You successfully engage bigots with the army, court orders and law...

[IndianaJones]

not by reaching out and discussing their twisted world view.

[calteacherguy]

1. Sorry, that's not the way it works in America.

Perhaps you should move to another country. You apparently don't like our constitution here.

[ruggerson]

2. uh, that's exactly how we desegregated the schools

n/t

[calteacherguy]

3. That isn't the topic. nt

[ruggerson]

5. bigots are bigots

whether they're bigoted against blacks or gays and lesbians.

[calteacherguy]

7. Agreed. What's your point? nt

[ruggerson]

11. That your post #1 couldn't be more dead wrong

[IndianaJones]

4. yeah...slavery ended with peaceful discourse with racists. lol. nt.

[calteacherguy]

6. When did slavery become the topic? nt

[IndianaJones]

8. the topic is engaging bigots with the army and the law...your argument...

minorities should leave. we understand.

[calteacherguy]

9. What are you smoking tonight? You seem to be hallucinating posts. nt

[IndianaJones]

13. no...your message is clear. nt.

[jonnyblitz]

45. I don't know why you even bother responding to that person.

up is down, black is white, war is peace, freedom is slavery, etc, etc. :crazy: :crazy:

[sandnsea]

10. That didn't end racism

It took another 100 years to pass desegregation and voting rights laws. And it's now almost 50 years later and we've still got nooses hanging from trees. You absolutely have to talk about bigotry to bigots in order to change it.

[IndianaJones]

12. I'll take the rights. I don't care if bigots don't like it. nt.

[sandnsea]

15. Laws don't make you less dead

Why not support the rights and converting the bigots.

[IndianaJones]

17. Bigots aren't changed by conversion. They change on their own or they fade away and die out. nt.

[sandnsea]

19. Why did you say that

You know people don't just wake up one day and magically have a different view. So why'd you say it?

[IndianaJones]

20. Who said it takes a day? It may take a lifetime...or it may never happen. I don't care.

Put laws in place and they can pound sand.

[sandnsea]

21. A lifetime of being confronted with a different view

Until they do change, they can be a threat to your very life. Why would you not want to keep talking to them? There are a lot of men out there who think they own women. Laws aren't near enough. Much easier to keep educating and keep talking.

[More Than A Feeling]

24. Good luck changing these minds:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3657177&mesg_id=3657177

This is the face of hate, and it will not change, it will only die out. They've got god on their side, dontcha know?

[sandnsea]

25. Anything's possible

Besides, I think most of that kind of junk is posted by disruptive jerks who get a kick out of infuriating other people.

[More Than A Feeling]

26. The quotes aren't from here.

They are from a Christian news site with commenting on the articles. These are the anti-gay evangelicals whose minds you propose to change, talking in their own "home" so to speak.

[sandnsea]

29. Yes I know that

And just like there are disrupters who post inflammatory bullshit here, there are undoubtedly disrupters who post inflammatory bullshit on other boards.

[More Than A Feeling]

30. They aren't disruptors, they are regulars.

I've been on that site for quite some time, speaking out for reason and liberalism. I know those names, and their views are in the majority there.

[sandnsea]

31. Newsflash

Some "regulars" here are also disruptors.

[More Than A Feeling]

33. If anything, it is I who would be seen as the disruptor there.

At least one person there already thinks I'm a troll employed by the site to stir things up.

But if you don't believe me, go on there yourself. Read the comments, and count the number of anti-gay posters versus the number of pro-gay posters.

[sandnsea]

41. There's more than one kind of disruptor n/t

[Kagemusha]

14. So you want to suppress evangelical Blacks... with the Army...

What part of this is supposed to appeal to me?

[IndianaJones]

16. your assumption is that all evangelical blacks are bigots? wow. nt.

[Kagemusha]

23. No, my assumption is that all black bigots are assumed (here) to be evangelicals.

I don't care if you want to argue I'm wrong but that's the clear impression. When you say, you don't engage these people with politics, you engage them with the Army, with court orders, and the Law, I assume that "these people" are evangelical Blacks. Or at least in the context of the broader discussion, they are blacks, period, and their specific religious persuasion is irrelevant.

So my point is, you want to use the Army to suppress black people in 2007. Wha??? Have you lost your marbles?

[IndianaJones]

27. my post is aimed at bigots of any kind...racists, homophobes, etc...

Obviously the law and judiciary is first. Followed by military if needed, as in the civil rights movement. You injected black evangelicals. Your attempts to paint me as a racist are amusing.

[Basileus Basileon]

28. Yes, it's pretty clear that "you fight bigots with the army, courts, and laws," means

"We must use the Army to suppress black people in 2007."

I'm thinkin' the marbles on the floor mighta come from your noggin.

[IndianaJones]

36. lol. its funny...usually everyone is complaining because I'm too sensitive...

about race issues.

[cboy4]

18. Yes, you must have been reading my mind tonight Indiana...

I completely agree.

It's a shame not all of the candidates are on board with that philosophy.

[IndianaJones]

22. Lots of people seem to think that racists and homophobes should be engaged....

and met halfway.

[cboy4]

32. Yes, you mean the people who are constantly trying to

throw us under the bus.

I know.

[IndianaJones]

34. speaking from the racial minority side, this whole common ground thing...

is a load of crap. The GLBT rights side is the same situation. It will take laws and court orders...not gospel tours and sensitivity training.

[cboy4]

38. Yes Indiana, but maybe you're not a "real" minority.

I mean, you favor suppressing black people.

It must be true because I read it in this thread. LOL

[Cameron27]

37. Reach out and enlighten them is what I've heard.

It's absolutely astonishing what's been said on this board. I've been called 'overly dramatic,' a billiary-bot, and a zealous fanatic and that's just me, I've seen others called worse.

[Capn Sunshine]

35. So Hillary is going to do that and end all predjudice against gays and gayness?

HAR DE HAR HAR.

If you want to live as a don't ask don't tell person, you're supporting the right candidate.
Last I checked Hill was against gay marriage.

You propose sending troops to the courthouse with a court order?
(PS That would be cool, and I'm all for that, but Hillary is the candidate running on a platform of "don't be scared , nothings gonna change"

[Basileus Basileon]

39. Yes, that is clearly exactly what the OP is saying. nt

:eyes:

[IndianaJones]

40. I don't live through that daily hatred. Which is why I don't presume to tell them...

that their outrage is fake, or that they are overreacting, or they should take it easy. I tend to defer to the victims of the bigotry, not the perpetrators.

[LanternWaste]

42. O-k... I guess the next time I visit my B-I-L...

O-k... I guess the next time I visit my B-I-L, I'll bring a court order and a platoon of Marines. God forbid I attempt dialog and try to find common ground...

[IndianaJones]

46. good idea if he is violating the law and denying others their rights. nt.

[Odin2005]

43. The law cannot change what people think, only time can do that.

Evil ideas only die when the people that carry such ideas in their heads die. Fortunately younger Americans such as myself are far less homophobic then previous generations and subconscious racist attitudes are the exception, not the rule.

[IndianaJones]

47. We don't need to change what people think. Thats the beauty. nt.

[jonnyblitz]

44. I seriously doubt anything was "discussed" at Obama's Fundie

Fest, except perhaps "VOTE FOR ME, VOTE FOR MEEEEE and DONATE $$$$$$$$!!11"