limitations of what was previously thought to be possible. Indeed, in the span of a few generations freedom has spread across the developing world, communist dictatorships have collapsed, and new democracies have risen. The rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights are protected more fully and by more countries than ever before.

This noble work continues - but it is not yet complete and it faces determined opponents. Not surprisingly, those who feel threatened by democratic change resist those who advocate and act for reform. Over the past year, we have seen attempts to harass and intimidate human rights defenders and civil society organizations and to restrict or shut down their activities. Unjust laws have been wielded as political weapons against those with independent views. There also have been attempts to silence dissenting voices by extralegal means.

Whenever non-governmental organizations and other human rights defenders are under siege, freedom and democracy are undermined. The world's democracies must defend the defenders. That is one of the primary missions of our diplomacy today, and we hope that the Department of State's County Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2006 will help to further this effort. With these thoughts, I hereby submit these reports to the United States Congress.

Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of State 2007

Would that our own Department of State were to employ such high standards of Human Rights in our own country? Instead we hear the oft repeated, and well debunked, refain that "America does not Torture." Amnesty Internationalcertainly isn't convinced.

(Washington, DC) - Larry Cox, Amnesty International USA's executive director, issued the following statement in response to President Bush's statement earlier today that the United States does not torture people:

"The Bush administration continues to astonish. Its own State Department has labeled waterboarding torture when it applies to other countries. Yet in President Bush's legal wonderland, waterboarding is renamed an enhanced interrogation technique. President Bush continues to assert that his administration is complying with U.S. and international law, yet every available fact has proven the contrary. Torture by any other name is still torture - a new name does not make the practice acceptable or even palatable."

Contrast what Amnesty International says about other forms of Mock Execution - which is what Waterboard truly is - when it's in used in countries such as Montenego.
In May, following a 2005 visit to Serbia and Montenegro, the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture reported that it had received numerous allegations of torture and ill-treatment of detainees by police officers. The majority of cases reportedly occurred at the time of arrest or during the first hours of detention at police stations, apparently to extract confessions.

Abuses reported included a mock execution in which a gun was placed in a detainee's mouth. Baseball bats and garden tools associated with reports of ill-treatment were found in Bar and Budva police stations.

• On 9 September, 17 men of ethnic Albanian origin, including three US citizens, were arrested and reportedly racially abused, ill-treated and, in some cases, tortured by police officers, during arrest, in court and at Podgorica police station. The men were transferred to Spuû prison on 12 September and 14 of them remained in detention at the end of the year. On 7 December, 18 men, including five US citizens, were indicted for conspiracy, "terrorism" and armed insurrection. An internal investigation was opened into complaints of ill-treatment by the police lodged on behalf of seven of the men.

And the U.S. State Deptartment's view of these incidents?

According to some of those involved, police beat citizens and foreigners whom they detained in the course of a September 9 raid in Tuzi. An internal police investigation ended inconclusively. Authorities stated that the raid, which took place a day before Assembly elections, foiled a terrorist plot and reported they had found a large weapons stash and plans to attack government buildings. Some opponents of the government asserted that the raid was politically motivated (those apprehended were associated with an Albanian nationalist organization).

The investigation by the minister of interior and supreme state prosecutor into police beatings of prisoners in the main penitentiary in September 2005 concluded that police did not exceed their authority. There was no public reaction to the report's conclusion, although after the raid several prisoners were sent to the hospital with severe injuries.
Interesting that the Rice State Dept seems to take the police side of the argument completely at face value, even when the "foreigners" allegedly detaineed were American. People went to the hospital, but there weren't any "beatings". Right.

What about in Angola? Amnesty International's version of events.
The government said that fighting had ended in Cabinda, an Angolan enclave situated between the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and the Republic of the Congo. However, an estimated 30,000 government soldiers reportedly maintained a repressive presence, detaining and assaulting people suspected of supporting the Front for the Liberation of the Cabinda Enclave (Frente de Libertação do Enclave de Cabinda, FLEC), looting goods and crops, and causing villagers to flee to other areas.

Human rights workers reported that soldiers based in Nkuto, Buco-Zau municipality, frequently detained people suspected of supporting FLEC. More than 60 women were reportedly briefly held in January and accused of taking food to FLEC. Some were beaten. Mateus Bulo, aged 66, and his daughter were among a group of people arrested in May. Mateus Bulo was subjected to a mock execution, then he and his daughter were both beaten with sticks before being allowed to return to their fields.
And State's?

Domestic media and local human rights activists reported cases of police resorting to excessive force, including unlawful killings. In February the independent press reported that a youth suspected of gang activity was killed in a Luanda precinct. Police largely viewed extrajudicial killings as an alternative to relying on the country's ineffective judicial system. In May citizens reported that the body of a pregnant woman was discovered after her arrest by national police in Luanda Norte. These cases were reportedly still under investigation at year's end; however, national authorities were generally reluctant to disclose investigation results. In June human rights activists reported that police "accidentally killed" a disabled man during an abusive interrogation; the responsible officers were dismissed from the national police the same month.

A Memorandum of Understanding for Peace and Reconciliation for Cabinda province, signed on August 1, largely brought an end to the insurgency in the province. As a result of this and an FAA policy of cooperation rather than repression, there was only one report during the year, in November, of an unlawful killing in Cabinda that may be linked to FAA soldiers. The case remained under investigation by both military and civil authorities. There were also confirmed reports of 12 small clashes in the enclave between the FAA and the Front for the Liberation of the Enclave of Cabinda (FLEC) in the period immediately surrounding the signing of the memorandum. Four civilians were reportedly killed in these clashes between FLEC soldiers and FAA forces. Since early September there were no confirmed reports of armed conflict.

Again, this report is similar but again downplays the level and intensity of human rights violations taking place as a result of authoritarian abuse, and belies all of Rice's flowery rhetoric about our enduring support for those allegedly "non-negotiable demands of human dignity."

These are clearly extreme examples, but honestly they aren't all that more extreme than similar events which have occured in the U.S. for deacdes on the streets of L.A., Detroit, Philadelphia and during Rudy Giuliani's stint as mayor of New York.

The naked duplicity and failure of the United States to lead in this area sends a very wrong message to those who would chose to hold on to the reins of power by force, intimidation and oppression. It tells them not that their time is drawing to close - but rather, that the time for brutality is truly at hand. The one nation with the greatest claim as a supporter of democracy and freedom has apparently joined the other team.
We may claim to support Liberty, but that simply isn't possible when you've been using the same "enhanced" techniques as the Khmer Rouge.

We can not set an example for the world, while playing semantic games with who is or isn't protected by the UNIVERSAL DECLARATION of Human Rights. If Universal doesn't mean Universal, if all doesn't mean ALL, then no one is truly covered.

And if the man who would seek to become the Top Law Enforcement Officer of the most powerful nation on the earth doesn't know the law, then he certainly should not be handed the reins of power. It's Non-Negotiable.

Vyan
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 02:26 AM
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1. don't count on it. Shummer is the guy who told bush he would be acceptable /nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 02:30 AM
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2. For the love of God - they need to be shown a fucking video of waterboarding
taking place. I don't see how ANYONE could entertain the notion it's not torture.

I bet a chunk of the people have no idea what it entails.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 02:56 AM
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3. It involves
making someone feel like they are about to DIE, and continuing that feeling for as long as they want. It's a form a similuted Murder.

Under Geneva the following is Prohibited.

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.


Our rendition and detainee policies violate all the above.

Vyan

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 03:32 AM
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4. They can still talk themselves into believing it's not torture. I really do think
they need to SEE it, so it will affect them in a human way, as opposed to an intellectual way.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 08:30 AM
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6. Maybe they need to FEEL it, not just SEE it.
I might be serious about that.

Cops have to feel what it's like to be tased; new army recruits have to go experience tear gas in the gas chamber; if waterboarding is a valid technique and not "cruel treatment" prohibited by the Geneva Convention, then why shouldn't those who might order it have to first experience what they are ordering?
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 01:28 PM
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10. Absolutely! Great idea!
Everybody who opens their mouth to say waterboarding is OK should receive this invitation.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 05:44 AM
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5. this is a really great post
up until last week, I was convinced that they should confirm Mukasey to get Keisler the fuck out. Now, I don't see that it matters. Have you sent this post to Leahy and others on the JC? If not, do.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 12:38 PM
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8. They are all loyal chimpies.
He cannot nominate anyone of value, because it would mean his ass.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 01:04 PM
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9. Actually, Mukasey does not have the long standing ties
to bushco that Keisler, a full fledged BFEE member, does.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 10:30 AM
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7. K&R!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 02:31 PM
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11. It's non-negotiable
if the man who would seek to become the Top Law Enforcement Officer of the most powerful nation on the earth doesn't know the law.

Beautifully done.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 05:55 PM
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12. This deserves
a :kick:
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:17 PM
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13. He must be blocked...
..but he won't be. Count on the Dems rolling over because that is what they do.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:33 PM
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14. Don't hold your breath. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:35 PM
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15. He can not tell Congress that waterboarding is torture!!! If he did and got confirmed, then
he would have to prosecute those that water boarded and approved it.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 06:39 PM
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16. It is easy to tell when the Senate won't fight confirmation. When the nominee serves
up a soft ball and the Senate ignores it, you know they want to confirm. In this case Mukasey said he wasn't familiar with the technique of water boarding. A clear lie that should have been exploited. The Democrats ignored it and pretended it never happened. It is clear they are just pretending to be tough on him. They will confirm him.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-28-07 11:59 PM
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17. I don't agree with the guys appointment but in the end
whats it matter now, the time to stand firm was on alito and roberts but thats to late and now we have to live with them for decades to come in office.
Not appointing the guy though will provide a rallying point however small for the right.
Lets face it though a new AG will do nothing as the president has them under his thumb and Bush and his people like Rove and Cheney will never pay for what they did and I bet a bunch of pardons are waiting right now in the whitehouse with their name on it just waiting for the shrub to sign off on them during the last few days or weeks of his administration.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 01:18 AM
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18. Fuck the right.
They're going to have their panties in a wad over one thing or another anyway, so let it be about this guy. He claims he doesn't know what waterboarding is? Bullshit. What, has he been living in a treehouse for the past couple of years? He doesn't know if it's torture or not? Bullshit. This guy needs to be blocked.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 03:05 AM
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19. He's about the best we'll get out of Bush, and much better than Keisler
Who is the Acting AG.

This guy will be on the job for a little more than a year, and I am not all that concerned about his confirmation.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-29-07 06:00 AM
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20. That's where I was until last week.
Keisler is so bad that I felt confirming Mukasey was the best option of two really bad ones. Now I think he should be blocked. It's not as if the Senate has the opportunity to vote on Keisler and they do on Mukasey. The Senate should not confirm anyone who is so patently unfit to serve.
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